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RE: Being loyal to your word - 7/10/2007 1:47:30 PM   
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Ok, how about ideas from those who are in the dominant role...officially, rather than the opinion from, as I have had it brilliantly stated to my by a source whose anonymity I keep secret "boards as they tend to be a little too female slave dominated and touchy feely for me". 


Funny how that happens when you post in the ASK A SUBMISSIVE forum.

You want to be a Master? Act like one and grow set. Be the sort of Master who inspires loyalty and that's exactly what you'll receive. Be a wishy-washy, unsure, unclear, undecided idjet and you'll reap exactly what you've sewn. Your slave didn't obey (for whatever reason). Deal with it or get the fuck over it. Shit happens and no dominant on the planet is immune from it. Act or react, it's up to you but if you need someone else telling you how to Master your own slave, if you need someone else to come up with ideas on how to punish her (or even if you should punish her) I'd say you have a hell of a long way to go and if I were you, I wouldn't tell half the population not to offer up opinions/suggestions just because they frequent another side of the flogger. You need all the help you can get and then some. You'll get exactly the slave you want as soon as you start behaving like the Master of the slave you want.

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RE: Being loyal to your word - 7/10/2007 1:51:10 PM   
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Oh come on now Bita...don't be so touchy, feely!

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RE: Being loyal to your word - 7/10/2007 1:54:37 PM   
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Oh come on now Bita...don't be so touchy, feely!


Okay you two........enough of making me snort the water I was, TRYING to drink...... up my nose!!


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RE: Being loyal to your word - 7/10/2007 2:39:43 PM   
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Ok, how about ideas from those who are in the dominant role...officially, rather than the opinion from, as I have had it brilliantly stated to my by a source whose anonymity I keep secret "boards as they tend to be a little too female slave dominated and touchy feely for me".  How about less touchy feely slave talk, and more from those who have been in management?  Sure I've heard opinions, but I mean given the current situation as I've recently updated it, what's to do and have you faced anything similar in the past?


Excuse me but you have posted this on the submissive board. Maybe you should try the board called Ask a Master... oh ... it is two boards above this the Ask a Submissive board that  you  chose to post your topic in.
Just some advice from one of the  touchy feely slaves... :)
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RE: Being loyal to your word - 7/10/2007 2:41:32 PM   
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You don;t seem to comprehend


I'd say that pretty much sums it up. We're 13 pages into this and not even a flicker of comprehension.


Knock knock  but noones home lol
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RE: Being loyal to your word - 7/10/2007 7:37:56 PM   
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I'm in an M/s relationship, I'm not the s, and I don't think touchy feely has ever been levelled at me as a descriptor.

I am about to share what I've discovered what I've learned as an adult, not as a mistress nor anything SM related.

Shit happens. I aim to get my way in my M/s relationship 100 percent of the time and I'm damn pleased with 98.9999 or so, it doesn't leave me whining when shit goes down and it's just not going to happen for me that day. I have enough long-term thinking to realize that next time may work better.

If you want human toys, they come with families and obligations, not to mention neuroses, limitations, and frailties. Just like you do.
If you want to keep them, you accept this. If you don't want to accept this, you may be better suited to sticking to owning inanimate objects. Even dogs eventually are going to want to sniff other dogs' butts when it may not be convenient for you.

I have a slave in his 50's with children in college and an ex wife he still deals with. If I feel like he's becoming bogged down in other people's stuff and his boundaries are suffering, I tell him, "wow, you may need a weekend to yourself and just not be so easy to reach." It's a lot more effective than "I forbid you to answer the phone slave!"  He might not do any introspection and just think I'm an asshole and be right.

It would simply never occur to me to try and use these NON CONSENTING parties as a means to show my muscle in relation to him. They don't need evidence that I'm in charge of what he does, they don't need to be subject to some lame excuse why he can't show to something important to them because I have a hair up my ass that he needs to be home that day.

