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ORIGINAL: Vendaval

"S.C. may OK concealed guns on campus"

By Seanna Adox, AP Writer
Coumbia, S.C., May 16, 2007

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Now when the hell are we going to get a "51%" law passed so that i can carry in a friggin' restaurant, already?

I do carry into restaurants. And the people who work there know I carry, just noone can see what I carry. I even carried into our local courthouse one day. Sherrif stopped me and asked if I had my gun on me, I said what do you think. He just kind of grinned. Sometimes it's nice living in a little town where everyone knows everyone.

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ORIGINAL: Real0ne

utah a nice grass roots state!

listen to the assholes that think laws can "protect" people LMAO

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ORIGINAL: UtopianRanger

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ORIGINAL: Real0ne

utah a nice grass roots state!

listen to the assholes that think laws can "protect" people LMAO

I'll tell ya what, up here in Oregon, I'm so used to seeing people with a side arm on their belt in public, I don't even give it a second thought anymore. We haven't had anyone go postal in the nearly ten years I've been here.

It's the same here. Every other person you see carries a visible weapon. Unfortunately, i've got to the point that sometimes I no longer believe the law protects people. People protect people.



- R

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ORIGINAL: MasterDesire
A interesting subject. Will allowing more guns on campus or on people stop the few that are intent on making a name for them selves? 

Unfortunately, the answer to this is no. There will always be someone out there hell bent on doing this.

You have to remember one thing the gun is only the object that allows someone to act out their intent.

I've always said, guns don't kill, people kill. A gun won't go off unless a person makes it.

The internet of the person with the gun is the problem. The fact that I or you carry a side arm is not the issue. The issue is the person that has the intent and the desire to make a name for themselves on national news. If the new would stop covering the incidents I feel there would be far less of a me too attitude. So many people feel that I want to be remembered in some way. They feel that they are alone  or different that the main stream public so they act out in their own way. A person can be the most stable law abiding person there is and one incident can set them off. Where their intent is killing one or many. I don't know how many have every had a gun pointed at you and thought you life would end.
 
I have, i've been shot. One reason I carry, the other reason....kids to protect.

Working in the past in law enforcement gives you a totally different  look on things. Even our officers are subject today as a normal citizen would be if they shoot someone to being sued by the person family or actions of a review board. I see so many talk I carry a gun. Well that is well and good, but under a true situation would you be able to get to it  for number one and two use it to kill someone.

While i've never killed someone, I have have shot someone. When your faced with someone holding a weapon, specially if you have kids, you do what neccessary to protect them and yourself. I'm not sure if I could ever kill...I can't see it happening. But, if I ever did...it would mean I had no other choice. I pray I never have to go to that extreme.

You may say yes, but it is not as easy as you think. The carrying of a side arm is a personal thing for each of us to think about. It does not make you macho or better than the next person.

Never sid it did. I  just believe in protecting what's mine.

Yes it give you a chance to defend yourself. But also gives you the chance to make a wrong choice as well. I can promise you one thing the average person will not be standing there wanting to confront a armed person. The worse nightmare for most officers is the use of his or her sidearm. It is not easy to take a life. Also if you are the one that takes the life of another will it be justified or will it be another person trying to stop a incident and you shoot the wrong person. The more people with guns is as bad as one with a gun. Who is the bad guy and who is the good one. It makes the officers job just that much more difficult. Yes  there are situation where maybe armed citizen would make a difference, but I believe that those are far and few in between. If you carry do it wisely. 

I do. Normally, if confronted with violence, I would try other means to get out of it. But, if I see there is no other alternative, I will pull. The last person who point a gun at me was answered back with a gun, but only after I realized he wasn't gonna back down. I gave him two choices....drop and walk away or get shot. He walked away. Was arrested the next day for robbing a liquor store.

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ORIGINAL: Guilty1974

Ok, in some streets in Amsterdam, you can get busted for carrying a pocket knife (and that has really happened). That's a bit over the top...

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ORIGINAL: HutchGarahl
I agree....do you have a length law or does it cover any knife? Here we have a length law.

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The only reason to carry a weapon of any description in Amsterdam is for criminal intent. 
 
I find that hard to believe. Just because someone may have a pocket knife, doesn't mean they have it so they can slice someone's throat.[/quote
 

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Regulations with regard to knives are a bit complex here I'm afraid. Generally speaking, we do have a length law. A short blade sharpened only on one side is legal, though there are some exceptions (some automatic knives, butterfly knives, etc.). This means I can legally own such a knive. However, it also basically illegal to carry arms, so you're not allowed to have anything with you (and that's the messy part) that's intended as a potential weapon. So for instance, a baseball bat in the trunk of your car would be no problem, but one next to the drivers seat might be. Same for the knife. My legally owned knife might be an illegal weapon if I have it my pocket, and just be a legally owned knife if it's down somewhere in my bag where I can't grab it instantaneously. So when I go out to a BDSM venue and need a knive for security reasons during suspension bondage, the knive goes in my bag, unavailable as a weapon when on the streets.
 
