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RE: Maybe leaving CM.. A warning - 7/13/2007 12:16:39 PM   
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do you use a wireless network in your home?  it's pretty straightforward to "sniff" the connection from outside...

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RE: Maybe leaving CM.. A warning - 7/13/2007 1:14:16 PM   
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I am amazed at the level of paranoia in the BDSM community reflected in this conversation.

One person presents a paranoid fantasy of almost classical style, of a nefarious hacker of inhuman brilliance discovering a bug in software, and then using it to stalk her in various ways.

The rest of the community buys into it.

When I challenged her fantasy, Lockit responded with more fantasy and imagination.

Why, I asked, would somebody who discovered a bug worth millions and millions and millions of dollars decide to stalk her instead of robbing banks.

Lockit responded "maybe he doesn't need money... maybe he needs a lil slave girl with the right body parts, that comes in an intelligent package and he's a sick puck..."

But this is simply the invention of a new reality to support the old paranoid reality. In the entire history of the world, has there ever been a case where some multimillionaire with a hankering for a slave didn't simply pay to have the slave kidnapped? Look at Lookit's fantasy: he doesn't need the money that the brilliant hack would give him; he wants a slave; he doesn't use his money to kidnap the slave; he uses the multimillion dollar bug to harass somebody online. Again I say it is pure paranoid fantasy, supporting itself with newly invented fantasies of the genius wealthy hacker too stupid and poor to simply buy a kidnapping.

Then almost everybody else in the BDSM community interested enough in the topic buys into it, rushing to help the poor stalker victim and punish the big bad monster under the bed.

Petronius

PS: Actually, another person suggested the core problem may not be paranoia but a narcissist out for attention and using paranoia to get it. That may well be true but doesn't contradict the paranoid actions.




Petronius,

I decided long ago that I would not carry on message board arguments, for many reasons, but you have inspired me to change my mind.  Not that I can argue with you and get anywhere… I know I can’t… but your ignorance of opinion is just that.  Tell your line of crap to those who might fall for it… for I am not the only one that has been stalked and hacked into and there are others who have mentioned it here on this thread and many have emailed me.

I cannot know the mind of a person that would do such things; nor can you it seems.  You just cannot fathom anyone hacking into another’s computer because you think the only purpose would be to rob banks.  Can you imagine for one moment that one who might have the ability to hack into computers might be afraid that they would be caught doing so if they did take on some entity bigger than a woman they wish to harass?

Are you saying there aren’t stalkers and hackers for other than bank robbery?  Are you saying that the men whose computers were ruined are delusional along with me?  Are you saying that the only online predators/hackers/stalkers/virus spreading people are in the minds of mentally and emotionally sick women who have a fantasy and need attention because there is no other motivation for such things other than monetary value?  Just what are you saying?

I won’t even discredit myself in trying to defend myself to one such as you.  I think you are a closed minded, singular thinking, opinionated person.  Now… we each think badly of one another… big deal!

You basically call me a liar.  Have you thought for one moment that I can back up my claims?  {shakes head}  You meet all kinds online and you are a fine example of that!

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RE: Maybe leaving CM.. A warning - 7/13/2007 1:17:53 PM   
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http://wiredsafety.org/cyberstalking_harassment//

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RE: Maybe leaving CM.. A warning - 7/13/2007 1:32:53 PM   
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Well that basically settles it for me. This is at best an attempt to get attention and at worst some sort of paranoia.

Too many things didn't add up. Especially the whole cops and FBI wouldn't do anything. I've dealt with the feds and local police on network intrusion stuff and the FBI and federal prosecutor's offices have always been very interested in stopping any sort of ID theft or stalking activity. Some cop sent you to Circuit City? Please.

Now numerous people have told you how to end your problem and rather than listening to experts and trying out our proffered solutions you either ignore it or claim you're not technical enough to do it right. But you have read enough to know a garbled factoid about windows locater service. Seems to me some guy starts mucking with your life you would get educated on how to deal with the guy in a big hurry but here we are supposedly quite some time down the road with a trail of abandoned computers behind you and you're claiming ignorance of basic PC secuirty practices. So either you IQ is around 60 or you're not telling the truth.

