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RE: BBW's, Is this something as a society that we shoul... - 5/14/2007 4:35:16 PM

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I thought about putting this in the health and safety area but figured I would get a better response here. I do not wish to offend anyone or have people think that I only envision real woman as 90lb supermodels. As a person who works in the healthcare industry I am appalled that someone could even be more than 100lbs over their ideal body weight let alone think it was something to flaunt. For those of you that belive the term BBW applies to a voluptuous full figured woman I have no problems with you and can understand the application of the term.

I guess I have lit the fire and look forward to your responses

No, obesity should never be encouraged. But then again, neither should smoking, drinking, McDonald's diets, Atkins diets or anything else.

Health should be encouraged. If the hefty mama next door is as healthy as a horse then what difference does it make how much they weigh, as long as they are happy? Being underweight causes just as many problems as being overweight. Look at all those twigs in modelling that are falling over dead as a result of the push to show off their rib cages... As far as I am concerned, it is as big a problem when their ribs stick out further than their tits as it is when the last time they saw their crotch was in 1968.

SK, you lost me on the Atkins..... done properly, it's very healthy.

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RE: BBW's, Is this something as a society that we shoul... - 5/14/2007 7:03:32 PM

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I thought about putting this in the health and safety area but figured I would get a better response here. I do not wish to offend anyone or have people think that I only envision real woman as 90lb supermodels. As a person who works in the healthcare industry I am appalled that someone could even be more than 100lbs over their ideal body weight let alone think it was something to flaunt. For those of you that belive the term BBW applies to a voluptuous full figured woman I have no problems with you and can understand the application of the term.

I guess I have lit the fire and look forward to your responses

No, obesity should never be encouraged. But then again, neither should smoking, drinking, McDonald's diets, Atkins diets or anything else.

Health should be encouraged. If the hefty mama next door is as healthy as a horse then what difference does it make how much they weigh, as long as they are happy? Being underweight causes just as many problems as being overweight. Look at all those twigs in modelling that are falling over dead as a result of the push to show off their rib cages... As far as I am concerned, it is as big a problem when their ribs stick out further than their tits as it is when the last time they saw their crotch was in 1968.

SK, you lost me on the Atkins..... done properly, it's very healthy.

Actually, Atkins is not healthy for everyone (just like every other form of diet we the human race have created)........ It is in fact very dangerous for some people.

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RE: BBW's, Is this something as a society that we shoul... - 5/14/2007 7:42:58 PM

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Fast Reply: Let's see what happens...the OP just looked at my profile under his "other" seeking nick, so let's see if he comes back to this thread as question......should be interesting to see.

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RE: BBW's, Is this something as a society that we shoul... - 5/14/2007 8:07:16 PM

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I personally agree with the gist (sp?) of what the OP said, and so do several other people, so I doubt it will be that interesting...

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RE: BBW's, Is this something as a society that we shoul... - 5/15/2007 1:43:16 PM

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Oh and btw, I'm a fat bitch that breaks all the molds cause I don't have high blood pressure, diabetes, or high cholesterol.

Well, tho I'm not gonna call myself a bitch (fat or other wise...

) I am another big women who does not have hypertension, diabetes, high cholesterol or high tri-glycerides...Some people think I'm beautiful and sexy...others do not. Doesn't matter.
I know who I am.

Just let's not kid ourselves here thinking this thread is about the health of fat people. It's still about looks-ism and anti-fat bigotry. That's all.

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RE: BBW's, Is this something as a society that we shoul... - 5/15/2007 1:52:39 PM

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Some of us cherish and adore BBW regardless of their size. i am one person among many who long to serve such women. You may be particular in what you seek, but it is fair not to criticise others for what colour they may be, what preferences they may have, what shape they are, as these characteristics appeal to many as well. I do not prefer thin women, but i respect them.

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RE: BBW's, Is this something as a society that we shoul... - 5/15/2007 1:54:27 PM

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How can you say Atkins is healthy? i think a low fat diet and exercise works best.

