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RE: Why are Bitch Goddesses so erotic? - 6/14/2007 12:09:43 PM

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"One assumption that intrigued me was that a Bitch Goddess would be sexually aggressive and therefore free the male from the stress of seduction

In reality they tend to be Ice Queens - harder not easier than nillas to seduce. The paradox is that although she looks sexier than a nilla, but that doesn't mean she is an easy lay. Not at all. Teasing and denial are the the tools of the Bitch Goddess. A Bitch Goddess doesn't need to open her legs to keep a man. Bitch Goddesses f*ck with your head, not your dick.

Just an observation "

straight up and its the weaklings and insecure ones who can't deal with them facts. roflmao

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RE: Why are Bitch Goddesses so erotic? - 6/14/2007 12:14:25 PM

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ORIGINAL: samboct
"One assumption that intrigued me was that a Bitch Goddess would be sexually aggressive and therefore free the male from the stress of seduction

In reality they tend to be Ice Queens - harder not easier than nillas to seduce. The paradox is that although she looks sexier than a nilla, but that doesn't mean she is an easy lay. Not at all. Teasing and denial are the the tools of the Bitch Goddess. A Bitch Goddess doesn't need to open her legs to keep a man. Bitch Goddesses f*ck with your head, not your dick.

Just an observation "

straight up and its the weaklings and insecure ones who can't deal with them facts. roflmao

hehehehheheheh... poor things.

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RE: Why are Bitch Goddesses so erotic? - 6/14/2007 12:15:36 PM

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ORIGINAL: samboct
"One assumption that intrigued me was that a Bitch Goddess would be sexually aggressive and therefore free the male from the stress of seduction

In reality they tend to be Ice Queens - harder not easier than nillas to seduce. The paradox is that although she looks sexier than a nilla, but that doesn't mean she is an easy lay. Not at all. Teasing and denial are the the tools of the Bitch Goddess. A Bitch Goddess doesn't need to open her legs to keep a man. Bitch Goddesses f*ck with your head, not your dick.

Just an observation "

straight up and its the weaklings and insecure ones who can't deal with them facts. roflmao

and its the boo hoo I want to be equal to my dom whinney inferior feeling bois who cant deal and who complain the most about the strong confid powerful bitch goddesses that they'll neva have or can neva deal with. check it; they just cant take it and do most complaining and boohooin. they wish they can but they cant coz their to insecure in themselves to deal or appreciate it for its you know what

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RE: Why are Bitch Goddesses so erotic? - 6/14/2007 12:17:35 PM

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ORIGINAL: samboct
"One assumption that intrigued me was that a Bitch Goddess would be sexually aggressive and therefore free the male from the stress of seduction

In reality they tend to be Ice Queens - harder not easier than nillas to seduce. The paradox is that although she looks sexier than a nilla, but that doesn't mean she is an easy lay. Not at all. Teasing and denial are the the tools of the Bitch Goddess. A Bitch Goddess doesn't need to open her legs to keep a man. Bitch Goddesses f*ck with your head, not your dick.

Just an observation "

straight up and its the weaklings and insecure ones who can't deal with them facts. roflmao

hehehehheheheh... poor things.

HA

they know who they are. them are the ones that keeps on posting in here in the girl mistress sections and never hardly post anywhere else. and cooming in here complaining about bitches, or strong women or inequality. toughen up weaklings or get the hell out of Her kitchen.

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RE: Why are Bitch Goddesses so erotic? - 6/14/2007 12:33:55 PM

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I've obvserved that children can be quite cruel to each other without showing any signs of remorse. It is only when they are taught that such behavior is socially or morally unacceptable by those responsible for them or are mentors to them that said behavior begins to change. Thus, I'd agree that we are all inherently capable of cruelty toward others in a non-consensual manner until we are taught or conditioned otherwise.

Well, yes, to a point.

But I think you're missing some of my point.

What I said was that I don't think most are able to enjoy cruelty in that way.

With the notable exception of the beta dominance response, which is what appears to be the case with some of the behaviours in children. They find someone that they don't like, and they are cruel to that person; it is a dominance game between biological betas. Exclusion might be a subset of this, or it might be a different mechanism altogether.

I would also note that children do not have what is known as a "theory of mind".

That completely changes the analysis.

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I also do not believe we reach a plane of higher social, human or spiritual consciousness until we are open to it through self exploration. IMO, it is a state that can only be reached through instrospection and is not one that is just part of a person's natural evolution or development without action on their part.

Must... not... agree... with... pixelslave... argh! I would have to agree with this.

I'm also impressed to find a parent that readily admits that children are cruel. Most I have spoken to completely block the idea from their minds, especially concerning their own children. As I sometimes say, "innocence" has as many negative as positive connotations, and children are usually patently selfish, often what many would call "evil".

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RE: Why are Bitch Goddesses so erotic? - 6/14/2007 1:26:01 PM

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I am not quite sure they are! erotic!
Dominant women facinate me because i enjoy being kinky with them.

