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RE: public leash - 7/1/2007 11:03:09 PM

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"Well behaved women rarely make history"

Celeste ... would I do it in front of my mother? No, she's long passed away ... would I do it in front of my father? No ... he's 84 and way past having to fathom his youngest daughter is a dominatrix ... would I do it in front of the rest of my family ... bloody aye ... they all know about me and my proclivities ... that's 13 older siblings and 34 nephews and neices not to mention in laws and other treasured extended whanau ... plus now my own grandaughter ...

I remember a very funny occassion getting ready for a session with my teenage son teasing me by not lighting my cigarette ..yay the big bad dominatrix head to toe in pvc and six inches heels reduced to begging her numberoneson to light her frigging cigarette!

Did my Mum when she was alive, and my Dad before his demetia set in know I called the shots in my relationships ... yeah they did ... they admired their freakish independent but often exasperating, bewildering daughter. If my Dad was 50 I'd tell him in a shot ... at 84 it's beyond his current comprehension.

I just don't get all the big drama over a frecking collar and leash ... seriously ... a fruit loop with a vision of Christ can subject us all at Easter time to his naked body and swaddling clothed arse as he trundles a cross on wheels across the land ... and I have to explain to my child whats up with that ... but a collar and leash that's pretty much anywhere in the media, television, print, iconic images ... is going to give him a hernia .. whatever ...

People need to chill ... to make the assumption that everytime you or anyone else sees a person in a collar or leash that they are into BDSM or D feck'n S ... hell half the population wouldn't even know what they are ... Big Dogs Society Meetings, Badly Dressed Social Misfits, Bow Down & Suck Me ... personally I have absolutely NO desire to have what I enjoy be the norm ...

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RE: public leash - 7/2/2007 8:33:07 AM

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Jasmyn, SirDaniel, MissOchistic, and -the dark- have it right.
There is no inherent right to not be offended.

Read my signature, and think long about it.

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RE: public leash - 7/2/2007 9:07:10 AM

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Oh my!! What a BIG can of worms! Back to the OP for my opinion ... discretion is the better part of valour. Despite having a huge exhibitionist streak as a sub, i am not about to wander to my local shops on a collar and leash, and Master isn't about to ask that of me ... i hold down a job that would be compromised by such behaviour AND i prefer to keep my activities away from the prying eyes of children. i am less concerned about adults, i figure they can cope if this is all they witness. At fetish events etc i LOVE to be leashed. However, the one time i felt comfortable about being leashed in more open public was in a country town on a swing bridge. i hate bridges at the best of times ... and narrow wooden ones with only rope suspensions that sway .... UGGGHHHH!! By being blindfolded and led out there by Master on my leash ... i could actually get out to the middle and once standing still, He could take the blindfold off so i could enjoy the view. But i was blindfolded again for the scary walk back. Now some people waiting to cross gave U/us a bit of an odd look ... Master, quick as a flash said "trust exercise to help her overcome vertigo" ... seemed to work! Not sure that excuse would work in the shopping mall ... on the escalator maybe???

violet[A] who is more usually called Maam Jay but She didn't get a word in this time!

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RE: public leash - 7/2/2007 9:24:49 AM

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I fail to see how hiding BDSM from the world will make people think it is more acceptable.

It is precisely by being loud and obnoxious that formerly taboo and even illegal things have come to be mainstream. People are even condemned now sometimes to be against them.

I'm not saying that he should be obnoxious at the mall; I'm just saying that being courteous is a very bad way to make it more acceptable, if that's what you're thinking. Well behaved women rarely make history ~.^

No... it's not. Homosexuality hasn't become acceptable, or as accepted as it is now, by shoving it in the faces of everyone around. Hand-holding and kissing at the mall put it in the public face the same as a collar, a set of cuffs and saying "yes sir" and "yes mam". Homosexuality has become accepted by people coming out and people realizing that homosexuals aren't obnoxious sex maniacs, they are neighbors, teachers, friends and relatives.

Being obnoxious just gives them another reason to dismiss us as rude freaks.

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RE: public leash - 7/2/2007 3:50:05 PM

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Have her wear a t-shirt that reads "I'm with (insert something)" and an arrow pointing to the side. It would then appear to be just a vanilla prank and those who saw it might smirk but no negative attention would be aroused. There's nothing like hiding in plain sight :)

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RE: public leash - 7/2/2007 7:32:35 PM

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Homosexuality hasn't become acceptable, or as accepted as it is now, by shoving it in the faces of everyone around.

BZZZZZZtttt Dead wrong.
Being militant, loud and 'shoving it in faces' is exactly how homosexuality has gotten to the point it is now. Think about it. Homosexuals have been around for millennia, and only recently have they gotten rights? Just coincidence?
You don't really think that things like "Pride Week" are put on by breeders out of the goodness of their hearts, do you?