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RE: BBW's, Is this something as a society that we shoul... - 5/15/2007 4:34:20 PM

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I thought about putting this in the health and safety area but figured I would get a better response here. I do not wish to offend anyone or have people think that I only envision real woman as 90lb supermodels. As a person who works in the healthcare industry I am appalled that someone could even be more than 100lbs over their ideal body weight let alone think it was something to flaunt. For those of you that belive the term BBW applies to a voluptuous full figured woman I have no problems with you and can understand the application of the term.

I guess I have lit the fire and look forward to your responses

No, obesity should never be encouraged. But then again, neither should smoking, drinking, McDonald's diets, Atkins diets or anything else.

Health should be encouraged. If the hefty mama next door is as healthy as a horse then what difference does it make how much they weigh, as long as they are happy? Being underweight causes just as many problems as being overweight. Look at all those twigs in modelling that are falling over dead as a result of the push to show off their rib cages... As far as I am concerned, it is as big a problem when their ribs stick out further than their tits as it is when the last time they saw their crotch was in 1968.

SK, you lost me on the Atkins..... done properly, it's very healthy.

Actually, Atkins is not healthy for everyone (just like every other form of diet we the human race have created)........ It is in fact very dangerous for some people.

Such as?

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RE: BBW's, Is this something as a society that we shoul... - 5/15/2007 4:51:36 PM

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How can you say Atkins is healthy? i think a low fat diet and exercise works best.

minnetar

Because I've spent the last 5 months with my nose buried in every sort of book and website, and using my own body as a testing ground.

I have never seen anything so misrepresented in my life as what Dr. Atkins taught (not saying this about you, minnetar).

I've went from 260 pounds to 174.
Fasting blood sugar from 339 to, let's see, my last 30 day average is 84, which is essentialy non-diabetic.
My liver enzymes are, for the first time in over a decade, normal.
My blood pressure from 140ish/100 to 120s/70s.

Cholesterol?

Total cholesterol - should be between 100-199 / mine in December 245, in March 200
Triglycerides - should be under 150 / December was 352, March 96
HDL - should be over 40 / December was 29, March 40
LDL - should be under 100 / December was 146, March 141
VLDL - should be under 40 / wasn't done in December, in March it was 19.

And there are a growing number of scientists and doctors that will tell you that LDL is only bad if it's the small, dense kind, not the larger, fluffy type.

I actually use information from not only Dr. Atkins' books, but ProteinPower Lifeplan, by Drs. Michael and Mary Eades (highly recommended!), and Dr. Bernstein's Diabetes Solution.

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RE: BBW's, Is this something as a society that we shoul... - 5/15/2007 4:54:56 PM

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i am talking about long term consequences. Has that been researched? i don't want anything to happen to you. All i am saying is that other diets have been shown to be healthier and i wish you would do those rather than jeopardize your health. You have your own results. i don't think the results are in based on the long-term consequences of the atkins diet.

sorry for the rant just voicing my concern

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RE: BBW's, Is this something as a society that we shoul... - 5/15/2007 4:57:59 PM

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Forgot to add: I strongly agree about exercise, minnetar. All of the doctors I named above do as well. A couple of knocks on Atkins is that it's "no carbs", and no vegetables, which proves one of two things: the person saying such never read his books, or they're trying to smear him. I've never eaten more vegetables in my life as I do now (broccoli, spinach, salad greens, bellpeppers, celery, squash, cauliflower).

Now, he does restrict fruits, at the beginning two weeks. They have a lot of sugar in them, but he taught that once you get near your goal weight, you can add back most any kind of food, depending on how it affects your individual body. As a diabetic, I don't eat any fruit, or breads, or starches.

"But fruit is good for you", some say. My response is that the benefit I would get from eating it is dwarved by the benefit I get from having excellent blood sugar numbers every day.

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RE: BBW's, Is this something as a society that we shoul... - 5/15/2007 4:58:16 PM

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How can you say Atkins is healthy? i think a low fat diet and exercise works best.

minnetar

Because I've spent the last 5 months with my nose buried in every sort of book and website, and using my own body as a testing ground.

I have never seen anything so misrepresented in my life as what Dr. Atkins taught (not saying this about you, minnetar).

