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RE: Public undressing of sub females - 5/31/2007 10:14:07 AM

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From a parent's POV....

A few weeks ago, my son an I went to a local neighborhood park; I saw few {what I can only guess was teenagers, possibly a couple in their early 20s} making out on a sleeping bag, nbd. My son played on the swings, then after a while, he came over to me and said they had put a blanket over them and that he had seen the boys penis, I was INFURIATED. I told me son it was time to go. I called 9-1-1 as were leaving to report what was going on, wrote down the license plate {only 2 cars in the lot, and we were in one of them}, wrote down a brief description and met a few cops at the corner. My son told them what he saw an I gave them the info I had taken; from what the officer said on the phone an hour later was they were both arrested on multiple charges as WELL as the person who was looking over the fence watching it. Plus, I pressed charges as well. Yes, if you are watching an act like that and do NOT report it, you can get in trouble as well. Our DA, Mayor and Police Chief are VERY big on that stuff, they want our children safe and not to be exposed to such 'adult matters.'

Their IS a line, each comunity draws that line; whatever happened to diecency?!

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RE: Public undressing of sub females - 5/31/2007 10:23:24 AM

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Most of the time if it looks like BS, smells like BS, you probably should not taste it to see if, in fact, it is BS.

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RE: Public undressing of sub females - 5/31/2007 10:24:02 AM

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*shrug* Personally I find nothing indecent about naked humans or humans having sex and have absolutely no problems with UMs viewing any standard normal casual sex act of adults. I'd be concerned about kinky, painful or extreme acts simply because not all UMs are able to process the complexity of those sorts of relationships- the same way I don't think UMs should watch parents fighting.

But that's just me.

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RE: Public undressing of sub females - 5/31/2007 10:27:56 AM

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*shrug* Personally I find nothing indecent about naked humans or humans having sex and have absolutely no problems with UMs viewing any standard normal casual sex act of adults. I'd be concerned about kinky, painful or extreme acts simply because not all UMs are able to process the complexity of those sorts of relationships- the same way I don't think UMs should watch parents fighting.

But that's just me.

This is a very interesting view but is not shared by many parents and there for if they dont want their children to see it (heck maybe even the children dont wana see it) then it is non consentual.

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RE: Public undressing of sub females - 5/31/2007 10:29:38 AM

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I think kids should see how people handle conflicts. The world is full of conflict and dealing with it in a healthy way sometimes involves "fighting" as in losing one's temper and even raising of voices. My parents had a rare argument in my presense.. I learned that people can loudy disagree, still be fair, and not hit below the belt....

The point of the matter is this... people have a right to take their kids to a public park designed for families, and not have them see some dude massaging his girl friend's clit... just my opinion

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RE: Public undressing of sub females - 5/31/2007 10:32:51 AM

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Oh brother, slaverosebeauty.
Comparing actual naked sex in public to some petting over clothes?
Really? And then making the leaping assumption one can be arrested for failing to report such petting to the police?
To think of all the petting I happened across at perceived private areas of my high school and college campuses in the past. These young couples could have filled an entire police paddy wagon!

As for MagiksSlave (hopefully I got the spelling right this time), is it really relevant whether this was a dom and sub couple or just a straight vanilla couple?
Is it really fair to assume D/S people have better manners and more common sense than vanilla people?

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RE: Public undressing of sub females - 5/31/2007 10:34:37 AM

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The point of the matter is this... people have a right to take their kids to a public park designed for families, and not have them see some dude massaging his girl friend's clit... just my opinion

But would you be ok with two adults having a screaming match?

I agree that UMs should be exposed to conflicts and learn healthy interactions with communication. But fighting itself among parents isn't something I'd be ok with.

Society generally says that naked humans enjoying sex is less decent than clothed humans screaming at eachother and thus is a bigger problem for Ums to be exposed to.