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RE: public leash - 7/3/2007 5:01:04 AM

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Homosexuality hasn't become acceptable, or as accepted as it is now, by shoving it in the faces of everyone around.

BZZZZZZtttt Dead wrong.
Being militant, loud and 'shoving it in faces' is exactly how homosexuality has gotten to the point it is now. Think about it. Homosexuals have been around for millennia, and only recently have they gotten rights? Just coincidence?
You don't really think that things like "Pride Week" are put on by breeders out of the goodness of their hearts, do you?

To my mind, Aquatic had it just about right - openly flaunting sexuality is not very helpful to anyone becoming accepted in society; and that goes as much for the straight vanillas as for anyone else.

I, and I think most people, dont give a monkey's what people get up in private, but dont want to see it out on the street. I'd be as unaccepting of a straight couple petting on the street corner as two homosexual people doing the same, as of two of any variety demonstrating their particular moments of intimacy whatever the genre. Its about showing some respect to others and more important perhaps, showing some self respect.

Its only by way, as Aquatic said, of everyone getting to understand that homosexuality is and always has been all around us and that people we know and love and trust are homosexual, that this group has been able to express itself at all. That is, by demonstrating that theyre not a danger to the rest of us and that they do adhere to the norms of society that are required for us all to get along as much as possible - good manners and mutual respect. I fail to see how public demonstrations of bdsm will accomplish the same aims - rather I tend to think that it will have the opposite effect, reinforcing the idea that we are dangerous, deviant, mentally ill and unable to live in normal society.

Now as for the likes of Pride Rallies - yes, they are important, but they are carnivals where in the true sense of carnivals, anything goes. Were it not for the strong effect of Puritanical social policy that still runs through British and much of American society I'll venture, we would understand that. Carnivals in other cultures where Puritanism didnt tame them down to the levels we in England "enjoy", are far more overt and raucous and chaotic (and fun), and this is the same approach used for Pride Rallies. Note how though, when the Rally is over, the participants return to their everyday lives, and dont continue wearing all the regalia and behaving the same way for the other 364 days of the year.

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RE: public leash - 7/3/2007 7:12:16 AM

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One of my rules/limits is that all parties to play must be human, adult, and consensual. Wearing a leash in the local mall brings children and non-consensual players into your play dynamic. Not a good thing, IMO.

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RE: public leash - 7/3/2007 7:52:45 AM

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If my slave and I live a life where he is 24/7 on a leash ...that is the terms of our lifestyle .. that is how we choose to live our life ... it could be argued it is not 'play' but a life decision ... plenty of people who practice a m/s relationship do not 'play' ... do we tell Masters they can no longer make their slaves walk two feet behind them seven steps to the left because I do that in 'play' not as a 'lifestyle' ... and therefore if I see them do this in a public mall I am going to be mortified for they are exposing my playtime to an unconsensual audience ...

To assume anyone knows the dynamics of the relationship between two people wandering through a mall with one a leash is insane ... YOU might see it as BDSM ... twenty others might see it as a lark ... 50 others might admire their individuality ... the pair could simply be off to a fancy dress party.

Perspective is required when pondering a grain of salt.

It's not like the question asked was can the op's partner bend him over in a mall food hall and rodger his naked butt with a flaccid carrot stick ...

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RE: public leash - 7/3/2007 9:51:07 AM

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For me, I would have to say I dont like public play all that much anymore although public play in small intimate groups is fine but anything beyond that and I'd rather go home anyway, I detest crowds, however, I do very much love my sub's collars. it's fun and even though it's ivory (which i normally am not very fond of) I love it.

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RE: public leash - 7/3/2007 10:30:38 AM

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You are in IOWA...not NY where this activity is more common.

Ny u have to be careful too I live here

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RE: public leash - 7/3/2007 10:37:35 AM

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Homosexuality hasn't become acceptable, or as accepted as it is now, by shoving it in the faces of everyone around.

BZZZZZZtttt Dead wrong.
Being militant, loud and 'shoving it in faces' is exactly how homosexuality has gotten to the point it is now. Think about it. Homosexuals have been around for millennia, and only recently have they gotten rights? Just coincidence?
You don't really think that things like "Pride Week" are put on by breeders out of the goodness of their hearts, do you?

Look back in time. Homosexuality and love between two men was once held in much higher esteem then heterosexual love and sex. Oh the Romans!

However, there is a great deal of difference between attending a Pride event and shoving your sexuality in someone's face. Being rude and obnixous just proves that people are right about you - you aren't anything more then a rude, obnixous sex manic who doesn't know how to behave in polite society.

I am all about leather marchs, the Folsem Street fair, Pride groups and Pride marchs. I'm not all about proving stereotypes right.

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RE: public leash - 7/3/2007 9:57:05 PM

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I turned my stepbrother as my slave and dog, i used to show him like my pet dog everyday infront of my mom (his stepmom) and his dad (my stepdad), all of my and his relatives my ex in-laws also seen him as my dog, with leash and collar.

