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RE: Maybe leaving CM.. A warning - 7/14/2007 8:40:49 PM

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RE: Maybe leaving CM.. A warning - 7/14/2007 8:41:12 PM

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Windoze NT and beyond included something known as the Windoze Messenger Service, which was intended to allow system administrators to communicate with each other over large networks. This was shipped turned ON by default. So legions of NT users had this port open, and it was immediately exploited by legions of hackers to get into systems, run things on peoples computers, etc.

Having said that, every bit of software you have on your computer which does interaction with the outside world could potentially allow a hacker to get into your computer. As was pointed out earlier, large corporations hire hackers to plug up their security holes as they find them.

Where I am going with this is that a person being unclear of the technical distinctions between Yahoo messenger, ICQ, or Windoze messenger, is not listed in DSM IV as a sign of a psychiatric disorder such as paranoia.

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RE: Maybe leaving CM.. A warning - 7/14/2007 8:46:05 PM

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Lockit, you have been a wonderful person to talk to on here and I hope you get things worked out and you can stay. I will have you in my thoughts and prayers.

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RE: Maybe leaving CM.. A warning - 7/14/2007 8:47:17 PM

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Lockit claimed, again without evidence that

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I find it interesting that this guy continually attacks but will not answer questions and then points the finger at my not giving evidence.
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And I'm amused to see somebody who constantly makes undocumented assertions about Lord knows how many things slags me for "not answer[ing] questions." As the English humorist Alexi Sayles put it "it's a funny funny world."

I'm not aware of having failed to answer any relevant questions.

I ignored one that asked if I had ever been stalked. I did so because my history involving stalking was not relevant to any claim I made or any issue I saw. Nor did I post anything that would have logically required me to answer the question.

I've also ignored the "have you stopped beating your wife" type of questions like "do you get messages from your tv?"

But it has been a long discussion and I'm as human as the next person; there could have been questions I've missed.

But again Lockit asserted this and it is up to her to show what those relevant questions are.

If she does I'll endeavor to answer them.

Or we may find that Lockit makes another wild assertion with the same inability to document this and all the others.

And to again and again and again point something out: I didn't make the assertions that Lockit did. I don't have an obligation to provide evidence that what she asserted is false. She is obligated to show it is true. I'm not obligated to provide evidence involving her claims; the obligation is hers.

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RE: Maybe leaving CM.. A warning - 7/14/2007 8:47:34 PM

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Petronius

Insulting my intelligence is not going to make you seem smarter, you are trying to disseminate and baffle people with your bullshit. Honestly after this point I am done trying to convince you that you are jumping the gun and what lockit claims is happening is very possible.

You are obviously in a delusional world of your own making and you must feel that your intelligence overwhelms everyone else in your fairy tale realm.

Keep blathering like the goomba that you are.

I wish you the best of luck with your problems Lockit,

I am off to have a coffee and watch the sunset

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RE: Maybe leaving CM.. A warning - 7/14/2007 9:01:59 PM

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Sinergy wrote:

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Windoze NT and beyond included something known as the Windoze Messenger Service, which was intended to allow system administrators to communicate with each other over large networks. This was shipped turned ON by default. So legions of NT users had this port open, and it was immediately exploited by legions of hackers to get into systems, run things on peoples computers, etc.

However, Lockit's claim was of generic messenger services that people used, not something far more esoteric like WMS that simply and accidentally shares the name "messenger."

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Having said that, every bit of software you have on your computer which does interaction with the outside world could potentially allow a hacker to get into your computer. As was pointed out earlier, large corporations hire hackers to plug up their security holes as they find them.

The first point is absolutely correct and absolutely irrelevant to Lockit's claims.

The second is also true. I was about to write that it is also irrelevant but I don't think that's correct. Yes, large corporations do care a lot about security; they don't ignore it as Lockit and others have asserted.

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Where I am going with this is that a person being unclear of the technical distinctions between Yahoo messenger, ICQ, or Windoze messenger, is not listed in DSM IV as a sign of a psychiatric disorder such as paranoia.

I have a idea of where you're going, strange as it seems to me. I don't have an idea of where you started from since I don't know of anybody on the thread who has expressed any specific confusion about the collection of "Yahoo messenger service," "ICQ" and "Windoze [sic] Messenger [Service.]

So what the APA does or does not think in DSM IV isn't relevant.

Lothlauren seems confused about generic messenger software and the Microsoft Windows XP operating system but that isn't really relevant to Sinergy's claims.

Another seemed confused about TCP/IP packets, IP addresses, and checksums but that isn't relevant here either.

Since -- and only since -- Sinergy brought up the APA: I don't think the APA would ever have anything good to say about cute in-group misspellings like "Windoze" though in fairness I don't think they'd ever seen the issue so important as to get really upset about it.

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RE: Maybe leaving CM.. A warning - 7/14/2007 9:04:22 PM

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I'm not aware of having failed to answer any relevant questions.

No arguments from me on your ignorance of your failure to answer relevant questions.

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But it has been a long discussion and I'm as human as the next person; there could have been questions I've missed.