I've went from 260 pounds to 174.
Fasting blood sugar from 339 to, let's see, my last 30 day average is 84, which is essentialy non-diabetic.
My liver enzymes are, for the first time in over a decade, normal.
My blood pressure from 140ish/100 to 120s/70s.

Cholesterol?

Total cholesterol - should be between 100-199 / mine in December 245, in March 200
Triglycerides - should be under 150 / December was 352, March 96
HDL - should be over 40 / December was 29, March 40
LDL - should be under 100 / December was 146, March 141
VLDL - should be under 40 / wasn't done in December, in March it was 19.

And there are a growing number of scientists and doctors that will tell you that LDL is only bad if it's the small, dense kind, not the larger, fluffy type.

I actually use information from not only Dr. Atkins' books, but ProteinPower Lifeplan, by Drs. Michael and Mary Eades (highly recommended!), and Dr. Bernstein's Diabetes Solution.

Level,
In regards to the levels in cholesterol, my levels are terrible and that is why i had my quintuple bypass. i will talk to my cardiologist and trust him on the levels he feels are safe. This isn't something i feel i can handle by doing by research alone but by a professional. lol i think i have proven that with my surgery last summer and this was at age 47. my brother's double was at 37.

minnetar

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RE: BBW's, Is this something as a society that we shoul... - 5/15/2007 5:02:10 PM

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i am talking about long term consequences. Has that been researched? i don't want anything to happen to you. All i am saying is that other diets have been shown to be healthier and i wish you would do those rather than jeopardize your health. You have your own results. i don't think the results are in based on the long-term consequences of the atkins diet.

sorry for the rant just voicing my concern

minnetar

No need to apologize . I do think you'd have a hard time showing any long-term studies proving that low carb is bad for you, or inferior to low fat.

On the other hand, in low carb's defense:

A Review of Diet, Fat, and Cholesterol Research: 25 Points.

http://forum.lowcarber.org/showpost.php?p=472780&postcount=1

http://rjr10036.typepad.com/askdrvernon

http://www.proteinpower.com/drmike

The first link speaks to specifics of low carbing, the other two cover myriad topics, but with lots of low carb science and info.

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RE: BBW's, Is this something as a society that we shoul... - 5/15/2007 5:03:36 PM

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I thought about putting this in the health and safety area but figured I would get a better response here. I do not wish to offend anyone or have people think that I only envision real woman as 90lb supermodels. As a person who works in the healthcare industry I am appalled that someone could even be more than 100lbs over their ideal body weight let alone think it was something to flaunt. For those of you that belive the term BBW applies to a voluptuous full figured woman I have no problems with you and can understand the application of the term.

I guess I have lit the fire and look forward to your responses

No, obesity should never be encouraged. But then again, neither should smoking, drinking, McDonald's diets, Atkins diets or anything else.

Health should be encouraged. If the hefty mama next door is as healthy as a horse then what difference does it make how much they weigh, as long as they are happy? Being underweight causes just as many problems as being overweight. Look at all those twigs in modelling that are falling over dead as a result of the push to show off their rib cages... As far as I am concerned, it is as big a problem when their ribs stick out further than their tits as it is when the last time they saw their crotch was in 1968.

SK, you lost me on the Atkins..... done properly, it's very healthy.

Actually, Atkins is not healthy for everyone (just like every other form of diet we the human race have created)........ It is in fact very dangerous for some people.

Such as?

Such as myself.... I'd rather not disclose all my medical history as I have already done a fair bit in these forums, but my doctor, as well as a nutrionist and I considered a handful of various options and this is one that we concluded would be very bad for me. I am one of the people out there who needs a higher level of carbs than others....

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RE: BBW's, Is this something as a society that we shoul... - 5/15/2007 5:14:40 PM

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How can you say Atkins is healthy? i think a low fat diet and exercise works best.

minnetar

Because I've spent the last 5 months with my nose buried in every sort of book and website, and using my own body as a testing ground.

I have never seen anything so misrepresented in my life as what Dr. Atkins taught (not saying this about you, minnetar).

