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RE: Public undressing of sub females - 5/30/2007 4:47:57 PM

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It is fun, it is exciting, it is intrusive on those not wishing or needing to see it , and it is NOT worth the chance of getting arrested for!

Whispering the scene into your submissive's ear while in a public place can produce similar results.

Thus SSC.

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RE: Public undressing of sub females - 5/30/2007 4:58:44 PM

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I love being naked, i answer my front door naked all the time. And I love to play around at public places, theres more of a thrill.

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RE: Public undressing of sub females - 5/30/2007 5:18:12 PM

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While I enjoy undressing my sub at parties, clubs, and nude beaches, and wouldn't mind doing so in semi-public places, I do have a problem with doing so in situations where either UMs or people who would find such behavior offensive would be. Kink is one thing, but respect for fellow people is far more important.

That said, I really do enjoy taking the subbie's clothes off at the right venue and giving her a good flogging.

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RE: Public undressing of sub females - 5/30/2007 5:31:37 PM

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Obviously, there must not be very many advocates around here in favor of even more risky activities such as intercourse or oral sex in public places, which is enjoyed and advocated by even some vanilla couples.

Yeah, the thouht of being pubicly listed as a sex offender can have a dampening effect on public ardor.

By the way, "oral copulation, not with a minor, not forced" is also on the list in California. So, by then you've compounded it into two offenses.

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RE: Public undressing of sub females - 5/30/2007 5:43:13 PM

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No offense intended Diurnal Vampire, but I wish you'd read the entire posts before responding to things already addressed. I indicated the Sub did not seem to mind it at all and playfully went along with it. She did not appear to be hateful or angry at the guy, as you insinuate she must have been.
In fact, based on way the couple left the park, holding hands and googly-eyed, I sure bet they had excellent sex later on that day!
I don't think the couple was being selfish. I greatly sensed they were cognizant if enough people seemed to care about what they were doing, they would stop. As an example, they stopped a few times when people walked on the trail near to the bench. And the "flashing" part occurred when no one was on the trail close to them. Accessibility and visibility to the area was extremely limited due to fencing and the trail through the brush.
Some years ago, I one time also witnessed in a somewhat remote location of a different park a teenage guy give his teenage girlfriend a full wedgie, until her panties ripped off. I suppose that scene would offend some as well. But she also laughed and seemed to play along with it. I recall afterward she she tackled her boyfriend to the ground and slugged him quite hard in the back, and yes quite playfully, afterwards. They were both laughing.

As to MajiksSlave, you're absolutely right. I am not sure whether they were a Dom and Sub. I can imagine? Thanks.

You also said "something about the humiliation for the sub makes this a total turn on for me as a Dom to either witness or actually practice," implying it was humilation, which is what DV was responding to.

Just because you enjoyed the show doesn't mean that others will and it doesn't mean that you, or anyone else, has the right to put on that show in a public place on a holiday in a park where there is a high chance of being caught. I realize that is the fun of it, but let's face it... the world does not realize around them and their pleasure does not top the right of a parent to bring a young child to a park and not have them catch two kinksters indulging.

If this were at night, it would be something else entirely.

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RE: Public undressing of sub females - 5/30/2007 6:15:53 PM

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Doing it in the appropriate environment, yes. Doing it where they have all these nasty laws and stuff , no.

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RE: Public undressing of sub females - 5/30/2007 6:22:36 PM

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Obviously something about the humiliation for the sub makes this a total turn on for me as a Dom to either witness or actually practice," implying it was humilation, which is what DV was responding to."

Yeah, but it was my perception she was humiliated. But the reality was she was also (or simply was) seeming to have fun.
Last I heard, some subs enjoy non-mean-spirited, humiliation like what has occurred here.

Again, everyone is making such a big deal over this as if this guy was guilty of rape or something.