Now it is possible for some twit with basic computer skills to get and send you a keylogger, which is the only way to accomplish what you claim this guy has done, but even the most basic advice on protecting yourself mentioned here and surely in every other place you have ever made these claims would have found the malware and allowed you to remove it. That you still claim ignorance on how he does it and make no claims about what AV and malware scanners this guy has defeated is beyond suspicious.

Finally you defend yourself by claiming that people support you by email. The classic defense of the net loon.

buh bye.

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RE: Maybe leaving CM.. A warning - 7/13/2007 1:35:45 PM   
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DomKen,

I just got online and was rather upset with the charges leveled at me by this person.  I have not been able to address anything else at this moment, but I am working on it.  I cannot function well on this computer and am arranging for someone to copy the advice given so that I can assure better protection on my next machine.

I can only think and type so fast sir.

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RE: Maybe leaving CM.. A warning - 7/13/2007 1:44:39 PM   
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A firewall on your computer, hardware or software, blocks traffic coming in to your computer.  It closes off unused "ports" which are software constructs designed to take certain types of message traffic.  An example of a port is 8008 or 80, which accepts HTML (hypertext markup language) type connections, allowing web pages to download onto your computer for browsing.  In my experience building secure systems, the conclusions we came to was that linux firewalls dont really work all that well, hardware firewalls can be attacked but are generally secure, software firewalls are slightly more effective than linux firewalls.  Personally, I dont put anything I care about on a system that has a wire connecting itself to the internet.  Additionally, for the truly paranoid, beaming microwaves at certain frequencies through your computer allows somebody to snoop register activity.  Not sure exactly why somebody would want to snoop my computer activity, but there ya go.

Various types of methodologies to get into your computer are to "sniff" (software and hardware programs designed for this) at your IP connection.  The poll the various ports on your computer until they find one unguarded and get into it.  Putting in a virus (which your virus software may/may not find) protection software only works if you have a virus with a pattern known by the person who put out the virus software.

What is the cause of a lot of attacks on your computer actually involve downloading something (like a web page, an attachment to an email, something uploaded via your messenger service, etc.  This program then runs on your computer, prowls around and finds information based on it's payload, and then uploads it to wherever it is designed to be uploaded to.  Windoze Vista, Norton or McAfee internet security monitor outbound traffic on your computer and either block it automatically  or prompt the user whether they want the traffic blocked.

The point I am making is that traffic on your computer is bi-directional.  A firewall generally only blocks inbound connections, and if the software is already on your computer feeding outbound then odds are fairly good putting in a firewall will not help you.  Research internet security and firewalls or get somebody (not a salesperson or tech support person at a large chain company making peanuts) to configure your system for you to scan and set up methodologies to prevent this sort of thing.

Good luck!

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RE: Maybe leaving CM.. A warning - 7/13/2007 1:54:50 PM   
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I did call the police and FBI… I don’t know how I can prove that other than getting a police report and posting it… The FBI call I could most likely only prove by phone records.  Both something I cannot present here.  I am sorry you don’t believe that, but as others have said on this thread… these agencies don’t always respond or do anything.  I am not alone in this opinion.  Maybe sometimes it is all a matter of who you get when you call these agencies and their ignorance or opinions of the situation… I don’t know.  All I know is that I have done all I can to get help with this.

I have read all of the post and am trying to wrap my mind around a lot of it.  Trying to figure out how one thing fits into another and what might be best to do. I do not plan on keeping this computer running as it is too far gone.  I cannot defrag, add anything on, download or anything. This man has gotten through Norton, zonealarm, Avg, spam filters, different security measures of routers, using another computer as a firewall, etc.  I have no clue how he has done it and I only know what I have learned from this incident.  Each step of the way, I have done everything I could to combat whatever he was doing or whatever strange thing happened and have taken and done everything everyone has told me to do.  Then thinking I had secured myself, I went about my online activities and there he was again.




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RE: Maybe leaving CM.. A warning - 7/13/2007 2:01:05 PM   
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my question is...why are you still online?
if someone had done this to me, i would be off my computer so freakin fast it make his head spin.


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RE: Maybe leaving CM.. A warning - 7/13/2007 2:03:14 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: Lockit

DomKen,

I just got online and was rather upset with the charges leveled at me by this person.  I have not been able to address anything else at this moment, but I am working on it.  I cannot function well on this computer and am arranging for someone to copy the advice given so that I can assure better protection on my next machine.