I've went from 260 pounds to 174.
Fasting blood sugar from 339 to, let's see, my last 30 day average is 84, which is essentialy non-diabetic.
My liver enzymes are, for the first time in over a decade, normal.
My blood pressure from 140ish/100 to 120s/70s.

Cholesterol?

Total cholesterol - should be between 100-199 / mine in December 245, in March 200
Triglycerides - should be under 150 / December was 352, March 96
HDL - should be over 40 / December was 29, March 40
LDL - should be under 100 / December was 146, March 141
VLDL - should be under 40 / wasn't done in December, in March it was 19.

And there are a growing number of scientists and doctors that will tell you that LDL is only bad if it's the small, dense kind, not the larger, fluffy type.

I actually use information from not only Dr. Atkins' books, but ProteinPower Lifeplan, by Drs. Michael and Mary Eades (highly recommended!), and Dr. Bernstein's Diabetes Solution.

Level,
In regards to the levels in cholesterol, my levels are terrible and that is why i had my quintuple bypass. i will talk to my cardiologist and trust him on the levels he feels are safe. This isn't something i feel i can handle by doing by research alone but by a professional. lol i think i have proven that with my surgery last summer and this was at age 47. my brother's double was at 37.

minnetar

Everyone's body is different, of course, but for the large majority of people, low carb nutrition is safe highly effective. As for professionals, each author I mentioned is highly trained; Atkins was a cardiologist himself, and Dr. Bernstein is one of the most respected diabetic specialists in the world. And Atkins always emphasized, no one diet fits all. If what you do works, then that's what matters .

Do you realize that no less an authority than Dr. Michael Debakey stated that at least 50% of all heart patients he has treated have had perfectly normal cholesterol levels?

And that heart disease was nearly unheard of before we began eating margarine, and processed foods? People back then ate a lot of fat, lard, protein, etc, and were far healthier than the average person now.

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RE: BBW's, Is this something as a society that we shoul... - 5/15/2007 5:16:41 PM

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Such as myself.... I'd rather not disclose all my medical history as I have already done a fair bit in these forums, but my doctor, as well as a nutrionist and I considered a handful of various options and this is one that we concluded would be very bad for me. I am one of the people out there who needs a higher level of carbs than others....

Then I hope it works for you, tulipgoose, truly.

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RE: BBW's, Is this something as a society that we shoul... - 5/15/2007 5:22:39 PM

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We can agree to disagree as i have two doctors in my family who advocate low fat (low cholesterol cause of our heart problems) and exercise.

love ya anway lol

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RE: BBW's, Is this something as a society that we shoul... - 5/15/2007 5:25:49 PM

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We can agree to disagree as i have two doctors in my family who advocate low fat (low cholesterol cause of our heart problems) and exercise.

love ya anway lol

minnetar

Deal . And seriously, as I said, not everyone is the same, and I honestly hope your choices help you, my friend.

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RE: BBW's, Is this something as a society that we shoul... - 5/15/2007 5:31:09 PM

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... Please don't evangelize diets, it's just as annoying as evangelizing religion. They don't work the same for everyone, and your conviction based on your own results may or may not translate to anyone else. Even if it is worth it, once you've gotten someone torqued off at yet another Atkins evangelist they'll be disinclined to use it anyway.

Personally I find that if I eat when I'm hungry, and I eat what I'm hungry for, that is the best diet for me. Forcing myself in to a regimen only results in me gaining weight. In my case getting more active, and reducing the stresses in my life is working the best to lose weight.

But that's my own $0.02 worth of experience,

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RE: BBW's, Is this something as a society that we shoul... - 5/15/2007 5:33:12 PM

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i believe my heart disease was caused by both genetics and cholesterol. my father had his first bypass in 82 and found out that what he was doing wasn't working in 88. He changed to a low fat and low cholesterol diet and had his second bypass in 2000. He is now 84. i have seen diet and exercise work for him. i have also seen genetics play a part with high cholesterol in my big brother who had a heart attack and double bypass at 37. i had my quintuple based on high cholesterol. i have seen what has worked for my father based on low fat and low cholesterol and nothing dealing with carbs. i think the jury is still out on whether that has any beneficial health effects. i know alot of my problems are genetic.

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