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RE: BBW's, Is this something as a society that we shoul... - 5/12/2007 4:41:51 PM

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Ach hem.... Hello????

You are a nonentity!!!! LOL

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RE: BBW's, Is this something as a society that we shoul... - 5/12/2007 4:43:32 PM

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Jeez why yell at me? I'm not the government.

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RE: BBW's, Is this something as a society that we shoul... - 5/12/2007 4:46:32 PM

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Pcos or PCos is? Are?

PolyCystic Ovarian Syndrome (now known as Disorder). It's really a hormonal imbalence (massive hormonal imbalence) and one of the symptoms is weight gain for no known reason and incredibly difficult to lose. Obsesity is one of the qualifying symptoms of PCOS. I've read statistics that say that over 50% of women who have PCOS are morbidly obese.

Of course, when you HAVE PCOS the doctors still won't believe that you aren't just sitting at home all day doing nothing and eating bon bons. But that's a rant for a different place altogether.

And yes, PCOS is genetic.

well for whats its worth disorders are not necesarily genetic, and granted those disorders exist but do not apply to the greater majority of obese people. bad habits, (self included even tho i do have thyroid issues). i am not even close to obese but hell i could do to lose a couple. me like most people suffer from bad habits genetic disease.

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RE: BBW's, Is this something as a society that we shoul... - 5/12/2007 4:47:50 PM

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Jeez why yell at me? I'm not the government.

HEY CAN I YELL AT YOU TOO?

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RE: BBW's, Is this something as a society that we shoul... - 5/12/2007 4:51:25 PM

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Jeez why yell at me? I'm not the government.

HEY CAN I YELL AT YOU TOO?

NO

or maybe yes... if I can play with your fuzzy noggin?

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RE: BBW's, Is this something as a society that we shoul... - 5/12/2007 4:52:05 PM

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It's good to be reminded that small-minded people are everywhere.
Not that I really need such a reminder when I get plenty of it every day.

I don't really understand the point to this discussion. It's obvious no one here is changing anyone else's mind. And why be so concerned with someone else's weight. Unless they are sitting on your chest, how is it affecting you?

I'm fat. I say it loud and proud not because I'm happy to be the weight that I am but because I am not going to waste my time weeping that I don't have Jennifer Lopez's body.
Some of you would obviously have all overweight folks be sniveling little puddles of apologies for their body type. Quite frankly, that's utter bullshit. If you can't deal with someone because you are so shallow that another's weight bothers you, then run inside, lock the doors and never leave the house again. It'll be better for all of us, I assure you.

What is truly disturbing are the women in this thread who have been or are fat and are obviously fat-haters themselves. It's sad that their hate for themselves not only affects them but oozes out onto others they see in similar situations.

Being fat does not make me any less beautiful, any less sexy than if I were smaller. I realize that to some people it does because it makes me not their type but your beauty should not be dependent on what others think of you. And certainly not what they think of your outer shell.

That all said, I am aware of the health issues. Still, they are MY health issues. I'll deal with them. Would you walk up to a person dealing with, say, cancer and start telling them what they should and shouldn't do or be?
Of course, I realize there is a difference but the point is that in both cases, it's not your business and not your place.

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RE: BBW's, Is this something as a society that we shoul... - 5/12/2007 4:56:06 PM

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well for whats its worth disorders are not necesarily genetic, and granted those disorders exist but do not apply to the greater majority of obese people. bad habits, (self included even tho i do have thyroid issues). i am not even close to obese but hell i could do to lose a couple. me like most people suffer from bad habits genetic disease.

For what it's worth, the one I said is genetic, IS. I've done a LOT of research on PCOS because "I are one".

From your words, you seem to think it's 'bad habits' for most people. Just because that applies to you, does not mean it applies to everybody, or even the 'greater majority of obese people'. Period. You cannot tell, just by looking at a fat person, if they are fat because of genetics, disease, medication (for some other disease), or because of bad habits.

Yet, because so many people *know* that fat people are just that way because they don't have the will power to push away from the table or get up and move their bodies, it will always be acceptable to ridicule and discriminate against them. Or worse.

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RE: BBW's, Is this something as a society that we shoul... - 5/12/2007 4:59:25 PM

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It's good to be reminded that small-minded people are everywhere.
Not that I really need such a reminder when I get plenty of it every day.

