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RE: Submissive's Lib (or, submissive jerks) - 6/18/2007 3:22:50 PM   
Politesub53


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" If a Domme demanded a flower from her sub I wouldn't go so far as saying that is a "tribute"... but I also don't think it has much joy factor to it "

Try taking someone a single flower, a year after She has told You Her favourite species and colour.... Its worth it just to see the smile it brings, knowing You remembered a passing comment in conversation.

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RE: Submissive's Lib (or, submissive jerks) - 6/18/2007 3:25:08 PM   
SDFemDom4cuck


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" If a Domme demanded a flower from her sub I wouldn't go so far as saying that is a "tribute"... but I also don't think it has much joy factor to it "

Try taking someone a single flower, a year after She has told You Her favourite species and colour.... Its worth it just to see the smile it brings, knowing You remembered a passing comment in conversation.



That is exactly it. Something said in an off hand casual manner that is then remembered sometime in the future. That, to me, is beyond thoughtful and sweet. you get it politesub!

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RE: Submissive's Lib (or, submissive jerks) - 6/18/2007 4:49:56 PM   
VeryMercurial


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Thank you for a well thought out and written observation, Akasha.
I can relate to just about everything you wrote here.

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RE: Submissive's Lib (or, submissive jerks) - 6/18/2007 5:10:10 PM   
hereyesruponyou


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Maybe it's because i get so much out of picking up little things for friends and family all the time that i don't get why others would not want to do the same. Whether it's a book, a card, a magnet or my lover's favorite ice cream, i do so love the light that comes into almost anyone's face when they realise you cherish them and thought of them

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RE: Submissive's Lib (or, submissive jerks) - 6/18/2007 5:12:55 PM   
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ORIGINAL: KaramelGoddess
All I can say is that you have proven to be a very self-centred person.  You seem to think that a lot of posts here are directed towards you.  I was replying to LadyIce, not to you.  And I think her post was meant for others who have critiqued the OP, not just you.  


Here is your prior post to which I responded.

quote:

ORIGINAL: KaramelGoddess

quote:

ORIGINAL: LadyIce

This is the Ask A Mistress board, sea.
I don't think the Mistresses here, need to get advice from submissives on what
topics they wish to discuss.
If you do not like the OP's topic, no need to read it or keep commenting on it.
The OP had a right to start the topic and I have an issue with people that attempt to
control or manipulate topics, because they are uncomfortable with them.
If you do not like this topic, could it be because it hits to close to home?
politesub, I agree with the other ladies you are sweet.


*ooo* LadyIce I agree with you...all I can say now is yet another can of worms has been opened and I'm getting My bug spray ready!  LOL!  Good luck *lends you Her flame-retardant suit*
~Kara


The post by LadyIce specifically addresses me.

When you post to agree with a post that says all this specifically to me and then make reference to bug spray and a flame retardent suit, it feels to me that you are saying the same to me and then some. If I have misinterpretted your intent, I apologize. Would you please clarify what you instead meant?

If I came to learn a post I made inadvertently came across as an attack to you, I would clarify that to do so was not my intent instead of calling you self centered.

My response to other posts have occurred because these posts referenced a position I hold (passing on profiles that demand tribute, feeling that it is fair for me to expect equality with respect to basic worth) but attributed a reason for this position with which I disgaree.

It is fair for me to respond to posts about which I have an opinion. It is fair for me to respond to posts that address me specifically by name, or that mischaracterize a position I hold.

Cheers,

Sea

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RE: Submissive's Lib (or, submissive jerks) - 6/18/2007 5:20:47 PM   
undergroundsea


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ORIGINAL: pixelslave
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I object to the generalizations in the original post because I do not (dis?)agree with them. And I feel some of these generalization are directed at me. It is fair for me to object and disagree.  (Was the dis in this quote in blue an error Sea?)



Your are correct, Pixel. The sentence should have been I disagree or I do not agree. I disagreed and not agreed with it so much, I tried to put in both expressions ;-)

Cheers,

Sea

< Message edited by undergroundsea -- 6/18/2007 5:21:17 PM >

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RE: Submissive's Lib (or, submissive jerks) - 6/18/2007 5:23:18 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Politesub53

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"... but I also don't think it has much joy factor to it "



Ooh!!  Did someone mention my name?!?! 

(Just a stupid joke. Don't do it pixel.) 

This thread has been a lot of fun! 

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RE: Submissive's Lib (or, submissive jerks) - 6/18/2007 7:54:42 PM   
KaramelGoddess


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Fair enough.  LadyIce's post's first sentence was addressed to you.
My post was directed to Her.  Nothing more, nothing less. 
 