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RE: Why are Bitch Goddesses so erotic? - 6/14/2007 3:21:36 PM

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FYI- I largely concur with your viewpoint- I think we're on the same page. And if you want to read a scary book about the cruelty of children- may I suggest "Let's go play at the Adams's by Mendal W. Johnson? I read it years ago- still strikes a note of fear.

Sam

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RE: Why are Bitch Goddesses so erotic? - 6/14/2007 3:27:05 PM

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ORIGINAL: GuidingLite

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ORIGINAL: GuidingLite

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ORIGINAL: samboct
"One assumption that intrigued me was that a Bitch Goddess would be sexually aggressive and therefore free the male from the stress of seduction

In reality they tend to be Ice Queens - harder not easier than nillas to seduce. The paradox is that although she looks sexier than a nilla, but that doesn't mean she is an easy lay. Not at all. Teasing and denial are the the tools of the Bitch Goddess. A Bitch Goddess doesn't need to open her legs to keep a man. Bitch Goddesses f*ck with your head, not your dick.

Just an observation "

straight up and its the weaklings and insecure ones who can't deal with them facts. roflmao

and its the boo hoo I want to be equal to my dom whinney inferior feeling bois who cant deal and who complain the most about the strong confid powerful bitch goddesses that they'll neva have or can neva deal with. check it; they just cant take it and do most complaining and boohooin. they wish they can but they cant coz their to insecure in themselves to deal or appreciate it for its you know what

GuildingLite

Awesome reply!!!!!!!!!!!

That's funny I've noticed the samething in this forum.

Diane

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RE: Why are Bitch Goddesses so erotic? - 6/14/2007 6:22:09 PM

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ORIGINAL: pixelslave

I've obvserved that children can be quite cruel to each other without showing any signs of remorse. It is only when they are taught that such behavior is socially or morally unacceptable by those responsible for them or are mentors to them that said behavior begins to change. Thus, I'd agree that we are all inherently capable of cruelty toward others in a non-consensual manner until we are taught or conditioned otherwise.

Well, yes, to a point.

But I think you're missing some of my point.

What I said was that I don't think most are able to enjoy cruelty in that way.

I see them enjoy or engage in cruel behavior in a variety of ways. Sometimes it is clearly what appears to me to be an expression of dominance, while at other times it is an acting out of other repressed feelings that can be safely expressed toward other children; but not toward adults who they perceive as holding more power and thus must be obeyed. Then there are the times when I see it happen for no apparent reason that I personally can explain. The latter is the part which for obvious reasons concerns me the most.

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I also do not believe we reach a plane of higher social, human or spiritual consciousness until we are open to it through self exploration. IMO, it is a state that can only be reached through instrospection and is not one that is just part of a person's natural evolution or development without action on their part.

Must... not... agree... with... pixelslave... argh! I would have to agree with this.

ROTFLMAO!

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I'm also impressed to find a parent that readily admits that children are cruel. Most I have spoken to completely block the idea from their minds, especially concerning their own children. As I sometimes say, "innocence" has as many negative as positive connotations, and children are usually patently selfish, often what many would call "evil".

Did I say I was talking about my little angels?

Acually, I'll readily admit they do know how to be cruel to one another, most often when they're angry at something else and don't know how to express their feelings in any other way; needing help from an adult to sort their feelings out then express them in a healthier manner for all involved.

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RE: Why are Bitch Goddesses so erotic? - 6/14/2007 6:27:53 PM

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ORIGINAL: DianeB269

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ORIGINAL: GuidingLite

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ORIGINAL: GuidingLite

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ORIGINAL: samboct
"One assumption that intrigued me was that a Bitch Goddess would be sexually aggressive and therefore free the male from the stress of seduction

In reality they tend to be Ice Queens - harder not easier than nillas to seduce. The paradox is that although she looks sexier than a nilla, but that doesn't mean she is an easy lay. Not at all. Teasing and denial are the the tools of the Bitch Goddess. A Bitch Goddess doesn't need to open her legs to keep a man. Bitch Goddesses f*ck with your head, not your dick.

Just an observation "

straight up and its the weaklings and insecure ones who can't deal with them facts. roflmao

and its the boo hoo I want to be equal to my dom whinney inferior feeling bois who cant deal and who complain the most about the strong confid powerful bitch goddesses that they'll neva have or can neva deal with. check it; they just cant take it and do most complaining and boohooin. they wish they can but they cant coz their to insecure in themselves to deal or appreciate it for its you know what

GuildingLite

Awesome reply!!!!!!!!!!!

That's funny I've noticed the samething in this forum.

Diane

<<<< high five >>>>>

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RE: Why are Bitch Goddesses so erotic? - 6/14/2007 9:52:54 PM

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I see them enjoy or engage in cruel behavior in a variety of ways. [...]

So far, we can explain these with what I called the beta dominance response.

In short, they're asserting themselves over those they like less, and submitting to those they like more, and sometimes directing their frustrations elsewhere (young dogs / old pups do this too, if you frustrate them, or if you get them worked up with no place to put it).