I can only think and type so fast sir.


Lockit, stalking is a very serious problem and it shouldn't be dismissed by anyone.
The cops told me that all they can do is arrest the guy but that he'll get out after a few days or a week.
Then he said; "Oh well, someone will get him."

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RE: Maybe leaving CM.. A warning - 7/13/2007 2:04:48 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: Lockit

I did call the police and FBI… I don’t know how I can prove that other than getting a police report and posting it… The FBI call I could most likely only prove by phone records.  Both something I cannot present here.  I am sorry you don’t believe that, but as others have said on this thread… these agencies don’t always respond or do anything.  I am not alone in this opinion.  Maybe sometimes it is all a matter of who you get when you call these agencies and their ignorance or opinions of the situation… I don’t know.  All I know is that I have done all I can to get help with this.

I have read all of the post and am trying to wrap my mind around a lot of it.  Trying to figure out how one thing fits into another and what might be best to do. I do not plan on keeping this computer running as it is too far gone.  I cannot defrag, add anything on, download or anything. This man has gotten through Norton, zonealarm, Avg, spam filters, different security measures of routers, using another computer as a firewall, etc.  I have no clue how he has done it and I only know what I have learned from this incident.  Each step of the way, I have done everything I could to combat whatever he was doing or whatever strange thing happened and have taken and done everything everyone has told me to do.  Then thinking I had secured myself, I went about my online activities and there he was again.






From what you describe, he has put a back door on your computer.  The traffic you need to block is outbound, not inbound.

My suggestion would be to re-image (reload the software from a clean copy off a CD-Rom), install something like Norton or McAfee Internet Security, have it prompt you for any outbound connections, and then start reloading things and researching what it is asking you for until you find something you dont recognize, and block it making the outbound connection.

Download all messenger programs, etc., with fresh copies off the main site.  Switch browsers.  Etc.

Good luck!

Sinergy

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RE: Maybe leaving CM.. A warning - 7/13/2007 2:06:13 PM   
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Being on this site it the only way I can email anyone.  All my accounts and theirs have been compromized.  I must be able to email people because of my situation.  I do plan on going offline to all but my personal friends once I have a new computer and security measures suggested here.  I realized after making my post that there was a lot of information that I didn't know and could learn here, so I am staying until I can copy it all, understand it and use it.

I am very thankful for those that have taken the time to give me the information.  It will be used.  Thank you.

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RE: Maybe leaving CM.. A warning - 7/13/2007 2:43:16 PM   
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Lockit, I can understand not wanting to lose this means of communication with your friends. However, if I had someone stalking me online, the very last thing I would do is put a thread online in black and white where he could read it describing how mad, irritated, scared, tactics I am using, tactics I am thinking of using, advice from others how to deal with him. A thread like this in the hands of a cyber stalker could be used as a guide as you are detailing all of your possible moves and also to satisfy whatever sick part of their mind gets off on your torment.

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RE: Maybe leaving CM.. A warning - 7/13/2007 2:51:40 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: mistoferin

Lockit, I can understand not wanting to lose this means of communication with your friends. However, if I had someone stalking me online, the very last thing I would do is put a thread online in black and white where he could read it describing how mad, irritated, scared, tactics I am using, tactics I am thinking of using, advice from others how to deal with him. A thread like this in the hands of a cyber stalker could be used as a guide as you are detailing all of your possible moves and also to satisfy whatever sick part of their mind gets off on your torment.


Not really.  Pretty standard computer hacker avoidance stuff I am posting.

Now some of the other poster's contributions...

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RE: Maybe leaving CM.. A warning - 7/13/2007 2:57:21 PM   
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I would just be damned if I gave him the satisfaction of knowing that he was bothering me in the slightest.

The only thing that would even bother me about the situation would be the damage to the computers. From what I am reading there are ways around that. Beyond that, he's just some idiot online and I would not perceive him as a real threat.

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RE: Maybe leaving CM.. A warning - 7/13/2007 3:08:43 PM   
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hm. I don't know if anyone has suggested this....

But have you considered switching to a Mac? Their OS functions differently than Windows which makes it a much more secure system. Not like... more beefed up, but more secure because it just operates so much differently than Windows.