What about the point I brought up earlier? Isn't public sex and flashing/exhibitionism of actual body parts, things in which I don't condone, really significantly more dangerous and potentially harmful to unsuspecting eyes and kids than what has occurred here? And no kids were even close by and had they arrived due to the very limited visibility and access to the area, I'm sure the couple would have stopped based on what I had described earlier.

I highly doubt any police officer in the world would arrest this guy or couple for the consensual play here, which involved some petting (who hasn't done this before with a date in the car parked in a brightly lit lot at a drive-in theater for example?). And remember no bare private parts had actually been exposed at all.

If someone had actually complained, the officer would likely instruct them to stop and tell them to move on.
As a matter of fact, this was actually my experience with a date off-season at a beachfront park under a similar circumstance several years ago.

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RE: Public undressing of sub females - 5/30/2007 6:22:57 PM

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BTW I want to reiterate that the probem I have with it is that I know it would make others uncomfortable and unhappy. NOT because it's illegal, NOT because there are younglings about, NOT because *I* think it's bad. Personally I don't think it's any big deal at all and find it far less annoying than people who won't turn their cell phones off during the movies.

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RE: Public undressing of sub females - 5/30/2007 6:24:10 PM

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I do not feel it is right to chance allowing children to wander into your kink. Many people that are involved in WIITWD believe strongly in consent... In other words everyone that witnesses this little scene should be consenting to be witnesses, and UMs cannot consent. That goes against SSC (not that everyone advocates that, but I sure as hell advocate at least the "C" part of it).

Want to titilate each other in public, go to a swinger's club or a BDSM club... at least everyone there consented to witnessing it. If that is not good enough for you, obviously it is the idea that you might be seen by those who did not consent that is hot for you. Sure sounds vanilla pervy to me, but hardly anything more than a bad porn plot or penthouse forum story.

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RE: Public undressing of sub females - 5/30/2007 6:26:33 PM

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Ron--I am wondering why you assumed she was a sub.

I have done a few things in public places that were risky and looking back on it i think it was pretty stupid but at the time it seemed right because i trusted my dom (this wasn't Hubby).

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RE: Public undressing of sub females - 5/30/2007 6:28:54 PM

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if my UMs were in plain view, i would have the couple arrested for public nudity and exposure. i can see if it the setting was at a private party and/or club but out in the open - nope wouldn't be turned on by it.

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RE: Public undressing of sub females - 5/30/2007 6:41:09 PM

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Obviously something about the humiliation for the sub makes this a total turn on for me as a Dom to either witness or actually practice," implying it was humilation, which is what DV was responding to."

Yeah, but it was my perception she was humiliated. But the reality was she was also (or simply was) seeming to have fun.
Last I heard, some subs enjoy non-mean-spirited, humiliation like what has occurred here.

Again, everyone is making such a big deal over this as if this guy was guilty of rape or something.

What about the point I brought up earlier? Isn't public sex and flashing/exhibitionism of actual body parts, things in which I don't condone, really significantly more dangerous and potentially harmful to unsuspecting eyes and kids than what has occurred here? And no kids were even close by and had they arrived due to the very limited visibility and access to the area, I'm sure the couple would have stopped based on what I had described earlier.

I highly doubt any police officer in the world would arrest this guy or couple for the consensual play here, which involved some petting (who hasn't done this before with a date in the car parked in a brightly lit lot at a drive-in theater for example?). And remember no bare private parts had actually been exposed at all.

If someone had actually complained, the officer would likely instruct them to stop and tell them to move on.
As a matter of fact, this was actually my experience with a date off-season at a beachfront park under a similar circumstance several years ago.

You'd be wrong, I know for a fact having gotten in trouble for completely consentual hanky-panky in a deserted parking lot at night. And it isn't the guy everyone is taking to task. It's the couple.

T-shirts were raised, bra was exposed - it was sexual behavior and you don't have the right to decide when UM's are exposed to sexual behavior when they aren't yours. If you are going to do it in a park, on a holiday where many people picnic as a family, during the day then you are violating the rights of others to have a safe, non-adult oriented place to bring their children. And guess what? The kids come first. Their sexual pleasures don't even come a close second. They've got clubs, their home, friend's homes, motels, dressing rooms, and plenty of places at night where they can indulge.