I'm not saying I have a problem saying "this is cruel, and s/he likes it" about what a kid is doing, just that I'm reluctant to say "this kid is being cruel, knows it, and likes it, for its own sake". It just seems to me that the combination of lacking a "theory of mind" (which is fundamental to truly understanding the effects on the other person), and that bit about beta animals vying for dominance and pack acceptance, could explain it better.

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Then there are the times when I see it happen for no apparent reason that I personally can explain. The latter is the part which for obvious reasons concerns me the most.

~nod~

It's always hard on a parent when something is a problem and doesn't make any sense.

I can't comment without the specifics, unfortunately.

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ROTFLMAO!

Well, we do have a certain history of being on nearly diametrically opposite sides of an issue, no?

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Did I say I was talking about my little angels?

If your like humor and a bit of drama, you should have a look at the Venus Envy webcomic.

The "little angel" (conscience) and "little demon" (temptation) we sometimes get to see arguing over what the main character should do are cute and hilarious. "Why do you have those?" ... "Weeelll, for educational purposes?". Inviting other people's inner voices over for popcorn on debate night is also real funny.

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Acually, I'll readily admit they do know how to be cruel to one another, most often when they're angry at something else and don't know how to express their feelings in any other way; needing help from an adult to sort their feelings out then express them in a healthier manner for all involved.

That's kind of what I was getting at in my original post on this ...

I don't know if I'm getting the point across better now?

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RE: Why are Bitch Goddesses so erotic? - 6/19/2007 5:48:38 AM

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Another strange thing I have noticed about men attracted to Femdoms instead of submissive or vanilla women: often the man is not actually submissive, but he has a "shameful" sexual issue and wants an understanding partner

For example, one partner (a surgeon) explained to me that he dated Dominas because - unlike conventional women - they were unfazed by his impotence. Dominas can enjoy different (perhaps more creative?) forms of sexual expression which do not require the male to get and maintain an erection. Impotence was not something conventional women could cope with for long. He found that vanilla and submissive women required vaginal penetration (and lots of it!) to feel "really loved" (and secure in the relationship - he was, after all, a handsome doctor :).

Another man (this time a really gorgeous IT lawyer) only dated Dominas because they didn't give a damn about his cross dressing. Ordinary women were totally freaked out over it. Another dated Dominas becuase they were sexually experimental and independent thinkers.

Interesting thing is, none of these guys were submissive.

IMO a good Dominatrix is much more than "dominant" and that is her real allure.

A well trained Dominatrix learns to handle all kinds of unusual male sexuality with sensitivity and respect. After all, we deal in the dark realms of male sexual perversion. We are privy to men's deepest darkest fantasies and secrets. We need to listen, understand and accept the man as the sexual being he truly is, not as society tells him to be. And in return we are rewarded with insight into the depths of other people's souls. We see the raw truth no-one - absolutely no-one, not even their wives - will ever see.

It seems to me this is why most men are so attracted to Dominas. Most of them want unconditonal acceptance (of their kinkiness), not straight domination. In my experience, anyway.

I think once lifestyle Dominas women realise this, they will be less scathing of men approaching them with castration fantasies and other strange (by mainstream standards) sexual deviations. Men entrust Dominatrices with their very souls and ask us to love them just the way they are - totally perverted.

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RE: Why are Bitch Goddesses so erotic? - 6/19/2007 6:11:42 AM

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I think that for these fetish submissives with particular kinks they would fend much much better with top service partners as opposed to female dominants. Submitting to having one's kinks attended to is in a different realm altogether than submitting to a woman.

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RE: Why are Bitch Goddesses so erotic? - 6/19/2007 6:50:28 AM

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I think that for these fetish submissives with particular kinks they would fend much much better with top service partners as opposed to female dominants. Submitting to having one's kinks attended to is in a different realm altogether than submitting to a woman.

Great post LadyClaudiaVan, we see plenty of Service Tops around here.
I agree the Service Tops and the bottom boys belong together.

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RE: Why are Bitch Goddesses so erotic? - 6/19/2007 7:34:44 AM

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I think that for these fetish submissives with particular kinks they would fend much much better with top service partners as opposed to female dominants. Submitting to having one's kinks attended to is in a different realm altogether than submitting to a woman.

Better yet, why not seek out the services of a professional dominant? Unlike the inexperienced professionals who I used to frequent way before there was any above-ground community, the currently available play for pay professionals are almost all heavily involved in the scene and have vast knowledge and expertise to call upon. In this way, a sub can "interview" a professional to find one who closely matches his or her kinks, fetishes, and what have you.

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RE: Why are Bitch Goddesses so erotic? - 6/20/2007 9:13:40 AM

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as a sub here, i must admit that a bitch dom fem is exciting because of the humiliation factor. it is the humiliation of being used, abused and discarded that excite me the most, to be taken advantage of and getting nothing in return except the thrill of being humiliated by a superior woman

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