I don't really understand the point to this discussion. It's obvious no one here is changing anyone else's mind. And why be so concerned with someone else's weight. Unless they are sitting on your chest, how is it affecting you?

I'm fat. I say it loud and proud not because I'm happy to be the weight that I am but because I am not going to waste my time weeping that I don't have Jennifer Lopez's body.
Some of you would obviously have all overweight folks be sniveling little puddles of apologies for their body type. Quite frankly, that's utter bullshit. If you can't deal with someone because you are so shallow that another's weight bothers you, then run inside, lock the doors and never leave the house again. It'll be better for all of us, I assure you.

What is truly disturbing are the women in this thread who have been or are fat and are obviously fat-haters themselves. It's sad that their hate for themselves not only affects them but oozes out onto others they see in similar situations.

Being fat does not make me any less beautiful, any less sexy than if I were smaller. I realize that to some people it does because it makes me not their type but your beauty should not be dependent on what others think of you. And certainly not what they think of your outer shell.

That all said, I am aware of the health issues. Still, they are MY health issues. I'll deal with them. Would you walk up to a person dealing with, say, cancer and start telling them what they should and shouldn't do or be?
Of course, I realize there is a difference but the point is that in both cases, it's not your business and not your place.

Gee I feel the love here. NA, I did not start the thread. I did not say anywhere on this thread OR elsewhere that I hated fat people. To suggest so is absurd and untrue. Nor do I hate myself.
I don't hate groups, I rarely if ever hate an individual.

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RE: BBW's, Is this something as a society that we shoul... - 5/12/2007 5:02:47 PM

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well for whats its worth disorders are not necesarily genetic, and granted those disorders exist but do not apply to the greater majority of obese people. bad habits, (self included even tho i do have thyroid issues). i am not even close to obese but hell i could do to lose a couple. me like most people suffer from bad habits genetic disease.

For what it's worth, the one I said is genetic, IS. I've done a LOT of research on PCOS because "I are one".

From your words, you seem to think it's 'bad habits' for most people. Just because that applies to you, does not mean it applies to everybody, or even the 'greater majority of obese people'. Period. You cannot tell, just by looking at a fat person, if they are fat because of genetics, disease, medication (for some other disease), or because of bad habits.

Yet, because so many people *know* that fat people are just that way because they don't have the will power to push away from the table or get up and move their bodies, it will always be acceptable to ridicule and discriminate against them. Or worse.

You make a BIG mistake if you in any way ahape or form feel that i am being "judgemental" here. i am stating what i believe is fact, nothing more. Which if you did not notice i included myself in.

What causes Polycystic Ovarian Syndrome (PCOS)? No one knows the exact cause of PCOS. Women with PCOS frequently have a mother or sister with PCOS. But there is not yet enough evidence to say there is a genetic link to this disorder.
http://www.4woman.gov/faq/pcos.htm

Like i said very few are gentic sorry.

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RE: BBW's, Is this something as a society that we shoul... - 5/12/2007 5:06:50 PM

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Gee I feel the love here. NA, I did not start the thread. I did not say anywhere on this thread OR elsewhere that I hated fat people. To suggest so is absurd and untrue. Nor do I hate myself.
I don't hate groups, I rarely if ever hate an individual.

i think i only hated once or twice in my life LOL and that was very short lived. not a good thing.

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RE: BBW's, Is this something as a society that we shoul... - 5/12/2007 5:10:32 PM

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There's scientific studies now that are pointing to those 'fat' people being more healthy than skinny people.

So, we should maybe get the skinny ones to a doctor and get them on diets to fatten them up a bit so they aren't so sick anymore?

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20070510/ap_on_he_me/thin_fat_people_7;_ylt=Ah2DIcxTC_wpbPBT_YiTPiYE1vAI

sorry to burst your bubble, but that's not what the article is about. it's about the respective risk associated with dieting and exercise as weight control measures. the majority of studies I am aware of point toward excess weight as a contributor to all sorts of health problems, from arthritis to heart disease to back pain, when compared to average weight persons. When compared to morbidly skinny waifs, all bets are off.