Once i showed him like that in village where more than 1000 people saw that

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RE: public leash - 7/4/2007 10:55:07 AM

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Ok i can agree with both side of the issue but then i walk aroudn alot with my big red slave collar whichs jingles when i move because of the huge O ring on the front. I went otu with a good friend and it was friday I had on my collar my corset jeans and my black trench. I stick out up here anyways beign that I am what i see as a real black person and not a somali immigrant. Now we ewnt down to the old port to find the hookah bar and passed several groups of senior citizens, i know i got a few looks, did i care? Not in the least. Now that said later that same day i got dragged about by an older switch who leads more the dom side.

The next week i went otu with the same firend to the hookah bar again with the collar but also a short red leather leash attached. By short i mean the end sat on my tits. Every so often he would grab it just for fun and tug on it. Now unless this couple is planing somethign along the lines of the leashee walking on fours sitting on the floor who cares? Because you know what most kids are gonan see that probably go, "Is s/he liek that so they don't wander away? Get lost?"

BTW i think kiddie leash were the dumbest thing ever invented. Don't want to hold your kid's hand? Carry them. don't want to do that? Slap back in the stroller. I have seen more than my share of big lil kids in a stroller at the mall.

edited to add ----> Of course I grew up in Vegas. My view on things can be seen as skewed because for the fact that anywhere in vegas not just the strip you can see something you wouldn't see in any other neighbor elsewehre

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RE: public leash - 7/4/2007 11:01:36 AM

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BTW i think kiddie leash were the dumbest thing ever invented. Don't want to hold your kid's hand? Carry them. don't want to do that? Slap back in the stroller. I have seen more than my share of big lil kids in a stroller at the mall.

Some kids are slippery little devils. I frequently escaped the hand of my very protective and quite attentive mother. All you have to do is put some slobber on your hand from sucking your fingers and it's quite lubed to pull out!

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RE: public leash - 7/4/2007 11:42:24 AM

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BTW i think kiddie leash were the dumbest thing ever invented. Don't want to hold your kid's hand? Carry them. don't want to do that? Slap back in the stroller. I have seen more than my share of big lil kids in a stroller at the mall.

Some kids are slippery little devils. I frequently escaped the hand of my very protective and quite attentive mother. All you have to do is put some slobber on your hand from sucking your fingers and it's quite lubed to pull out!

and like i said after that carry them or toss their butts back in the stroller. mine is just starrting to walk and personally i carry him or put him in the stroller. I for one HATED THE damn kiddie leash after sitting down in the middle of the stroe and silently refusing to get up my mother got the point.

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RE: public leash - 7/4/2007 11:54:30 AM

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lost?"

BTW i think kiddie leash were the dumbest thing ever invented. Don't want to hold your kid's hand? Carry them. don't want to do that? Slap back in the stroller. I have seen more than my share of big lil kids in a stroller at the mall.

Some kids are slippery little devils. I frequently escaped the hand of my very protective and quite attentive mother. All you have to do is put some slobber on your hand from sucking your fingers and it's quite lubed to pull out!

and like i said after that carry them or toss their butts back in the stroller. mine is just starrting to walk and personally i carry him or put him in the stroller. I for one HATED THE damn kiddie leash after sitting down in the middle of the stroe and silently refusing to get up my mother got the point.

I hated it too. It was the only thing I couldn't escape from.

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RE: public leash - 7/4/2007 1:48:49 PM

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In my opinion all this publicly done stuff, such as being in a leash in the mall is stupid.
It's like squeezing something upon others and might even cause the "vanilla person" to feel uncomfortable.
I'm not saying people can't play descreetly in public, not at all! But when people are waving their kinks in public they're just shouting for attention and like I said above..forcing something upon 'vanilla' people who have no interest in being around this whatsoever.

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RE: public leash - 7/4/2007 2:40:04 PM

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My Mistress L led me down the hall and out thro the lobby of a motel in the Pocono Mtns in Pa. She then walked me around the parking lot on the leash, carrying her crop, and then took me out in the woods and made me drop my pants, pantyhose and panties and used her crop on me, then walked me back to the motel room. Of course this was in a part of the Poconos where this was not unheard of behavior. When she wishes to humiliate me in public, she will make me walk behind her and carry her purse. She has also taken me to dinner and not allowed me to speak. She would order for me, and usually order something that she knows i dont like.
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RE: public leash - 7/19/2007 11:04:59 AM

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One of the biggest turn-ons I ever experienced was seeing a young woman, maybe in her early twenties, lead a young man around the downtown area of a large city. Here I was a middle-aged man and I wanted to run after her and ask her if I could join her stable, or dog pound. Knowing the utter humiliation of a public spectacle like this only made the desire greater, which, I guess is why we're here.

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