Focus50 -> RE: How many Doms were subs first? (6/16/2007 6:58:38 PM)
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ORIGINAL: Focus50 Surely understanding dominance and submission in the context of an *alternative lifestyle* and as fulfilling individual primal and/or sexual needs is a whole lot simpler when you don't confuse it with what one does to pay the bills and generally survive, no? This is a lifestyle site, NOT a career site. Possible prejudices aside, does a homosexual's job need to reflect the dynamic of his/her sexuality and relationships? Can't it just be a job - for paying the bills etc? Your assuming I talking specifically about this. Its a lifestyle site and the relationships in this lifestyle dont solely revolve around intimacy and service. Many people who label themselves as submissives or slave have relationships that would be identical to a housekeeping job except for lack of pay. Right; it's still about individual need and choices - which isn't necessarily the case with one's job. quote:
Much mighty DOMINANT that I *obviously* am, I don't own the company where I work nor am I even the manager! <gasp> But my Dom hard-wiring still plays a role because it IS who I am. The boss man tells me what order he wants particular jobs done but he does not presume to tell me how to do them. And when we do have a difference of opinion, rest assured I'm not one to just stand there all head-bowed and dumb-struck "taking my medicine" just because he's tha boss. quote:
Well...thats kind of a negative stereotype that people who submit are all head bowed and dumb struck and "take your medicine". No, it's merely sarcasm about myself and that I do NOT dominate any and all outside of my personal relationships. quote:
Surely, though your big bad dominance would be tempered by a line that you dont cross because it would result in you losing your job. Fear of losing my job is never an issue, it doesn't control me, but yes, there is still a line there - that I'm not an ill-mannered, boorish arsehole. quote:
Now...if you are Dominant and you can manage to work under the authority of a boss without losing your job out of a "need" for money...without being "less" Dominant. Then why cant someone who is Dominant...submit in the context of a M/S or D/S relationship for a brief period of time...out of a "need or want" for experience or learning? Keep in mind this "submission" will have very little to do with intimacy, sex, or being "dumbstruck or head bowed" all the time. How do you retain your Dominant status when doing something out of a "need" for money but a Dominant who does something out of a "need" for experience or learning is somehow less Domly or not Dominant or hard wired differently then you or confused about who they are or clearly "gasp" a Switch? Because a job is still just a means for surviving. I think your excuse of a Dom "needing" to submit for "experience or learning" is a crock. You're entitled to describe yourself however you want but no matter how you wanna dress it up or explain it away, a dom with a need to submit is a switch at best - and that's the issue you should address rather than casting dispersions on every other Dom who does NOT "need" to submit or "get past" whatever! C'mon - exactly what is it you think you're gonna learn or experience through submitting to someone - to be a better Dom? pfft Is it possible I could be a "better" hetero if I'd sought out a gay experience, for eg? Cross-dressing would make me more appreciative of being a man? Certainly a few days in Iraq or Somalia would make me appreciate life in Oz - granted. But it just ain't a need, either. lol quote:
In the outside world, being a Dom tends to manifest itself slightly differently to my relationships in that I will NOT be dominated, disrespected or talked down to in general. If that means "creating a scene", even one that may cause embarrassment or violence, so be it.... quote:
Well...since your confusing dominance with indignation, I can see where this line of thinking is coming from. Many dominants go threw life without creating scenes or getting violent simply because their ego got offended... Many Dominants and Masters have spent time in the military. Are they really Switches or not hard wired as Dominants because they developed the discipline and self control not to explode into violence or an embaressing scene when disrespected and talked down to by their drill instructions? This is just getting silly! Generally the only people who get pushed around are those who enable it - ask any bully. In my 53yrs, I've actually been involved in very few scenes or violence etc, simply because I won't back down from its possibility. No bruised ego necessary.... And I wouldn't know about the military - I can respect authority etc but I suck at taking orders; military was definitely not an option for me. quote:
Essentially...it seems what your saying is your Dominant and everyone who is different than you is not really Dominant. Wrong again - I'm saying a Dom with a need to submit is not a Dominant - still ain't rocket science.... quote:
But within my relationships, I do run the show, make the rules etc, because that IS my need and desire. Logically, I can even choose to submit, too - it just won't be happening because it's not hard-wired into me. quote:
Agreed! And choosing to serve as a learning experience doesnt do anything to my need or desire to run the show in an intimate relationship...no more than being able to work under a boss out of a need for money affects my Dominant identity. I will also agree wholeheartedly that you cant submit in the context of such a setting, because your ego and stubborn indignation you have described here certainly wont allow it. Some people are able to get past that. Thing is I'm 53 (almost), NOT 23! I figured out my needs and sexuality years ago and actually don't need to "get past" anything - very comfortable in my own skin, thankya muchly. I can't help thinking you're clinging to the tag of "Dominant" because of an immature belief that it's a status symbol; top of the BDSM food chain etc, when the truth is a Dom is only boss of his own relationship. Be a Dom with a need to submit by all means, it IS your right. What a potential sub in your life makes of that is entirely up to her - don't envy her situation though.... And I actually admire that you're convinced all other non-submitting Dom/mes are the ones confused and out of step with reality etc, rather than just you. *wink* Focus.
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