You seem to think that any overarching responsibilities that work out in favor of your slave's needs versus your own wants is a disruption of dynamic. H's NEEDS come before my wants.  That is the promise that an owner makes to the property. The owner acknowledges that they're going to make sure that the needs of the other person are covered so that they can be served. His wants come after my wants. Family is a need level priority.


Do I ask him to do things he doesn't want to do? You bet. But there's NOTHING I can think of that would be productive in doing so when it comes to his children and immediate family that I can think of. Not a damn thing.

I like the fact that you seem pretty content with your way of doing things, and that it seems to work for you.  Part of my issue, is that the situation on Saturday brought up alot of other questions and topics.  You know, the kind of situation that "makes you question everything".  I've got no problem with Jodi screwing up, it's when she does it intentionally, and when she intends to do it again given a similar situation.  I've watched her go back and forth from "I want to put you, and our M/s first including ahead of family stuff" to "Given a situation like Saturday, I'd do it all over again and I'm not sure I even want to change my view on it".  I worry that in such a situation I'll be vying for her attention or service on a regular basis.  Such things have happened to me before with people who desire to please the world in general.  I in alot of ways think I'm fairly laid back, even though it may not seem like it because I'm so conserned about what happened recently and I'm not just putting on a stupid grin and a shrug and letting it go or whatever I might do if I did exactly that.  I have a really hard time with the idea of my authority being not only challenged, but effectively suspended with regards to certain things.  I wouldn't take on a mom with kids who would put them first for the same reason either for example.   Sometimes I try to be really generous in certain ways, to make up for the fact that I take away other things.  I really get nervous about asking someone to do somthing that might not be their cup of tea and I suppose I am probably trying to bribe them, or win their approval so when the time comes for "the big one" whatever that is.  That's probably just plain stupid, because I don't think it really ever works.  My priorities aren't theirs, no matter how much I might wish that were the case.  Yes I know, I'm talking about my past D/s relationships and my current one blended into one big neurotic blur.  I'm not about to tell anyone "Thou shalt not talk to your family ever again, cause I said so", though I believe that has been known to happen.  I simply want to know I have that authority when called upon.  Jodi could have seen her grandpa plenty at plenty of oppertunities, just not that one according to my ultimate decision.  Was that the right one?  According to me.  Was it selfish?  M/s is supposed to be selfish.  I'm somthing of a BDSM egghead when I get the chance, and not just reading books or going online.  I meet the people that write the famous books out there.  I live in the fetish heartland.  D/s is freeing because it lets you do somthing that you couldn't normally do in an everyday situation, since the day we were born...think about what you want and be selfish!  Freedom to indulge in that sin that is forbidden from the time the word "selfish" was taught.  It's a kind of bliss for sure.  On the other hand, I'm sure there are pleasures to be had in pleasing someone.  Heck, I even have fantasies I just know from my bottoming experiences that I feel that way a rather small portion of the time.  It doesn't kill you to please someone who is being selfish, as long as that person isn't stupid.  People do err in judgement, including Masters regardless of how that title is supposed to equate with "are you good enough" when some talk of it.  Did I err in judgement?  That is part of what I came here to learn.  However, I also believe that as part of faith to the M/s relationship a slave would ideally follow with a faulty course of action because the slave isn't supposed to be deciding what's faulty especially before it happens.  Now in the aftermath, when the shit hits the fan, parties can say "That was a bad idea!".  Thing is, sometimes you don't know how good or bad an idea is until you follow through with it.  I never would have indulged in slapping if someone hadn't begged me to try it in the past and it worked out ok.  We're never going to learn, or take any risks without that faith though.  M/s means the person in charge gets to make mistakes and learn from them, and yes, mistakes that could potentially harm the slave.  If you break lives though, soon you won't have anyone left to be selfish with and honestly...that's the point of M/s not everyone has the fortitude or insight to admit.  Being selfish doesn't mean treating others like crap however, sometimes you just like doing good, it just makes it well...every action is more heartfelt when it's what you really want to do and you are freed from those constraints.