The rational solution to this would be to review the thread and determine for yourself what questions you missed, if you do, in fact, consider yourself human and prone to error.

The intellectually lazy thing to do is demand other people do your work for you.

The reason people may not have any interest in doing your work for you might relate back to the insulting tone your posts use. I know that I am seldom interested in going out of my way to do things for people who insult my intelligence or education or experience.

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But again Lockit asserted this and it is up to her to show what those relevant questions are.

She did. So now it is up to you to review the relevant questions you missed.

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If she does I'll endeavor to answer them.

The question then becomes, after your long and seemingly insulting and obtuse posts, whether anybody cares if you answer them or not.

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Or we may find that Lockit makes another wild assertion with the same inability to document this and all the others.

Because, from statements like this, the feeling I get is that you will simply avoid or ignore and refuse to answer any questions, using the "lets insult people" approach to cover up one's own seeming ignorance about hacking and stalking.

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And to again and again and again point something out: I didn't make the assertions that Lockit did. I don't have an obligation to provide evidence that what she asserted is false. She is obligated to show it is true. I'm not obligated to provide evidence involving her claims; the obligation is hers.

You dont even have an obligation to respond at all.

If the only response you know how to give is an insult, perhaps not responding would work better for you.

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RE: Maybe leaving CM.. A warning - 7/14/2007 9:06:29 PM

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So what the APA does or does not think in DSM IV isn't relevant.

You are the one who called Lockit "paranoid."

Why exactly did you bring the APA and psychiatry into this thread?

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RE: Maybe leaving CM.. A warning - 7/14/2007 9:12:29 PM

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I basically asked why you had such an interest in spending so much time slandering me and proving what a horrible person I was, right or wrong. I also asked why you wanted links outside this site to my writing.

I would like to know who you are...

Look... whether I was right or wrong... what is the point of slandering me in the way you have? Doesn't that suggest that you might in fact have one of the issues you accused me of having? So let's beat up the tech non savy person who did say in original post... that it did SEEM that the messenger service was SEEMINGLY the only connection to the hacking of my three computers and four of my friends. Now... all you had to do was correct my wrong assumptions... but no... you chose to attack and slander me, my hacker/stalker story... my sanity... etc.

From your first post you have been after me... who the f are you besides the the person you have proven yourself to be here? Do I need to get paranoid in my fantasy world here? lol

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RE: Maybe leaving CM.. A warning - 7/14/2007 9:15:18 PM

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In reply to Sinergy.

What I do?

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RE: Maybe leaving CM.. A warning - 7/14/2007 9:17:16 PM

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I wasn't replying to you Sinergy... to P... sorry!

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RE: Maybe leaving CM.. A warning - 7/14/2007 9:27:58 PM

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Sinergy,

I thank you for everything you have said during this whole thread!

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RE: Maybe leaving CM.. A warning - 7/14/2007 9:29:55 PM

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Thank you zindyslave and Lothlauren, I am sure I will get everything worked out.

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RE: Maybe leaving CM.. A warning - 7/14/2007 9:42:44 PM

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Lothlauren wrote

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All I have to say is OMG Petronius reread the posts and get a grip. You are on attack with everyone and I have posted the link and the direct quote from microsoft on the Locator item she was talking about, I even pointed out the registry keys that this device uses.

Yet you ignore the evidence and information presented, leaves me baffled at the height of your ignorance.

This continued behaviour from you leaves me thinking one thing about you petronius (TROLL)

Contrary to his claims I don't think that he provided any link to what Lockit was "talking about."

His posts about a hole in the "Windows XP Locator Service" may appear impressive. It might even be impressive.

But it ain't what Lockit started the thread over. She started it over messenger services, not one operating system.

Let me add that Lockit complained of current problems; the Microsoft document is dated 2003.

Good fucking knowledge of computers; bad fucking knowledge of this thread.

Good fucking knowledge of security; bad fucking knowledge of Lockit's original claim.

Lothlauren also claims I am "on attack with everyone." Since I've posted in support of some people and said nothing for or against others, his statement is hardly accurate. I suspect he made it because he 1) is emotionally incapable of understanding English; 2) is intellectually incapable of understanding English; 3) is consciously dishonest. I'll bet on the first, that he lets his emotions override his reality checking, because I don't think he's stupid and I don't think he's out to lie.

But the fact is that, having charged me with ignoring evidence, he ignored evidence when he made his claim of my behavior.

Moreover, I've disagreed with perhaps half a dozen people; Lockit has disagreed with tends of thousands.

I could understand Lothlauren's claim if the situation were reversed. If I claimed, sans evidence, that I knew more about bugs in a messenger service than the company's security department, it would be sort of reasomable for him to think "troll." But Lockit claims that. Perhaps only a troll could suggest that the FBI is more likely right about FBI priorities than Lockit; but if so, Lothlauren and I live in different universes with different zoos.

PS: The way to document a security problem isn't to wave your hands at the Microsoft web site and say you've documented it. It isn't to post abusive bumper stickers or cliches. It is to behave for messenger services the way Lothlauren behaved towards the onetime bug in the Windows XP Locator Service. Lothlauren was wrong about many issues; documenting the Locator bug was not one of them.