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RE: Maybe leaving CM.. A warning - 7/13/2007 3:10:59 PM   
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Mistoferin, that is a very good point.  In a sense I have struggled with a lot of that in all of this.  Do I let him control my life?  Do I run and hide or stay in hiding?  Do I stop my online activities and connections?

I didn’t want this man controlling my life in any way and made myself as safe as I could personally do and continued with my life, research, relationships, etc.  I will continue to do so offline or in new circumstances using a lot of info given here as it is in general information in some part and then some other measures not posted here.  Disappearing seems to be the best option and that is what I plan on doing.  He won’t find me again.

I just wanted to warn others who didn’t know the gaps in messenger services and to say good bye.  If that makes me a drama queen, unwise… whatever… then so be it.  I had no idea this would evolve as it has.

I am and always will be thankful for the learning I have received on this site.  I only hope that in some way, someone has been able to use this thread to learn something they didn’t know.  I know that it has helped me!

Thank you

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RE: Maybe leaving CM.. A warning - 7/13/2007 3:34:47 PM   
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Of course stalking exists. Of course harassment exists. What doesn't exist is Lockit's paranoid explanations of what she claims is her victimhood. Real victims deserve better than to have reality distorted by tales like those presented by Lockit.

Contrary to what Lockit now claims, the issue she posed was never mere stalking and harassment. It was a particular type of technologically-based crime where she wrote "If you use a messenger service for communications with people you meet online... if they have the wherewithal, they can use that to get into your computer. ..."

The reality is that this just ain't so.

Lockit writes incredulously of my focus on somebody making "millions" of dollars.

Let's look at reality.

I know of no authoritative reports that messenger services have the holes in them that Lockit so casually claimed. I've never read a single account of this by Hotmail or AOL or Yahoo. I've never read a single report of some security breach by hackers around places like 2600 Magazine or security people around groups like L0pht [sic] Heavy Industries. I've never seen a single article on it in industry magazines like PC or in technical web sites like Slash Dot.

If one could use a messenger service to control a computer the genius hacker who discovered this would target employees of major banks who improperly use the service from work. Then, having gotten control of the computers, would simply rip off the banks for millions of dollars.

The genius hacker would hardly waste all of his time with somebody like Lockit.

She simply presents a paranoid fantasy of almost classic style.

One aspect of paranoia is the almost-inhuman genius attributed to the evil nasties coupled with an ostensible action that is utterly out of proportion and incomprehensible to normal rational thought.

Space aliens don't travel jillions and jillions of miles to give Mr. Smith a secret anal probe.

The CIA didn't secretly take over all the leftwing groups in the US so that years later they could later misdirect a probe into the Kennedy assassination by Mrs. Jones, an otherwise simple housewife from Dry Throat, Arizona.

And a genius hacker who could discover a loophole in messenger services undiscovered by every security expert in the world would not waste time using it to stalk Lockit.

I'm not indifferent to Lockit's experiences.

But I'm far more interested in the real victims of real stalking and real harassment who must, in addition to the real crimes against them, deal with the wild tales and technological nonsense posted by Lockit and people like her. They deserve a public educated about reality, not miseducated by wild narcissistic and paranoid claims.

The solution to Lockit's problems seems to me to rest not with Windows Task Manager or Norton's security programs; it rests with psychotherapy.

I've also found that the paranoid person who can instantly invent principles attributed to science, history, and the like, is able to denounce people who actually know something as "ignorant" or uneducated. So it is with Lockit in this area as well.

quote:


[Petronius's] ignorance of opinion is just that.  Tell your line of crap to those who might fall for it… for I am not the only one that has been stalked and hacked into and there are others who have mentioned it here on this thread and many have emailed me.


Nobody on this thread has written about being hacked by a hole in a messenger service. While I can't read minds, I strongly suspect that not a single person has written Lockit confirming it. I equally suspect she simply invented the claim.

I also suspect that she has no idea of what the security services from companies like Hotmail or Yahoo are "unlikely to investigate." I can't imagine something that would trigger a faster investigation than a security hole of the size Lockit claims.

I also suspect that Lockit has never heard of groups like 2600 Magazine or L0pht or Norton where one could get accurate information.