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RE: Being loyal to your word - 7/10/2007 9:46:37 PM   
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I'm somthing of a BDSM egghead when I get the chance, and not just reading books or going online.  I meet the people that write the famous books out there.  I live in the fetish heartland.  D/s is freeing because it lets you do somthing that you couldn't normally do in an everyday situation, since the day we were born...think about what you want and be selfish! 



I live in a very active city, I cut my teeth among people who were, loathe as I am to use the phrase themselves trained by the "old guard", and I have met some authors too, not that I think meeting people who write books means much other than you've paid to be at an event. I get the liberation that a selfish stance brings. It's just plain not shrewd to deploy your selfishness when you are dealing with someone's blood relation obligations if that's something high on their list of priorities. If you are dealing with someone with children, you can certainly demand they prioritize you higher than their offspring. But don't be surprised when the reactance, "you've got to fucking be kidding me" and the intense resentment, nay, hatred comes knocking. If you keep getting reactance and if you keep getting disobedience you should be looking *as closely* at your demands as you are at your slave. If you are still getting it, I would wager you don't even know what that person's values are. How can you then possibly in a million years expect those value systems to shift at all around yours?


This especially leaps out at me:

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However, I also believe that as part of faith to the M/s relationship a slave would ideally follow with a faulty course of action because the slave isn't supposed to be deciding what's faulty especially before it happens.


I've discovered that you are quite right, it is completely my right to expect illogical leaps when I say leap.

It is because I don't put down faulty courses of action. Because I've given H the cushion any reasonable person needs to suspend their misgivings and suck up.

And I get those leaps of faith. Because I don't just go testing it willy nilly. I test it when I've decided it really means something to me, and I reject it if it sounds really cool but I *know* I'm going to be stuck in damage control mode afterwards anyway.  It's just-not-worth-it to get my way and to lose the trust that gets me my way without resentment. Unless you really like doing the kind of damage control you seem to be needing to do - it's not my kink.

But I don't see M/s as fundamentally selfish. It's not some cute way to get what I want, though I get what I want and I get a lot of really cruel shits and giggles at H's expense in the process. There is a point at which I am laying something down which actualizes both of us, and allows us BOTH to be what we need to be. That's the goal for me.





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RE: Being loyal to your word - 7/10/2007 9:59:13 PM   
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I'm somthing of a BDSM egghead when I get the chance, and not just reading books or going online.  I meet the people that write the famous books out there.  I live in the fetish heartland.  D/s is freeing because it lets you do somthing that you couldn't normally do in an everyday situation, since the day we were born...think about what you want and be selfish! 



I live in a very active city, I cut my teeth among people who were, loathe as I am to use the phrase themselves trained by the "old guard", and I have met some authors too, not that I think meeting people who write books means much other than you've paid to be at an event. I get the liberation that a selfish stance brings. It's just plain not shrewd to deploy your selfishness when you are dealing with someone's blood relation obligations if that's something high on their list of priorities. If you are dealing with someone with children, you can certainly demand they prioritize you higher than their offspring. But don't be surprised when the reactance, "you've got to fucking be kidding me" and the intense resentment, nay, hatred comes knocking. If you keep getting reactance and if you keep getting disobedience you should be looking *as closely* at your demands as you are at your slave. If you are still getting it, I would wager you don't even know what that person's values are. How can you then possibly in a million years expect those value systems to shift at all around yours?


This especially leaps out at me:

quote:

However, I also believe that as part of faith to the M/s relationship a slave would ideally follow with a faulty course of action because the slave isn't supposed to be deciding what's faulty especially before it happens.


I've discovered that you are quite right, it is completely my right to expect illogical leaps when I say leap.

It is because I don't put down faulty courses of action. Because I've given H the cushion any reasonable person needs to suspend their misgivings and suck up.