JohnTom

Did you actually read the article? Unless my link took me somewhere different, the article was about people who appear thin on the outside but actually have dangerous levels of fat on the inside around their vital organs and are thus just as unhealthy or worse than people who carry their fat on the surface. The mention of diet and exercise was in regards to the study finding that people who control their weight with diet but not exercise tend to have this "thin outside fat inside" problem whereas people who exercise do not.

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RE: BBW's, Is this something as a society that we shoul... - 5/12/2007 5:15:32 PM

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I thought about putting this in the health and safety area but figured I would get a better response here. I do not wish to offend anyone or have people think that I only envision real woman as 90lb supermodels. As a person who works in the healthcare industry I am appalled that someone could even be more than 100lbs over their ideal body weight let alone think it was something to flaunt. For those of you that belive the term BBW applies to a voluptuous full figured woman I have no problems with you and can understand the application of the term.

I guess I have lit the fire and look forward to your responses

As someone who works in healthcare you need to be better informed. The reason i say that is many people of both sexes are overweight through health reasons and not diet. If anyone should be responsible, its for governments in the west to ensure better details about healthy lifestyle and diets, and to ban foods known to cause health issues.

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RE: BBW's, Is this something as a society that we shoul... - 5/12/2007 5:18:21 PM

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RealOne? I tried to CMail you via your profile but it didn't come up. Couldya CMail me so I can CMail ya back? lol.

*CMail induced hijack ovah*

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RE: BBW's, Is this something as a society that we shoul... - 5/12/2007 5:22:55 PM

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after reading the entire thread(yes...the entire thread) i just wanted to make a few comments; firstly, there is a huge difference between being over weight but in shape, and just plain FAT and unhealthy. some people on this thread seem to be under the impression that they are being attacked for being over weight, and have to repetedly state that they are HEALTHY...we believe you. the OP asked a question because, being in the medical feild, he/she probably sees the devistating effects of being so over weight(diabetes, having to get surgery to repair damage on hips, spine and knees that are caused by the pressure of weight, people not being able to walk, having breathing problems, sleep apnea, need i go on?). they are not wrong! there are WAY more health problems that are caused by being significantly over weight then there are benefits, despite how you feel about yourself. its true that some people have genetic reasons for not being able to lose weight...for example a slow metabolism. thats not always the case though. a coworker of mine has a very fast metabolism, but just EATS so much and so frequently that she is grossly over weight.

i personally am over weight. i wouldnt call myself obese(though that is technically what over weight is...) but i could, should and am trying to lose a few pounds. i have my reasons for doing this; i am very happy with the way i am, most of the time i see nothing but good things in the mirror, but losing weight is the only way i can get rid of my polycystic ovarian, it is the only way i can insure that i dont inherit some of the weight related diseases and afflictions that are without fail passed down from generation to generation on both sides of my family. as some have said, being very skinny is just as unhealthy as being morbidly obese, but keep in mind that some people are naturely skinny the same way that some people are naturaly overweight. (infact some of these people are constantly trying to gain weight in the same way some people are constantly trying to lose weight). oh, and for the person who mentioned changing body/weight social norms, i have to mention that 200 years ago, fat was a good thing because it ment you had more money and were able to buy more food; today, fat has the image of someone not being able to controle themselves, and of being unhealthy. we also know now approximately what a person should weigh for their height/bone structure/age. modern science has told us that if you are Xfoot X, have X% of muscle, then you should have X% body fat to be healthy. i believe a woman needs 10% body fat to have and keep her period, anything bellow that is generally unhealthy and means they are being starved/starving themselves. to clarify that; it basically means that you COULD be 90 pounds and be perfectly healthy, as long as your fat/muscle/height ratio makes healthy sense. someone who is 4'2 would be considered over weight if they were 120 pounds, where someone who is 5'8 would most likely be considered UNDER weight at 120 pounds. (i myself am 5/1.75 and weigh about 143. for my muscle/height ratio i could comfortably be 120, though the charts would probably put me lower)

this topic to me is a moot point, since you cant really change someone elses personal opinion. some people like being chunky, and if theyre healthy and happy, then i see no point in telling them otherwise. unfortuantely, most people who are 100+ pounds over weight are NOT healthy, but bully to them if they are happy and willing to take on the risk of their own body size.

im going to end by saying this; i have a big butt that i love, and lucky for me, i found someone with an ass fetish and big hands

happy mothers day all!