She wrote that "They say anything can be traced...." I strongly suspect that she can't name a single reputable security person or group who made that claim. Those familiar with modern computer security in both the universities and the street state that public key cryptography coupled with a chain of anonymous remailers is untraceable.

Other technical farces in her claims were, I thought, well presented by DomKen. While I personally like to use more established terms like "paranoia" and "narcissism" I must admit there's a certain amount of street truth in DomKen's conclusion about Lockit:

quote:


Finally you defend yourself by claiming that people support you by email. The classic defense of the net loon.



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RE: Maybe leaving CM.. A warning - 7/13/2007 3:37:19 PM   
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I know you have indicated that computers are not your thing.  What I would ask is, what security do you have on your pc?(all of them?)
 
- I would recommend AVG and zone alarm to start with, even if you are prepared to go out and spend, start with these first.  Windows defender is downloadable from the microsoft site and that is an anti-spyware.  Previx is an anti spyware too - fucks with everything on a pc because it is that good  - however it is really good at finding shit on a pc and pulling it - so even if you pull the freebie and use it for a week to clear your PC then uninstall, and have to reinstall a few things after, it really is worth the time and hassle.
 
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RE: Maybe leaving CM.. A warning - 7/13/2007 3:55:50 PM   
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You simply have to go to Microsoft Security Bulletin to find windows media and MSN vulnerability reports.  Only a few months back there was a report of an opening in MSN that they have since patched - but obviously we have no idea when she was 'hacked' or attacked.
 
Now of course, and I do mean this in a killing with kindness way - anyone without proper security on their computers are completely naive.  But whether what Lockit is going through, or not as you believe holds really no matter.  It is being discussed and people can learn from such a thread.
 
At the end of last year, I assisted a friend of mine whos' PC was hacked and infected with a trojan from a hacker who had access to all her passwords because she (stupidly) kept them on her pc.  Not all hackers are into wanting millions - they simply want to control sometimes just one, or even a handful of people.  So a thread like this can alert people to their own stupidity.
 
Don't keep personal information on a PC.
Don't download from an unknown source.
Don't enter a password when prompted... always go back to the first main page yourself.
Don't enter any personal information on a prompt EVER.
Don't open mail from an unknown email address.
If you are using a financial site of any kind - bank, credit card, paypal etc - always type it in, don't go from a link and always double check that you spelt the address 100% correctly.  There are bogus sites out there with similar names and copycat pages that WILL be fake.
 
It's the same as letting someone into your house without asking for ID first - yet people do it CONSTANTLY.  I am often amazed at the stupidity of people and the info they share online, just because it 'looks' like a legitimate page or site.  You wouldn't give information to a stranger over the phone - so DONT do it on the net either.
 
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RE: Maybe leaving CM.. A warning - 7/13/2007 4:13:34 PM   
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It is clear to me that I have gotten poor information and have apparently not found the right people to report my issue with. But I do have to say, I have witnesses in person that have been with me when I made reports and calls and dealt with creating a more secure computer.  People known to me and not.  There were sound reasons I did not get a protective order and such.  I am ignorant to computer tech knowledge and have had to feel my way through on the information available to me at the time.  In my claim about messenger services, I did say the only connection to it all seems to be the messenger service and it seemed to me to be the problem.  I have also had others tell me this, but I do not know their degree of knowledge.

Because of the many post from persons who do understand such things, I am able to see now how he must have done this and the different ways he did it.  I cannot claim ignorance now and will use what I have learned.  I am very thankful for the assistance I have been given here.

As for the psychological evaluations… what can I say?  You are basing this on one thread, not knowing me and technical knowledge that I do not have.  I am just the average online customer who is learning a great deal in some aspects.  I can neither defend myself here or change anyone’s mind.  I can only stand on my word and my word means little to you… but a lot to those who know me. 

Now… I need to finish up what business I have here and I need to be shutting down.  I don’t wish to run out on an argument or slip away because I have been found out… but I do have other things to attend to other than defending my honor here and have some life outside of here that I need to work on.  I will stick around for a bit so that I can face whatever music there is to face… but I can’t be here for long.  I am not in any danger because of this thread and the hacker can only read and enjoy… for whatever good that will do him… so I will stay until this is put to rest or cannot be put to rest or the computer dies… then I am out.


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