And I get those leaps of faith. Because I don't just go testing it willy nilly. I test it when I've decided it really means something to me, and I reject it if it sounds really cool but I *know* I'm going to be stuck in damage control mode afterwards anyway.  It's just-not-worth-it to get my way and to lose the trust that gets me my way without resentment. Unless you really like doing the kind of damage control you seem to be needing to do - it's not my kink.

But I don't see M/s as fundamentally selfish. It's not some cute way to get what I want, though I get what I want and I get a lot of really cruel shits and giggles at H's expense in the process. There is a point at which I am laying something down which actualizes both of us, and allows us BOTH to be what we need to be. That's the goal for me.

I have many times wished I could somehow be vanilla too, but that doesn't seem to be in the cards either.  When I consider some of what you are talking about, and it holds appeal for me, I wonder how much of it is wishful thinking that I could be fulfilled by asking more conservatively and how much is me really being able to say "Sure, it doesn't matter" and mean it.


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RE: Being loyal to your word - 7/10/2007 11:19:00 PM   
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ORIGINAL: BitaTruble

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ORIGINAL: akbarbarian

Ok, how about ideas from those who are in the dominant role...officially, rather than the opinion from, as I have had it brilliantly stated to my by a source whose anonymity I keep secret "boards as they tend to be a little too female slave dominated and touchy feely for me". 


Funny how that happens when you post in the ASK A SUBMISSIVE forum.

You want to be a Master? Act like one and grow set. Be the sort of Master who inspires loyalty and that's exactly what you'll receive. Be a wishy-washy, unsure, unclear, undecided idjet and you'll reap exactly what you've sewn. Your slave didn't obey (for whatever reason). Deal with it or get the fuck over it. Shit happens and no dominant on the planet is immune from it. Act or react, it's up to you but if you need someone else telling you how to Master your own slave, if you need someone else to come up with ideas on how to punish her (or even if you should punish her) I'd say you have a hell of a long way to go and if I were you, I wouldn't tell half the population not to offer up opinions/suggestions just because they frequent another side of the flogger. You need all the help you can get and then some. You'll get exactly the slave you want as soon as you start behaving like the Master of the slave you want.

Celeste





....and there we have it in a fucking nutshell.

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RE: Being loyal to your word - 7/11/2007 1:05:30 AM   
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ORIGINAL: BeingChewsie

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ORIGINAL: BitaTruble

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ORIGINAL: akbarbarian

Ok, how about ideas from those who are in the dominant role...officially, rather than the opinion from, as I have had it brilliantly stated to my by a source whose anonymity I keep secret "boards as they tend to be a little too female slave dominated and touchy feely for me". 


Funny how that happens when you post in the ASK A SUBMISSIVE forum.

You want to be a Master? Act like one and grow set. Be the sort of Master who inspires loyalty and that's exactly what you'll receive. Be a wishy-washy, unsure, unclear, undecided idjet and you'll reap exactly what you've sewn. Your slave didn't obey (for whatever reason). Deal with it or get the fuck over it. Shit happens and no dominant on the planet is immune from it. Act or react, it's up to you but if you need someone else telling you how to Master your own slave, if you need someone else to come up with ideas on how to punish her (or even if you should punish her) I'd say you have a hell of a long way to go and if I were you, I wouldn't tell half the population not to offer up opinions/suggestions just because they frequent another side of the flogger. You need all the help you can get and then some. You'll get exactly the slave you want as soon as you start behaving like the Master of the slave you want.

Celeste





....and there we have it in a fucking nutshell.

Well, I've had people leave me much to my regret when I step on it rather than step back.  I'm not sure it's always that simple, and unless you've been the manager rather than the managed, I'm not sure if you'd know what I'm talking about.  Sub/slave opinions can be helpful, but they can only tell me certain things.  Maybe things as they happened in the past couldn't be helped, maybe they could, but I'm up for taking a hard look at my options rather than blindly doing what my urges suggest I do.


