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RE: BBW's, Is this something as a society that we shoul... - 5/12/2007 10:22:20 AM

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Y'all can say its not UNhealthy but thats CRAP...being that over weight IS unheathy....at the very least its REALLY bad on your hips,knees, and ankles...

Actually, that's just what the people making money off the multi-billion dollar weight loss industry want you to think. It has been shown time and time again that activity level vs. being sedentary and balanced nutrition vs. junk food are much better indicators of health than weight, size, or BMI. It's just that some people can eat right and exercise and still not lose weight. But think about it - how would weight watchers, jenny craig, nutrasystem, medifast, metabolife, phen-fen, ephedra, trimspa, dexatrim, (on and on and on and on) survive if everyone was cool just being what their body let them be when they maintained a good lifestlye? If we didn't *believe* that being fat was unhealthy we'd have much less motivation to try to change.

I'm not saying there isn't a point at which it is unhealthy but get this: according to actual scientific studies on obesity and mortality, people who are even a few lbs underweight are at higher risk of death than people a hundred lbs overweight. My source is the bibliography of "The Obesity Myth" by Paul Campos, PhD.

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RE: BBW's, Is this something as a society that we shoul... - 5/12/2007 10:22:27 AM

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Hey I think I am Beautiful what ever size I may be in at this moment or any other !Yes I also been Large all My Life! Being a fat woman doesnt mean I am ugly by no means ! My Weight goes up and down and though I try to exercise, my joints prevent me with servere Pain at times from doing anything! I dont blame any one but me and my back ground of Large family! I am proud of me any way so Bite My Big Lush Ass! I do take care of me and encourage all to accept and improve ones self and All you who think your so great LOOK at your own faults and stop pointing fingers no one wants to hear we to fat for you ! Plenty of others who fit your shallow mould! Sad Kitty Not so Sad

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RE: BBW's, Is this something as a society that we shoul... - 5/12/2007 10:27:09 AM

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Y'all can say its not UNhealthy but thats CRAP...being that over weight IS unheathy....at the very least its REALLY bad on your hips,knees, and ankles...

Actually, that's just what the people making money off the multi-billion dollar weight loss industry want you to think. It has been shown time and time again that activity level vs. being sedentary and balanced nutrition vs. junk food are much better indicators of health than weight, size, or BMI. It's just that some people can eat right and exercise and still not lose weight. But think about it - how would weight watchers, jenny craig, nutrasystem, medifast, metabolife, phen-fen, ephedra, trimspa, dexatrim, (on and on and on and on) survive if everyone was cool just being what their body let them be when they maintained a good lifestlye? If we didn't *believe* that being fat was unhealthy we'd have much less motivation to try to change.

I'm not saying there isn't a point at which it is unhealthy but get this: according to actual scientific studies on obesity and mortality, people who are even a few lbs underweight are at higher risk of death than people a hundred lbs overweight. My source is the bibliography of "The Obesity Myth" by Paul Campos, PhD.

I'm sorry but I am confused. Do you mean to say that being seriously overweight has no physical ramifications?
That damage to hips/knees/ankles is something contrived by the diet industry? Or that the heart is not burdened by the excess?
I am aware of the book you mention btw. I just don't get the idea that obese people don't have additional health issues due to their weight.

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RE: BBW's, Is this something as a society that we shoul... - 5/12/2007 10:37:04 AM

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I applaud the effort for anyone being happy with themselves. The fact that they are on here, exposing their thoughts, their darkest desires, their innermost secrets.. at least regarding to this lifestyle.. Is such an amazingly vulnerable thing.. and the fact that they choose to be -honest- about their weight.. that they have enough caring.. or rather so impressively -not- caring what a bunch of people think of how they look.

~I~ don't post my photos, not because I give a shit that someone will see me and think "Oh another fat bitch." But because I don't believe that those sort of people ~deserve~ to see, or know what I look like.