And to be quite honest, unless a post was made in reply to something I had posted or My name was called in the post I wouldn't think it was about Me at all.  I take generalizations/sweeping statements with a grain of salt (most of the time).
 
Now we can go back and forth over what posts mean etc. etc. but I don't wish to, so I consider the topic of "what I meant to say..." dropped.  It's your choice to continue it..or not.
 
~Kara

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RE: Submissive's Lib (or, submissive jerks) - 6/18/2007 7:57:48 PM   
KaramelGoddess


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ORIGINAL: SDFemDom4cuck

quote:

ORIGINAL: Politesub53

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" If a Domme demanded a flower from her sub I wouldn't go so far as saying that is a "tribute"... but I also don't think it has much joy factor to it "

Try taking someone a single flower, a year after She has told You Her favourite species and colour.... Its worth it just to see the smile it brings, knowing You remembered a passing comment in conversation.



That is exactly it. Something said in an off hand casual manner that is then remembered sometime in the future. That, to me, is beyond thoughtful and sweet. you get it politesub!


Can we clone politesub and send one of him to Bermuda please????????? 
Gah!!! I'm supposed to be on vacation, it's past My bedtime. Night night all!
~Kara

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RE: Submissive's Lib (or, submissive jerks) - 6/18/2007 8:26:27 PM   
submarriner


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To the group,
Allow me to provide an alternative point of view. Some of the submissives you have grouped together are probably guilty of your charges, some are men with relationship difficulties, some are just tying to get laid kinky style, some are just rude individuals who don't know better, and then there are submissives like myself who want a relationship with a dominant female but not at the expense of losing all dignity. I don't enjoy humiliation, but for the right woman would tolerate for a limited time to meet her needs. I see a relationship as a two way street, I give some to get some (giving and getting do not have to be equal as long as both parties are satisfied in the amount of give and take). The giving and getting are negotiated between parties so that both are mutually benefited. As a submissive, why would I want to belong to a Mistress who only takes without giving something back? Human being can be unselfish for a time but if selflessness is constant and continual eventually frustration occurs and resentment builds. I don't understand cuckholds, but considering my lack of understanding, I would make a terrible cuckhold, and you have to have an understanding of your desires in order to satisfy your needs. This is not an advertisement as I am not looking for a partner at this time, but I interject my situation to help explain that some submissives are people too; after all submissive is not equal to doormat.

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RE: Submissive's Lib (or, submissive jerks) - 6/18/2007 8:44:22 PM   
chiaThePet


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ORIGINAL: MistressDolly


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ORIGINAL: chiaThePet

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ORIGINAL: MistressDolly

Very diplomatic.


Dearest MistressDolly,

Thank You Mamm

Respectfully, chia* (the pet) 


you're welcome.

Mind your spelling, chia...
*wink


Dearest MistressDolly,

Your directive is given proper and due notice.

There is the much accepted and respectful usage and address of Ma'am.

Then there is the chia* pet lovingly bestowed usage of Mamm,

Most Adored Magnificent Mistress.

Not buying it? Ok, it was worth a try, You got me, i blush with embarrassment.

Respectfully, chia* 'or perhaps mine would be better' (the pet)

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RE: Submissive's Lib (or, submissive jerks) - 6/18/2007 8:44:44 PM   
MsRose


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ORIGINAL: undergroundsea

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ORIGINAL: MsRose
A thought just came to me, and I'd like to know (merely out of curiousity) what it would be like if Aakasha and Sea were to meet in person.


If you are trying to set us up, she is happily married ;-)



No, I had no ulterior motives or hidden agenda. Just remarking on how passionately your responses have been and was merely pondering... :)

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RE: Submissive's Lib (or, submissive jerks) - 6/18/2007 10:14:56 PM   
chiaThePet


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ORIGINAL: undergroundsea

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ORIGINAL: chiaThePet
sea said;

It took about 34 posts for any constructive discussion to begin on this topic. The constructive discussion in this thread did not occur until the initial energy was diffused.

Whoaaaa, hang on there judge and jury of the constructive consenus.


Hi Chia,

Oops.

Indeed there were posts by Little Sarbon, Cloud Boy, yourself, Lady Hugs, Hereyesupon you and perhaps others that explained thoughts and feelings before the discussion as a whole became more balanced. The shift in energy or towards discussion was not sudden but a drift that occurred over several posts. In my opinion, the general energy of the thread began to settle down after that by Lady Pact in post 46 and others that followed. So, yes, I consider my first set of posts to have occurred at a time when the energy was still riled up and consider some of my posts to contribute to this energy. I do not mean to say that no one offered any discussion until the energy calmed. What I mean to say is that there was little engaging discussion where people listened to or responded to thoughts behind feelings. In majority of the first several posts, the energy was defensive and exchanges back and forth did not address the matter of discussion. If the thread had stopped on the first or second page, I don't think it could be said to have the kind of discussion we can now consider it to have.