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RE: BBW's, Is this something as a society that we shoul... - 5/12/2007 5:23:59 PM

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kc692,

I'm not here to report anyone for pics they may have on their profiles. It's just sad that I had a pic rejected and still have not gotten a proper explanation from the Moderators. It was a pic of me with my boot over the head of a "tiny" naked man. It was "in decent taste" and did not show any genital nudity...nor was it "violent' in my opinion...so, I don't understand. But, it's OK for someone to have a pic of them exposing their breasts or other parts and/ or NOT clearly showing their face as their main pic? Hmmmm...anyway, I do not mean to "hijack" this thread. I'm interested to see how many pages this one will go on and I have just noticed another "BBW" thread scrolling by in the recent posts section of this site. Always a "hot" topic of debate.

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RE: BBW's, Is this something as a society that we shoul... - 5/12/2007 5:27:53 PM

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What is truly disturbing are the women in this thread who have been or are fat and are obviously fat-haters themselves.

That is not disturbing at all, it healthy. They should hate fat. There is a reason it is called "morbid" obesity!

No, what is truly disturbing are the people who continually make excuses and demand that everyone should except they are either A) a healthy fat or B) Cannot lose weight for one syndrome or another.

Our bodies are machines. The fuel is burned as calories. If you burn more calories that the amount you consume in a day and continually do so, you will lose weight because your body will start feeding off its stores. Once at a target weight, you can adjust you caloric intake to match your energy out put and maintain. It is called a lifestyle change. It is not easy, in fact it is extremely difficult and it is a lifetime commitment, just like an drunk staying away from hooch or a junkie from smack.

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RE: BBW's, Is this something as a society that we shoul... - 5/12/2007 5:28:17 PM

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As an ex "fat chick" Ive been on both sides. Now thin, i still have the same medical problems i had when i was bigger. Who really cares what size body a person sports? The inside will always be the same. A "fat chick" can lose weight, but sadly a "fat hater" will always be the same self centered , ignorant, visual, person. If the visual disgusts you, to be with a fatter person, then you are shallow to almost the fault of prejudice. I prefer big (chunky) men, but it seems the big (heavy) men prefer stick figures. Go figure. Sometimes you wonder how they find it to pee, yet if the woman is more than 100 lbs, THEY get grossed out. hmmm whats wrong with this picture?

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RE: BBW's, Is this something as a society that we shoul... - 5/12/2007 5:28:39 PM

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hypo theyroidism will do it, otherwise i cant think of anything else that could cause it.

You're kidding right? There are many genetic reasons why everybody in a family would gain weight, including what area of the world their ancestors came from.

There isn't only one medical reason to make a person not be able to lose weight.

ok call me stoopid then!

what genetic reasons?

Since you're a male I will excuse you for not knowing about polycystic ovarian syndrome. Then there is insulin resistance which is not the same as diabetes but is an insulin issue and in my case specifically, having polycystic ovaries has created a wonky hormonal feedback loop that tells my body not to respond to food the way a normal person would. This is just one issue I have dealt with personally that makes it extremely difficult, if not impossible, to lose weight and (key words) *keep it off* unless I am willing to accept a life of continuous hunger and denial, which I am not. These problems are genetic and not caused by anything I did, but run in my family (several female relatives have the same.)

What about chemical imbalances in the brain causing depression? That's genetic, right? Well, some people who are on meds for that gain huge amounts of weight due to the drugs. Other people self medicate their depression/anxiety with food.

I won't call you stupid but obviously you have your mind made up that being overweight is completely under a person's control (unless they have hypothyroidism) when this couldn't be less true. I'm sure others know of genetic or inherited problems that can be a cause of weight as well.

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RE: BBW's, Is this something as a society that we shoul... - 5/12/2007 5:29:45 PM

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Thanks for that post, especially the first paragraph. The entire post was full of good points, but the first bit was what I was hoping someone would... see ...

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RE: BBW's, Is this something as a society that we shoul... - 5/12/2007 5:31:13 PM

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Ach hem.... Hello????

Howdy
How you doin?
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