I'm no where near 100 pounds over weight.. though I could use to lose about 40 pounds myself.. But currently at my weight of 188 pounds, I think I am beautiful. I think my size is perfect. I -choose- to want to lose a bit more weight..

I don't think that any of these "fat" threads are going to help anyone with their self-esteem, and they shouldn't have to be ridiculed for not being a size 2 or something near that. I find it -very- sad that some people have nothing better to do than bash people online.

Where are the photos of these bashers?!

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RE: BBW's, Is this something as a society that we shoul... - 5/12/2007 10:42:42 AM

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Nobody wants to be overweight or underweight on purpose, it can hurt, be hard to breathe, lack of energy, discrimination, unpleasant stares, difficult to find nice clothes, etc. There's a big difference between encouraging people to be over/underweight (which is nonsense) and making people's lives even harder by discriminating against them and bashing them for whatever reason either weight-related or otherwise. If people were more rational then there wouldn't be so many weight threads, for example you don't see diabetes or baldness threads several times a week every single week do you!

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RE: BBW's, Is this something as a society that we shoul... - 5/12/2007 10:44:38 AM

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I'm sorry but I am confused. Do you mean to say that being seriously overweight has no physical ramifications? That damage to hips/knees/ankles is something contrived by the diet industry? Or that the heart is not burdened by the excess? I am aware of the book you mention btw. I just don't get the idea that obese people don't have additional health issues due to their weight.

As I said, I am not disputing that there is a point at which it causes ill health effects for some people, possibly many. However, that point has been proven to be much higher than the industry would like you to think. AND that point is affected by how active a person is and has been throughout their life, not just merely being overweight. For example, a person's health is much more likely to suffer from a cycle of losing, gaining, losing, gaining weight than if a person has just always been heavy but healthy. I can't name a certain weight that = unhealthy, it's a very personal thing. And if someone really wants to lose weight because it's what they want, then I'm all for it. It's just that there are a lot of people out there who are hindered from being "healthy" people (as much mentally as physically) because they are being constantly told that there is something wrong with them. In reality, anyone can be healthy and beautiful and it has shit to do with their size.

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RE: BBW's, Is this something as a society that we shoul... - 5/12/2007 1:29:13 PM

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Society has this misguided assumption that anyone over, or under, the current socially accepted norms lives an unhealthy lifestyle, and only has themselves to blame.

We all "know" that all 'fat' people are lazy and eat junk food, and all 'skinny' people have an eating disorder.

Bulls**t.

I think we should be encouraging everyone in the world to eat healthy and get exercise, absolutely. I also think we should accept that humans come in many body shapes and sizes, and all deserve basic human respect and dignity.

I've been considered beautiful by many people over the years, and at many different weights. (I haven't been HWP since I was a child.) It's not my weight that makes the difference, it's who I strive to be, inside.

I'm happier now than when I was a few dress sizes larger, and so I won't get into a discussion about whether large people should lose weight or smaller folks should gain it. It's about a healthy attitude and lifestyle not a number on a scale.

Time society grew up and made that important distinction.

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RE: BBW's, Is this something as a society that we shoul... - 5/12/2007 1:53:18 PM

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You can not speak for every one. I do not NEED sex, most times Id o not want sex. and it's not cause I am overweight, it's because I simply do not need to fuck all the time to be happy. I didn't wish much sex when I was skinny either, I am fufilled by other things. Now sometimes I am unusualy horny and I will go after sex, and it's the purpose and intent of my interaction with him, but need it? no. And finding my partner wasn't about sex either,

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ORIGINAL: MistressSandra2U

. Of course overweight people should flaunt and do what they can to attract a partner. Everyone needs sex.

This question is almost the same as asking if a morbidly obese person should smile. When you see an overweight person smiling and laughing Question, do you wonder how they could feel good enough about themselves at that weight to smile? Should they weight until they've lost 100 pounds to show their face? What have you done as a health care professional to help one person lose weight?