So let me see if I got this....someone decides they're gonna rob and rape ya....your knife is in your purse, but you manage to retrive it, using it to protect yourself...yet you go to jail for illegally carrying? That's fucked up.

BUT Amsterdam now decided by local regulations that in some areas ANY knive ANYWHERE is illegal. Which has allready resulted in a Swiss tourist getting a substantial fine for carrying a swiss pocket knife to make his sandwiches. Now I'm strongly in favour of arms-control, but that's over the top even in my humble opinion.

Do you have boy/girl scouts in Amsterdam and if so...how do they handle survival training? One of the requirements for scouting is the safe use of a knife...training to be able to use a knife to build a makeshift shelter, they're used for cooking and other things. Well..least here in America.

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ORIGINAL: HutchGarahl

So let me see if I got this....someone decides they're gonna rob and rape ya....your knife is in your purse, but you manage to retrive it, using it to protect yourself...yet you go to jail for illegally carrying? That's fucked up.

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Do you have boy/girl scouts in Amsterdam and if so...how do they handle survival training? One of the requirements for scouting is the safe use of a knife...training to be able to use a knife to build a makeshift shelter, they're used for cooking and other things. Well..least here in America.

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ORIGINAL: HutchGarahl

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The only reason to carry a weapon of any description in Amsterdam is for criminal intent. 
 
I find that hard to believe. Just because someone may have a pocket knife, doesn't mean they have it so they can slice someone's throat.[/quote
 

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Regulations with regard to knives are a bit complex here I'm afraid. Generally speaking, we do have a length law. A short blade sharpened only on one side is legal, though there are some exceptions (some automatic knives, butterfly knives, etc.). This means I can legally own such a knive. However, it also basically illegal to carry arms, so you're not allowed to have anything with you (and that's the messy part) that's intended as a potential weapon. So for instance, a baseball bat in the trunk of your car would be no problem, but one next to the drivers seat might be. Same for the knife. My legally owned knife might be an illegal weapon if I have it my pocket, and just be a legally owned knife if it's down somewhere in my bag where I can't grab it instantaneously. So when I go out to a BDSM venue and need a knive for security reasons during suspension bondage, the knive goes in my bag, unavailable as a weapon when on the streets.
 
So let me see if I got this....someone decides they're gonna rob and rape ya....your knife is in your purse, but you manage to retrive it, using it to protect yourself...yet you go to jail for illegally carrying? That's fucked up.

BUT Amsterdam now decided by local regulations that in some areas ANY knive ANYWHERE is illegal. Which has allready resulted in a Swiss tourist getting a substantial fine for carrying a swiss pocket knife to make his sandwiches. Now I'm strongly in favour of arms-control, but that's over the top even in my humble opinion.

Do you have boy/girl scouts in Amsterdam and if so...how do they handle survival training? One of the requirements for scouting is the safe use of a knife...training to be able to use a knife to build a makeshift shelter, they're used for cooking and other things. Well..least here in America.

I haven't noticed many boy scouts in my neighbourhood selling drugs lately or pimping, which are the two main ways of advertizing yourself to police and getting searched. I am also not aware of any tourists getting searched unless they are drunk or in search of drugs or doing something else to attract the attention of the police. I live in the centre of Amsterdam and I regularly see tourists sat around Dam Square making their lunch with a knife and I don't see police swooping down on them. The police are pretty realistic about who is a potential problem and who isn't.

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ORIGINAL: Guilty1974

Regulations with regard to knives are a bit complex here I'm afraid.

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ORIGINAL: Guilty1974

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ORIGINAL: HutchGarahl

So let me see if I got this....someone decides they're gonna rob and rape ya....your knife is in your purse, but you manage to retrive it, using it to protect yourself...yet you go to jail for illegally carrying? That's fucked up.

Probably not. Self-defense is legal, as long as you use no disproportional violence.

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Do you have boy/girl scouts in Amsterdam and if so...how do they handle survival training? One of the requirements for scouting is the safe use of a knife...training to be able to use a knife to build a makeshift shelter, they're used for cooking and other things. Well..least here in America.

Well, I guess the (few) area's designated as a no-knifes-whatsoever zone aren't exacly the area's where a boyscout should be wandering with or without knife :-)