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RE: Being loyal to your word - 7/11/2007 1:27:58 AM   
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I've missed quite a happening thread here!

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You want to be a Master? Act like one and grow set. Be the sort of Master who inspires loyalty and that's exactly what you'll receive. Be a wishy-washy, unsure, unclear, undecided idjet and you'll reap exactly what you've sewn. Your slave didn't obey (for whatever reason). Deal with it or get the fuck over it. Shit happens and no dominant on the planet is immune from it. Act or react, it's up to you but if you need someone else telling you how to Master your own slave, if you need someone else to come up with ideas on how to punish her (or even if you should punish her) I'd say you have a hell of a long way to go and if I were you, I wouldn't tell half the population not to offer up opinions/suggestions just because they frequent another side of the flogger. You need all the help you can get and then some. You'll get exactly the slave you want as soon as you start behaving like the Master of the slave you want.


....and there we have it in a fucking nutshell.

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RE: Being loyal to your word - 7/11/2007 1:39:18 AM   
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I'm not sure it's always that simple, and unless you've been the manager rather than the managed, I'm not sure if you'd know what I'm talking about. 


It really is that simple, but you feel free to complicate it all you want. As far as being the manager, I really don't see how good advice is based on one's orientation but if you feel the need for me to validate myself in order to 'hear' it, then I offer up 20 years as a business owner in a business which I made so successful I was able to retire from it at the age of 42. The reason I was so successful is because I have an ability to see the potential in people, bring it out of them and instill loyalty without having to be a monster to do so. I expect excellence, so that's exactly what I get from my employees.

I also spent 7 of my 25 years of active participation in BDSM as a FemDom where I utilized the service of several submissives and bottoms of both genders and, once again, I expect excellence and will accept nothing less than 100% effort and, again, that's exactly what I got in return for my own willingness to give 100%.

I am currently in a 24/7 M/s relationship which has spanned over a decade with a Master who, himself, has over 25 years of real time, hands on experience. That's r/t, live together, doing laundry, paying taxes, suffering through illness, death etc sort of 24/7. I think, perhaps, these traits and experiences qualify me to have a bit of a clue on being managed and managing, but I will say again, if you seek the advice and opinions of dominants, why are you posting in the ASK A SUBMISSIVE forum? That, to me, makes zero sense and you're cutting off your nose to spite your face and you will miss out on so much if you cut off half the populace because you think they won't get what it is that you're asking.

All that said, the relationship I share with Himself is amazing, progressive, productive, satisfying and filling. He has exactly the slave he wants because he is exactly the sort of Master which attracts the slave he wants. That seems really simple to me. What I do works for me. What you do isn't working for you. Which one of us isn't 'getting' it? Oh, and if you want another piece of advice, I'd suggest you read my sig line as it seems such would apply very well to your current situation.

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RE: Being loyal to your word - 7/11/2007 7:05:13 AM   
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akbarb.........The smartest thing you could possibly do is stop typing and read Bita's last post over and over and over again until you have a lightbulb moment.

If you just cannot get it then you really have no business trying to manage someone's life because you are obviously not ready for it.



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RE: Being loyal to your word - 7/11/2007 8:19:08 AM   
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first thoughts to this posting.....slave told was stated......this one is all of her years of service, has NEVER told of Master of a request.....she has asked to be considered the situation and His decision of this is the final word and deed....end of thought
being loyal to word is not an one sided issue...His word has just the equal value as this one's word that has been given. Without that and other key elements of this kind of relationship.....there is no growth......

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RE: Being loyal to your word - 7/11/2007 8:37:47 AM   
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You don;t seem to comprehend that taking on a slave means responsibility - seriously and I am not being touchy feely here.  You are so set on what you want, on her submitting and being 'loyal' you are ignoring your loyalty towards her.  You are disregarding the position she is in and placing her in a even more difficult position of possibly having to disobey you because your blinkered to one end and not accepting external influences may cause difficulties in Mastery and slavery.
 