By backing up the post number from 46 to 34 to include those by Lady Hugs and Hereyesuponyou, I have given the wrong impression by excluding some posts that took a step further towards discussion and suggesting that I consider my posts exempt. I do not present my posts to be any higher and it would indeed be pretentious for me to hold my posts above those of others. Had I recognized at that time the impression I was conveying, I would have corrected it. That impression was inadvertent, for which I apologize.

Cheers,

Sea




sea, thank you taking note of my words to you. To myself, it is most important
that we not discount the thoughts, feelings and emotions of other individuals
within the forums. We each hold within us the heartfelt understanding of issues
as they identify to us personally. We all rise from that which has shaped our
pattern of thoughts and reasoning, most times unique from those around us.
From which book of laws shall we condemn and predominate, our own, that
of another being whom offers preponderant opinion, existing in ivory towers
of fatuous illusion? Or shall we let the masses speak of that which erupts in
essential desire, which is luminous of their hearts and minds? Some will wax
poetic, a mesmerizing, hypnotic dance of trance, some will splash about in
whirlpools of silly symphonies, gleefully goating their ticklish temperment, 
some will stand sturdy with commands of suitability, creased and pressed
of formality, some will gently touch as a whisper, a meek and hesitant breath,
some will advance with sword and shield drawn, to rob, kill and destroy,
some will not come at all, fearful of painful wound and mortal destruction.
The paragon is fleeting and oh so difficult to obtain, and as has been true
here, let them speak, and eventually they will hear one another, no matter
the voices, no matter the path traveled, no matter the meticulous manner
they choose to embrace or deplore. Each voice is a thread in the fabric
of our collective understanding, regardless of our specific taste of adornment.

Respectfully, chia* (the pet)    

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Love is a many splendid sting.

You can stick me in the corner, but I'll probably just end up coloring on the walls.

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RE: Submissive's Lib (or, submissive jerks) - 6/18/2007 10:44:29 PM   
pixelslave


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ORIGINAL: AAkasha
The people that have seen it as an "us vs. them" mentality chose to look at it that way. Many others did not and this has turned into a great discussion and is still going.  Sorry you could not see it that way. 


Akasha,
I don't think that I'm the only submissive who participates in this forum who sees your OP as generally slanted toward creating an "us vs. them" atmosphere!   As has been noted by others, it was 30 to 40+ posts into this thread before anything positive began to result from it.  While I've seen some useful information exchanged, I'm still not certain we're not watching a train wreck that's happening in slow motion.  But that's just my personal opinion and only time will tell.
 
 
quote:


When I read a post that takes issues with ways femdoms behave, I don't immediately take offense. I consider the issue presented, look at my own behavior and measure it against the credibility of the OP and decide from there whether or not I want to chime in on it. No need to get offended if I don't think it applies to me.


No offense, but when was the last time you saw a serious post that took issue with the way femdoms behave that was posted by a submissive??  I'm certain it's happened, but it's a very rare event here at best. 
 
Yet posts which denigrate submissives or complain about them for various reasons are very common on this board.  Given that context, I honestly don't think your analogy is at all a fair one.  We're clearly in the minority, don't have the same "power" in relationships as the women we seek to meet, are not given the same respect when we post that's typically given all the ladies of the forum, and we are regularly criticised as a group for things that individuals have done whether they're actually confirmed to be submissives or not.  To me, this seems quite unfair to the submissives who take their time to try and participate here!
 
Last fall, "do me" and "wanker" posts from newbie subs and GNC's were quite common here.  By comparison, in the last 6 months how many of those have you seen?  I think as a group, the quality of the submissives available for the ladies on CM to meet or correspond with has vastly improved.  Yet to post in a manner that paints us all with one single brush as a group, to my way of thinking seems quite unfair and serves no purpose other than to polarize the dommes and subs into separate groups on opposite sides of a great divide.  You may think you've turned the tide and brought us back together, but I must respectfully disagree with your assessment of the situation.
 
 - pixel

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RE: Submissive's Lib (or, submissive jerks) - 6/18/2007 11:34:50 PM   
chiaThePet


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Deja Vu

Is it me?

Really?

Is it just me?

Respectfully, chia* (the pet)

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Love is a many splendid sting.

You can stick me in the corner, but I'll probably just end up coloring on the walls.

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RE: Submissive's Lib (or, submissive jerks) - 6/19/2007 12:55:09 AM   
joyinslavery


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ORIGINAL: pixelslave

Akasha,
I don't think that I'm the only submissive who participates in this forum who sees your OP as generally slanted toward creating an "us vs. them" atmosphere!    