But it's really the same issue- we all have ideas on what our Ums should or should not be exposed to at certain ages. We can and should be enabled to make responsible choices to follows our own guidelines. However, that doesn't necessarily make the act itself wrong, simply what society in general follows along with and expects.

As I've said, if there is a public park that is not nudist based or sex positive, then of course people shouldn't go along there, do those things, and expect others to be happy with it. That doesn't mean the nudity or sex in public is bad, or even that Ums seeing it is bad- simply that some people are upset about it and have the belief that it is bad.

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RE: Public undressing of sub females - 5/31/2007 10:56:48 AM

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hold fast there madam, the lifestyle is under attack by those that say one thing while doing another, rest assured my comments about picking on gypsies, and doing nothing, is a first class example of what is going on at the moment! how those that wish to impose their will on others, usually for reasons they rarely accurately express in public, operate is to demonise one section of the area they wish to attack in the hope that the stoopid will allow them to lever their way in!
let those that are without sin cast the first stone, madam, there were no um's involved in ron's case, and there were none in any of the cases i have personally taken part in. my comment stands as it is. don't join in the hysteria just because it's there, or manufactured.

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People say we are under attack and maybe that is true, but the attack is only fed by people who do things like this (stripping in public). People have no repsect for those who have no respect for them.

^this is just arrant nonsense^

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to slaverosebeauty - 5/31/2007 11:08:04 AM

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you would do well, madam, to cast the first stone only if you are completely without sin. um's have seen penii since time immemorial, and sniggered about it, no harm done there! you take pride in the fact that you have got two teenagers on the sex offenders register if you feel ok with that. personally i would neither have done that, nor bragged about it!
will you burn their house down when they come and live in your neighbourhood later on?
a quiet word (or even a loud one) would have been sufficient, in the circumstances! bear in mind that should your peccadilloes become known to the police you were happily talking to, they will let the local newspapers know about you, and your outrage, and all the circumstances.

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RE: to slaverosebeauty - 5/31/2007 11:12:09 AM

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I haven't the foggiest idea on how to link to another thread.. but there is one going on now somewhere about the joys of outdoor sex. Including the anticipation of possible discovery.
Yet here when the post is pretty much about heavy petting in a park with very little genitalia if any showing, it degenerates into something totally different.
Why is that?

Edit: Okies, the topic did change while I was writing this? Or I'm losing it.

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RE: Public undressing of sub females - 5/31/2007 11:14:32 AM

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ORIGINAL: LuckyAlbatross

*shrug* Personally I find nothing indecent about naked humans or humans having sex and have absolutely no problems with UMs viewing any standard normal casual sex act of adults. I'd be concerned about kinky, painful or extreme acts simply because not all UMs are able to process the complexity of those sorts of relationships- the same way I don't think UMs should watch parents fighting.

But that's just me.

I think the (or one of the) main problem is that in a public situation where you don't know the child and aren't the parent - you just don't know if the child is able to handle that sort of stimulus.

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RE: Public undressing of sub females - 5/31/2007 11:15:56 AM

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I love the thought of sex in semi-private places parking garages, elevators, parks, etc etc etc. I don't know if I'll ever engaged in it. I doubt most people having sex in 'public' are trying to get UMs to watch. If you have such a problem with it, why not just ask them to stop? Chances are that if they KNEW someone was really watching they would have high tailed it out of there embarassed. Why try to ruin the lives of a couple of young 20 somethings by pressing charges? If someone is doing something that threatens me or my little cousin (the closest thing I have to a child), I just ask them to stop. Some of my acquaintences talk inappropriately about women and they have done it in front of my little cousin. I told them to stop. And that was the end of it.

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RE: Public undressing of sub females - 5/31/2007 11:17:26 AM

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I think the (or one of the) main problem is that in a public situation where you don't know the child and aren't the parent - you just don't know if the child is able to handle that sort of stimulus.

I don't think naked adults or casual sex making adults is something we need to worry about overstimulating. It's certainly less mindblowing than the Grand Canyon I think.