I find it quite amusing that people come on here and blow verifiable nonsense out of their ass. I find it even more amusing that when some who actually knows of what they speak the ass-blowers get their panties in a bunch.

Before you choose to pick apart the advice being provided by Lothlauren, you should would stop and really think about the fact that you have not the slightest clue as whom you are talking and what calibur of advice is being offered. Lothlauren has been in the computer industry for 25 yrs, has two full degrees in programming software (graduated 98% in both) security, networking, and software creation, and currently bills for no less then 165/hr for simple consultation fees...let alone what He charges to create systems or to do actual programming (He also holds a first year engineering and is going back for His aeronautical engineering degree soon). His clientbase is mostly large corporations, except Microsoft (He turned down their offers for contract on more then one occasion). I have NEVER seen Him give erroneous advise, nor claim to have knowledge He doesn't truly possess. Your use of particular references and such may be impressive...but cut no real ice with Myself as I have heard so much "tech talk" since getting involved with Lothlauren that what you rattled off is the same as what I would rattle off in My sleep (and I carry no computer degrees).

As for not being smart about the original post and all that was claimed...it CAN happen...I have seen this sort of doggedness before in other situations. With the appropriate programs it is very easy to not only gain control and harrass one through their computer, but to access other addresses that computer visits (ie: friends also being harrassed) and given the fact that malicious code CAN be transferred various ways (not just email...there are alot of different ways to get your code in someone's tower) I wouldn't put it past the reality bounds to suggest this sort of thing to be possible.

Last thing...banks and all other secured sites such as those have a completely different protocol then regular sites...try hacking anything on a secured site (https) and you will run into guys like Lothlauren who are qualified to not only stop you but find your computer and track you down.

I will enjoy your petty attempts to discredit My post along with all the other ones that didn't kiss your ass in agreeance...and NO...this is not an emotional response...it is a realistic one.

Good Luck Lockit...I have seen a few good friends have almost identical situations, and it is always dehabiliatating. Too bad others would rather cut down your warning then taking it in the considerate spirit that it was given. Take care and hope you get him dealt with soon. Anti-stalking laws may be out there but almost impossible to enforce until actual violence takes place. Be safe.

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RE: Maybe leaving CM.. A warning - 7/14/2007 9:50:50 PM

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Wow... all I can say is thank you ShyMistress.

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RE: Maybe leaving CM.. A warning - 7/14/2007 9:53:28 PM

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Anytime...some people can't help being cantankerous when they start getting on in their years...I am trying not to hold it against him

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RE: Maybe leaving CM.. A warning - 7/14/2007 9:54:48 PM

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hm. I don't know if anyone has suggested this....

But have you considered switching to a Mac? Their OS functions differently than Windows which makes it a much more secure system. Not like... more beefed up, but more secure because it just operates so much differently than Windows.

In an attempt to bring this thread back to the original post's topic, and to lighten the load for a couple of participants here, namely:

Lockit - so she can take a breather from having to feel the need to defend herself from what has obviously become nothing more than harrassment bordering on the personal side,

and

Petronius - so that he may also take a breather, step back, and review ALL of the posts in this thread; seeing those that he somehow missed but yet still felt compelled to comment on as if they were never made; to have the opportunity to coherently comment on posts made by others containing proof that he requested; and to generally take stock at how his post have generally not made much sense to the original post,

I'd like to comment on an earlier post by Nikolette, quoted above. She brings up a valid suggestion on how to prevent such hack attacks by changing the hardware one uses. Please, I do not wish to change the flow of this thread into yet another religious war over the virtues and downfalls of specific platforms and their technologies -- that's best served in tech forums hosted on other sites.

I am a Macintosh user. I would recommend a Mac for those who are in the market for new hardware, especially since today's Macs run on Intel processors and can run Windows OSes if so desired. I'm not sure why, since running Windows opens the Mac up to the same viruses, hacks, etc. that Dells, Gateways, or other "PCs" are subject to. But the Mac OS X OSes have been extremely reliable and trouble-free, and most importantly, not picked up any malicious software at all -- at least in my experiences using it (since its inception in 2001).

Having exchanged messages privately with Lockit, I realize that she may not be in a position to take advantage of the security a Mac offers. And I'll be happy to assist her in cleaning up her present system as best as I can. But for others who are considering a change, I'd suggest being open minded long enough to at least give Macs a test drive.

Just food for thought.

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RE: Maybe leaving CM.. A warning - 7/14/2007 9:55:27 PM

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lol oh god... you do know I am old right? hehe

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RE: Maybe leaving CM.. A warning - 7/14/2007 9:58:59 PM

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Petronious, you should quit while you're behind.

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RE: Maybe leaving CM.. A warning - 7/14/2007 10:00:54 PM

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Sappatoti,

Once again, thank you! I am breathing here... lol... once in a while in a pant... but then I hear that's good for you! But don't let me be quoted on that! lol yikes!

I do thank you for your offer of assistance. I will be in touch.

I did have a mac once and bought it used... it did have some problems from age etc... but I was impressed. I wish I still had it! lol I tend to go through computers pretty fast lately! lol

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