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RE: Being loyal to your word - 7/11/2007 9:02:09 AM   
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I'm not sure it's always that simple, and unless you've been the manager rather than the managed, I'm not sure if you'd know what I'm talking about. 

I also spent 7 of my 25 years of active participation in BDSM as a FemDom where I utilized the service of several submissives and bottoms of both genders and, once again, I expect excellence and will accept nothing less than 100% effort and, again, that's exactly what I got in return for my own willingness to give 100%.

I am currently in a 24/7 M/s relationship which has spanned over a decade with a Master who, himself, has over 25 years of real time, hands on experience. That's r/t, live together, doing laundry, paying taxes, suffering through illness, death etc sort of 24/7. I think, perhaps, these traits and experiences qualify me to have a bit of a clue on being managed and managing, but I will say again, if you seek the advice and opinions of dominants, why are you posting in the ASK A SUBMISSIVE forum?

When I've posted in ask a Master, I get responses from the same people really.  It doesn't seem to matter, except that in this case when I ask for the management types to speak up, there is just one more reason for the managed types to complain about my post.  In this case I eventually stated that I'd like to hear views from those who have been in similar situation from the same position.  Your posts insinuate that you have "the answer", but I haven't heard any specifics.  It's all so very vague.  Those who "agree with me" are vague.  Those who disagree are vague.  I think there have been brief exceptions, but they were very brief and not entirely descriptive.  Perhaps I'll scan back and see if I can find those who seemed to have been in this sort of situation, and ask them specifically.  If you've actually "been there done that" great I'd love to hear about it, but until then, all I've heard is posturing in the most vague way.

Edited to add:
I'd love to hear specific examples of actual situations.


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RE: Being loyal to your word - 7/11/2007 9:05:34 AM   
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Actually, I don't think the answers here have been vague at all but let me try to condense it for you. Your hardass style of mastery clearly isn't working for this master/slave relationship. You need to learn that just as there are many styles of mastery; not every style will work for every slave, no matter how many times you bang both your heads against the wall. Allow me to use an equestrian analog...

Switch training styles or switch horses.

Still too vague?

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RE: Being loyal to your word - 7/11/2007 9:16:38 AM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: LaTigresse

akbarb.........The smartest thing you could possibly do is stop typing and read Bita's last post over and over and over again until you have a lightbulb moment.

If you just cannot get it then you really have no business trying to manage someone's life because you are obviously not ready for it.

She gives and expects 100%, she grows a pair, she encourages potential.  There is nothing specific here.  What is there to understand except that great leadership is inspiring?  Well that's a good philosophy, but it's pretty vague as far as how to apply it.  We could be talking about sports if you didn't know the context.  Oh I'd be cheering behind the rally too then I might ask "so...what are we getting psyched up to do exactly?".


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RE: Being loyal to your word - 7/11/2007 9:20:04 AM   
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I do not read vagueness.  She told you exactly what the problem was - where can you not see/read that?  I believe your getting swamped down by too many things, asking too much and splintering incoherently.  It might be a good idea to just sit, focus and ask your question again because it keeps altering to add something new into the equasion.

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RE: Being loyal to your word - 7/11/2007 9:22:36 AM   
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The points that you seem to be missing OP, whether you are being deliberately obtuse is a judgement call that you will have to make, as i already have my opinion on that matter, is that she gives as much as she expects to receive, she inspires action instead of demanding it or forcing it through punishment, and she wants the people who have served her in the past, either in a business setting or when she was a Domme to become all that they can be allowing them to grow as people, not trying to force them into a muted clone of herself. Furthermore she is saying that if you want an excellent slave, you must first be an excellent master, gently trying to get you to see that you are failing at the latter so you are not getting the former. Is that clear enough for you??????

heartfelt

(sorry jodi for adding to this thread, i didn't want to add to what in my opinion is an undeserved punishment.

< Message edited by heartfeltsub -- 7/11/2007 9:24:14 AM >


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