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to cjenny; - 5/31/2007 11:17:49 AM

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because some people prefer to cause a fuss or an argument, or start a war!

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RE: Public undressing of sub females - 5/31/2007 11:21:37 AM

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I think the (or one of the) main problem is that in a public situation where you don't know the child and aren't the parent - you just don't know if the child is able to handle that sort of stimulus.

I don't think naked adults or casual sex making adults is something we need to worry about overstimulating. It's certainly less mindblowing than the Grand Canyon I think.

That depends. The only person I know of who believed in showing kids scenes of naked people and videos of people have sex was Dr. John Money and from what I understand, never told the parents what he was up to and the children hated going to see him.

A child still has the right to consent to viewing sexual things and that consent should be obtained. Some are interested, some are not.

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RE: Public undressing of sub females - 5/31/2007 11:25:41 AM

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Okay, MasterStephen, I exaggerated a bit. Maybe the activity I described only took place during a period of about 20 minutes, rather than a half hour. The substance what I described was true.
Boy, I've guess I've had a pretty successful life as a voyeur. I was fortunate enough to have witnessed this and things I would consider even more provocative:
A lesbian couple weaking bikinis rolling around, petting and kissing each other, on the beach. A guy on a pier on a large lake giving his girlfriend, wearing a tank top, a prolonged breast massage.
More recently, I witnessed in NYC a female wearing a pair of tight jeans walking down Fifth Avenue, with two large holes completely cut out in the back, pretty much exposing her entire ass.
I was on one of those double decker city tour buses. It was the best part of the tour!
Lots of people nearby even possibly children for all of the above.
Maybe that's a good idea for a thread. Public scenes voyeuristically witnessed...

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RE: Public undressing of sub females - 5/31/2007 11:26:06 AM

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I think the (or one of the) main problem is that in a public situation where you don't know the child and aren't the parent - you just don't know if the child is able to handle that sort of stimulus.

I don't think naked adults or casual sex making adults is something we need to worry about overstimulating. It's certainly less mindblowing than the Grand Canyon I think.

ROFL!!!!!!!!! i need to ask my teenager about this - she has seen both!!!

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RE: Public undressing of sub females - 5/31/2007 11:27:29 AM

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A child still has the right to consent to viewing sexual things and that consent should be obtained. Some are interested, some are not.

I completely agree with that! Creating artificial situations is completely inappropriate especially when those situations counteract every social norm the child has been taught up to that point!

I'm just saying that if the world suddenly converted overnight and nudity and public sex were as ok and normal as clothed and hand holding, I don't think any negative consequences would be had from the UMs.

And of course the Um should be taught to say no, look away when they find something uninteresting, and inform an adult when there is a situation which occurs which they find inappropriate.

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RE: Public undressing of sub females - 5/31/2007 11:36:09 AM

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I'm just saying that if the world suddenly converted overnight and nudity and public sex were as ok and normal as clothed and hand holding, I don't think any negative consequences would be had from the UMs.

And of course the Um should be taught to say no, look away when they find something uninteresting, and inform an adult when there is a situation which occurs which they find inappropriate.

I agree with that. For me it's all about consent and knowing what each child could handle and making a responsible decision, which you just can't when you are messing around in the middle of a public place during the day.

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RE: Public undressing of sub females - 5/31/2007 11:47:40 AM

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I agree with that. For me it's all about consent and knowing what each child could handle and making a responsible decision, which you just can't when you are messing around in the middle of a public place during the day.

But that doesn't mean we should be paralyzed and not do ANYTHING we want because we don't have signed forms from everyone.

I can't say where the line is between your consent vs mine in public areas. I think loud interruptive noises are bad, running into people is bad, guns are bad, needles are bad, but nudity and public sex is no big deal.

And I completely understand what our standards actually ARE and have no activists desires to try and make a change towards how I feel they should be- so I don't do actually those things in parks, or if I do I try very hard to go to a private area in the park.

BTW this is also part of why I'm so against dress codes.

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