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RE: BBW's, Is this something as a society that we shoul... - 5/12/2007 2:00:29 PM

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ORIGINAL: question

I thought about putting this in the health and safety area but figured I would get a better response here. I do not wish to offend anyone or have people think that I only envision real woman as 90lb supermodels. As a person who works in the healthcare industry I am appalled that someone could even be more than 100lbs over their ideal body weight let alone think it was something to flaunt. For those of you that belive the term BBW applies to a voluptuous full figured woman I have no problems with you and can understand the application of the term.

I guess I have lit the fire and look forward to your responses

As long as their doctor says they are healthy, it really doesn't matter.

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RE: BBW's, Is this something as a society that we shoul... - 5/12/2007 2:02:26 PM

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I had to sit down to put socks on even when I was a kid, who stands up to put socks on. I put the sock between my knees roll it up and then slip it over my foot.

You not thinking fat people are pretty is your own problem. I know I am cute and I know I am sexy, and my Dominant thinks I am cute and sexy.

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I agree with much of what you posted here. To me someone 100+ lbs overweight is not sexy . Being fat is not fun. If you can't easily clip your own toenails or put socks on without sitting down I see a problem.

Never did I call myself a BBW simply because I was fat not beautiful.

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RE: BBW's, Is this something as a society that we shoul... - 5/12/2007 2:05:54 PM

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Well it shouldn't be encouraged if only because it's just unhealthy. I like women of all sizes, for bdsm/sex/friendship, but wouldn't marry a bbw mostly because my partner would literally have to keep up with vanilla activities, ie hiking, biking, etc.....

oh really now?

i love to hike, bike, walk, swim ...and guess what - i'm a bbw! *shock and awe* guess who had volunteered to chase around an active 5yr old hunny bunny and her pre-k classroom mates on field trips ...yeah that would be me at the zoo a couple of weeks ago. and i stand on my feet most nights 3 to 4hrs reviewing bands ...moving and dancing to the music ...you can say i'm active in my own special way. so it's wrong for you to generalize and assume that most of us are lazy, couch potatoes with no physical activity.

tennis anyone?

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RE: BBW's, Is this something as a society that we shoul... - 5/12/2007 2:14:54 PM

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There's scientific studies now that are pointing to those 'fat' people being more healthy than skinny people.

So, we should maybe get the skinny ones to a doctor and get them on diets to fatten them up a bit so they aren't so sick anymore?

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20070510/ap_on_he_me/thin_fat_people_7;_ylt=Ah2DIcxTC_wpbPBT_YiTPiYE1vAI

sorry to burst your bubble, but that's not what the article is about. it's about the respective risk associated with dieting and exercise as weight control measures. the majority of studies I am aware of point toward excess weight as a contributor to all sorts of health problems, from arthritis to heart disease to back pain, when compared to average weight persons. When compared to morbidly skinny waifs, all bets are off.

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RE: BBW's, Is this something as a society that we shoul... - 5/12/2007 2:15:21 PM

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I had to sit down to put socks on even when I was a kid, who stands up to put socks on. I put the sock between my knees roll it up and then slip it over my foot.

You not thinking fat people are pretty is your own problem. I know I am cute and I know I am sexy, and my Dominant thinks I am cute and sexy.
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ORIGINAL: cjenny

I agree with much of what you posted here. To me someone 100+ lbs overweight is not sexy . Being fat is not fun. If you can't easily clip your own toenails or put socks on without sitting down I see a problem.

Never did I call myself a BBW simply because I was fat not beautiful.

I feel some hostility here and that was not something I wanted. I never said fat people weren't pretty FelinePersuasion. This post is about the term BBW, BigBeautifulWomen. To me obesity is not beautiful, it is a problem. To you apparently it is a problem that I think that way.
I do not think society ought to encourage it which is the second bit of the OP.
The examples I used were just that, trying to show that a certain level of physical incapacity (putting socks on without difficulty) goes along with obesity. I'm not picking on anyone overweight nor would I ever. I know there are many reasons for it some that are beyond a persons control.
Weight problems are a social problem as well. It costs more in medical care, sometimes that has to be picked up by everyone. Children are losing so much outdoor time compared to my childhood of 30+ years ago. Jeez PE has been taken out of loads of public schools! Their cafeterias often have fast food franchises inside. IMO there is something wrong with that as a society, so no I don't want it encouraged.
That was the OP. Not whether or not you're 'cute'. I'm sorry you felt defensive over this.