The right to expect a park to be kid-friendly place comes well above our rights as kinksters. I sincerely hope a chat with a local law officer straightens these folks out the next time they are so self-serving. They have plenty of options whereas it's getting harder and harder for people who don't want their kids to see that sort of thing to find suitable destinations for family outings.

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RE: Public undressing of sub females - 5/30/2007 6:54:52 PM

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Not a good thing to play out a D/s scene in a public place for all the reasons cited above. Our lifestyle has enough problems trying to keep friendly and private places from being closed withhout creating more of a problem for ourselves by public displays bringing down the wrath of citizens and police..... In my opinion, have fun, enjoy, but in the proper setting and certainly out of the possible view of children or the police. We don't need the wrath of the public coming down on us.

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RE: Public undressing of sub females - 5/30/2007 6:58:34 PM

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Well, obviously then you would not be happy with laws in New York State parks where females are allowed to go completely topless, and from what I understand from trusted eyewitnesses frequently do, in full sight of families and children.

Even at a private party or bar if someone was upset enough upon witnessing a petting, shirt-raising incident, they could have the involved individuals arrested. I know of actual cases where a Dom was arrested for spanking his sub in their private home because the neighbors, yes children as well, heard the activity.
Some people are offended merely by seeing couples necking in public. The popular retort is GET A ROOM!
The reality few would care to accept is that many who would complain are hypocrites? possibly sexually frustrated? They have likely participated in the very same kinds of activities at some point in their lives, unless they grew up in a church.

Yes, there's obviously more when the the kinds of activities not involving actual nudity take place within a public place like a park.
Last I heard, some even vanilla couples enjoy that danger. It is the danger of being caught that makes it satisfying, even at the risk of children witnessing if they are not careful enough. Psychologists would attest to that fact.
It's human nature for some people. And who says human nature and the laws are always in perfect alignment.

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RE: Public undressing of sub females - 5/30/2007 7:27:33 PM

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First of all i HAVE to say if i had a UM with me, any UM, mine or not, and i stumbled onto this scene i would be very angry and if it would not expose the UM more i would make sure it was ended, SPECILY in a park on a holiday or weekend when UM's are not in school. i believe it is wrong to force my beliefes on others just as i do not want others forced on me. This includes nudity, sex, religion, music, politics, drugs, acholol, or even cigeret smoke.

my Master and i do mot play publicly at all. Even at play parties. i am a very very shy person, specialy with my body and i really have not ever had fantsies about public sex or nudity at all. my Master is very stingy and would never share me, expose me, or allow another to whip me or use me in any way. It seems to me that people in the BDSM community though kinky are much more aware of other peoples rights and the laws and i must say i think this is wonderful and shows honor and i believe honor is or should be a HUGE part of the BDSM D/s lifestyle.

Now with this said i also need to say that my Master does have fantasies anout exposeing me publicly and also makeing me perform oral sex on Him publicly. Now although this would make me very uncomfortable, humiliate me, and would NOT turn me on in any way i belong to my Master and i would never tell Him no ever so i would do it and He knows this. He does tease me, threten to expose me, and even go so far as to make me take my panties off in the restroom and give them to Him. IF He ever did decied to do this He would do it in a place a bit more adult, an adult shop, a bar or night club, a dark late night r rated movie, a dark drive in in His car, or possibly a play pary.

So Ron Sir i do not think you are alone at all. i think that is why there are BDSM clubs and play parties and look at half the pictures on here. i find the internet very public. there is no one checking IDs to get on CM. ANYONE can come here, you don't even have to log in, and see TONS of nude, Bondage, and sexualy exsplicid pictures. i do think there is a time and a place and to me it seems people in the BDSM community are not prudeish in their behavior but they do have a hightend scence of peoples rights and the law and i think that is wonderful and renews my pride in being part of this commnity.