Yet posts which denigrate submissives or complain about them for various reasons are very common on this board.  Given that context, I honestly don't think your analogy is at all a fair one.  We're clearly in the minority, don't have the same "power" in relationships as the women we seek to meet, are not given the same respect when we post that's typically given all the ladies of the forum, and we are regularly criticised as a group for things that individuals have done whether they're actually confirmed to be submissives or not.  To me, this seems quite unfair to the submissives who take their time to try and participate here!
 
Yet to post in a manner that paints us all with one single brush as a group, to my way of thinking seems quite unfair and serves no purpose other than to polarize the dommes and subs into separate groups on opposite sides of a great divide.  You may think you've turned the tide and brought us back together, but I must respectfully disagree with your assessment of the situation.
 
 - pixel


Well done and agreed. 

But that's just the opinion of a 'submissive jerk' (I'm talking about me, NOT you pixel). 

Now, if you'll excuse me, I need to finish reading my Gloria Steinam book and burning my briefs.  We SHALL overcome!!!


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RE: Submissive's Lib (or, submissive jerks) - 6/19/2007 2:08:55 AM   
Politesub53


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ORIGINAL: KaramelGoddess

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ORIGINAL: SDFemDom4cuck

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ORIGINAL: Politesub53

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" If a Domme demanded a flower from her sub I wouldn't go so far as saying that is a "tribute"... but I also don't think it has much joy factor to it "

Try taking someone a single flower, a year after She has told You Her favourite species and colour.... Its worth it just to see the smile it brings, knowing You remembered a passing comment in conversation.



That is exactly it. Something said in an off hand casual manner that is then remembered sometime in the future. That, to me, is beyond thoughtful and sweet. you get it politesub!


Can we clone politesub and send one of him to Bermuda please????????? 
Gah!!! I'm supposed to be on vacation, it's past My bedtime. Night night all!
~Kara


Hi Maam...obedientYYC  was also saying the same as me. i simply pointed out the joy i had from bringing joy ( look joy 2 mentions.... opps three now  Lol  ) to someone.
As for cloning me, thats fine but can i be taller, and slimmer please. Now where did i leave those Bermuda shorts ?


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RE: Submissive's Lib (or, submissive jerks) - 6/19/2007 3:54:40 AM   
sub7boy


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ORIGINAL: gooddogbenji

Yes, but you are all money grubbing, selfish, obese, bitchy, fake, wannabe hookers in drag, no?

Yours,

benji

Edited to add:  Can I worship your ass?


Nice response!

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RE: Submissive's Lib (or, submissive jerks) - 6/19/2007 4:09:30 AM   
undergroundsea


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ORIGINAL: MsRose
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ORIGINAL: undergroundsea
If you are trying to set us up, she is happily married ;-)

No, I had no ulterior motives or hidden agenda. Just remarking on how passionately your responses have been and was merely pondering... :)


The presidential debates wouldn't hold a candle to the discussions here, huh? ;-)

I was just being silly and injecting humor. Your post suggests only genuine intent and was amongst those that had a calming, positive effect on the discussion. So I thank you for it :)

Cheers,

Sea

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RE: Submissive's Lib (or, submissive jerks) - 6/19/2007 4:44:49 AM   
undergroundsea


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ORIGINAL: AAkasha
The people that have seen it as an "us vs. them" mentality chose to look at it that way. Many others did not and this has turned into a great discussion and is still going.  Sorry you could not see it that way.  When I read a post that takes issues with ways femdoms behave, I don't immediately take offense. I consider the issue presented, look at my own behavior and measure it against the credibility of the OP and decide from there whether or not I want to chime in on it. No need to get offended if I don't think it applies to me.


What happens when a sub comes and makes a post questioning or criticising financial domination?

You do not actively participate in financial domination yet you respond to such threads. You may or may not take offense but I am sure at least some of the time you must feel frustrated for seeing the negativity and repeated complaints. I am sure there must be examples of posts where you posted in frustration simply because you felt a post did not have intelligent basis. Neither of these responses is wrong and most people respond the same way. Subs are also human and feel the same frustration.

I would like to emphasize that I use the example below to convey a point and do not hold or suggest any lack of regard for married dommes. There are married dommes I know from my circle of friends and acquaintances from RL scenes as well on this forum whom I regard well.

But to take a hypothetical scenario, what if there was a post here from a sub that spoke negatively of married dommes, and attributed intentions to them that are untrue. Would you not feel the post was directed against you because of a generalization against dommes with a position you hold? Would you not post to counter that claim?

Cheers,

Sea

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