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RE: BBW's, Is this something as a society that we shoul... - 5/12/2007 2:25:08 PM

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No no. I lost all that thru illness and self imposed starvation. NOT the way to go! So no kudos for me please, I did it all wrong.

well for what it's worth, if the avatar is your real picture, you might have gone the wrong way, but you ended up in the right place :)

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RE: BBW's, Is this something as a society that we shoul... - 5/12/2007 2:25:38 PM

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Again that's your own problem. I am confident, I love myself, and I love life. I am confident bold vibrant, out going, kind I put myself out there, I don't care who's looking.

I'd like to be skinnier, I don't like paying 100 bucks for a dress, but that don't change any bearing on my confidence. I do not hide nor cower, I am outgoing and vibrant and proud of myself, and it shows.

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Someone may be beautiful despite being fat, but I cannot swallow (yesssss pun intended) thinking that an average height woman who weighs in over 250 pounds is a healthy, confident & beautiful woman.

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RE: BBW's, Is this something as a society that we shoul... - 5/12/2007 2:27:07 PM

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Heh thanks but the avatar is actually a CM one. My pics are me though. I know I will never be a size 4 again but dangggggggg that was fun!!

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RE: BBW's, Is this something as a society that we shoul... - 5/12/2007 2:32:53 PM

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I like women of all sizes, for bdsm/sex/friendship, but wouldn't marry a bbw mostly because my partner would literally have to keep up with vanilla activities, ie hiking, biking, etc.....

There we go again...maybe it's true that some fat people are just couch potatos but I can speak for myself (and I know I'm not the only one on the planet) that I can keep up with anyone in all of those activities.

that wouldn't be a primary consideration for me. if someone can keep up, that's nice. But to quote by a tall sub who was looking for someone yet taller, there are "non-negotiable logistical consideration" that would make me chose a lighter female.

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RE: BBW's, Is this something as a society that we shoul... - 5/12/2007 2:42:03 PM

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Now, that I can agree with. In highschool the only "break" you got was lunch, and that was spent by most people on their benches with friends chilling and eating lunch. In 6th grade we could choose pizza hut or taco bell, as well as alacart. which I loved, in 6th grade I wasn't overweight though, And we had icecream machines, and candy machines, What happend from 3rd grade, where it was thought students should go out and be active, to 7th and 8th on up where the only time you got out of class was lunch.

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Children are losing so much outdoor time compared to my childhood of 30+ years ago. Jeez PE has been taken out of loads of public schools! Their cafeterias often have fast food franchises inside.

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RE: BBW's, Is this something as a society that we shoul... - 5/12/2007 2:45:33 PM

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Again that's your own problem. I am confident, I love myself, and I love life. I am confident bold vibrant, out going, kind I put myself out there, I don't care who's looking.

I'd like to be skinnier, I don't like paying 100 bucks for a dress, but that don't change any bearing on my confidence. I do not hide nor cower, I am outgoing and vibrant and proud of myself, and it shows.
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ORIGINAL: cjenny

Someone may be beautiful despite being fat, but I cannot swallow (yesssss pun intended) thinking that an average height woman who weighs in over 250 pounds is a healthy, confident & beautiful woman.

I have to ask now, why you keep stating "Thats your problem" to me? Are you even aware that it is a rather hostile statement?
Kudos to you being confident. Confidence is a good thing.

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RE: BBW's, Is this something as a society that we shoul... - 5/12/2007 2:48:27 PM

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I take issue when people think fat people can't be confident. I suppose that's a bit hostile. i agree with school stuff tho.

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