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RE: Public undressing of sub females - 5/30/2007 7:35:27 PM

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For the 100th Time Sambamanslilgirl, there was absolutely no nudity involved, unless you consider brief exposure of panties and bra as nudity.

For everyone who has suddenly become so law conscious and legal.

Yes under some state obscenity laws, including New York, massaging over even a clothed genitals or a clothed female breast in public can be considered to be in violation of public obscenity laws.
But then again, so can most forms of sadomasochism, even in play, consensual and in private, including any form of restraint, bondage, spanking, whipping, any form of torture and etc.
Read for yourself: http://www.moralityinmedia.org/nolc/index.htm?statutesIndex.htm
We should all do our best to keep this stuff out of site of children. But please do not be so obsessed over the legality of public petting situations when you're not willing to recognize the same laws over sadomasochism.

You would call the cops on this happy couple enjoying a bit of perverted fun in the park. Would you like it if your well-meaning friend called the cops on you because he or she knew that you participated in activities in which the laws clearly consider as sadomasochism and equally perverted.

This is Collarme, afterall. Thanks

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RE: Public undressing of sub females - 5/30/2007 7:46:37 PM

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This is Collarme, afterall. Thanks

A lot of closed-minded people in this open forum, that is for sure!

What ever happened to explaining activities of others to the young-uns? "Yes, they are playing around with their clothes - that is not something you should be doing. You have better manners." My parents used other's behavior as good examples of what not to do. No one seems to mind all the murder on TV! How do explain murder to your children - or do you?

And how did America get populated with all those one-room log houses back in the 1800s? Do you think Ma&Pa went outside in the winter so the kids didn't see them fuck?

Ron - I'm with you on this one. Puritanical America needs to shut the fuck up.

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RE: Public undressing of sub females - 5/30/2007 7:51:48 PM

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Farieanne.
Thank you for that thoughtful, intelligent analysis.
Please be careful though when you describe the laws (refer to my other post).
Sorry everyone, I didn't mean when I initally posted this thread to post so much myself. I'll try to hold back from now on. Thanks.

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RE: Public undressing of sub females - 5/30/2007 7:53:41 PM

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Well, that sounds like one of my greatest fantasies.
When I have seen the word "humiliation" I have not really known what that meant. If that is humiliation, then that is what I like.

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RE: Public undressing of sub females - 5/30/2007 8:03:03 PM

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Well, obviously then you would not be happy with laws in New York State parks where females are allowed to go completely topless, and from what I understand from trusted eyewitnesses frequently do, in full sight of families and children.

Actually no, I don't care. Why? Because people know that is that is the law and they are aware of what their children may be exposed to. It's self-serving kinksters who don't care that families are not expecting to encounter such things that I object to.

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Even at a private party or bar if someone was upset enough upon witnessing a petting, shirt-raising incident, they could have the involved individuals arrested. I know of actual cases where a Dom was arrested for spanking his sub in their private home because the neighbors, yes children as well, heard the activity.
Some people are offended merely by seeing couples necking in public. The popular retort is GET A ROOM!
The reality few would care to accept is that many who would complain are hypocrites? possibly sexually frustrated? They have likely participated in the very same kinds of activities at some point in their lives, unless they grew up in a church.

Yes, there's obviously more when the the kinds of activities not involving actual nudity take place within a public place like a park.
Last I heard, some even vanilla couples enjoy that danger. It is the danger of being caught that makes it satisfying, even at the risk of children witnessing if they are not careful enough. Psychologists would attest to that fact.
It's human nature for some people. And who says human nature and the laws are always in perfect alignment.

All the studies in the world do not take away from the fact that you are not the parent of those children, you do not get to decide what they should be exposed to and considering how many options kinksters have for expressing their kinks and how few options parents seem to have, this sort of behavior is simply selfish.

It was a national holiday. Nobody was working. In the middle of a public park. Their right to enjoy sex does not trumph the right of a parent to take their child to a park in the middle of the day and not have them exposed to sexual behavior.

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