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RE: Women are...stupid and bossy and men listen? - 7/13/2007 7:40:02 PM   
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Objective consideration:

IQ may or may not be valid. That Gould guy I mentioned? Anyone can think anything, look him up.

Objective consideration deux:

So you are proposing that correct compensation in the work place be tied to IQ testing rather than skills or abilities relevant to the work performed? That would work well.

In my line of work, I'm paid "According to what I know, not what I do".

However, that being said, studies also bear out that greater IQ doesn't translate directly to greater net worth.  People with higher IQs earn more statistically, but they aren't any better about saving it.

My hypothesis, not that I've seen it tested anywhere, is that people both considerably above or below the average IQ of their society become more socially awkward due to not seeing things the same way as the rest of the herd.  Anyone seen anything on that topic before?



I've heard what your saying here and have heard it elsewhere....it has nothing to do with your previous statements...

social awkwardness?  its another switch of topic, people can be socially awkward regardless of their intelligence....

its also kind of faulty to say that studies say IQ doesn't translate to extra money and then in the next sentence say say that IQ does translate to extra money but they save it no better...

One sentence is saying opposite of the other.....I'm not being critical of what your saying because I know for certain its not you, but the info that is at fault there...its interesting that you mentioning it the way you did brings to light how faulty what they tried to say really is....

I've heard this before, so can relate that this was said by a third party....

I'd strongly suggest dropping the idea that men are better than women or that women are better than men....neither are true....

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RE: Women are...stupid and bossy and men listen? - 7/13/2007 7:45:43 PM   
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*Takes a big breath to summon up patience to reply......*
 
Because when faced with a common sense, logical, argument as to why they should follow the common sense, logical female route, even men (Dominant ones included) usually have the smarts to concede.

Did you read the study about how they determined this, and the criteria for measuring?


Nah. Personal experience I'd say. Otherwise we have to start digressing into the validity of Chi-squares and P values, because study or no, this will just be another of those debates where no-one will win, as such. And IQ just isn't the be-all and end-all of the matter. As an example I've met a Univ prof who was absolutely brilliant, fully tenured, world expert in an engineering field... and who had zero integrity (flagrant adulterer and as best I could determine a pathological liar). Compare that to the construction worker who with not vast pots of smarts at his disposal, sure had a ton of integrity (loyal, honest - values that I include in my definition of integrity). If I was to try and perpetuate the species, then I'd take the lower IQ dude anyday thankyou.
 
News articles have, in the past, commented on our educational systems, where male students often receive more attention and stimulus from teachers when it comes to maths and sciences, and that female students tend to be intimidated in co-ed classes. Raises the whole issue of whether uni-sex education has merit. How would the study outcomes change if they concentrated on results from that kind of educational system?
 
Brain size: we don't use even half of what's there anyway (and thats in the public domain, so I won't cite) regardless of whether we're male or female, so thats a moot point as I see it.

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RE: Women are...stupid and bossy and men listen? - 7/13/2007 7:51:48 PM   
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its also kind of faulty to say that studies say IQ doesn't translate to extra money and then in the next sentence say say that IQ does translate to extra money but they save it no better...
One sentence is saying opposite of the other.....I'm not being critical of what your saying because I know for certain its not you, but the info that is at fault there...its interesting that you mentioning it the way you did brings to light how faulty what they tried to say really is....

You do know what net worth is versus earning power, don't you?

Men and women each have their strengths, the things they as a gender excel at, that's not the point.  Are we really going to relive the 50s and that silly battle of the sexes before we can have a scientific conversation?


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RE: Women are...stupid and bossy and men listen? - 7/13/2007 7:54:41 PM   
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*Takes a big breath to summon up patience to reply......*
 
Because when faced with a common sense, logical, argument as to why they should follow the common sense, logical female route, even men (Dominant ones included) usually have the smarts to concede.

Did you read the study about how they determined this, and the criteria for measuring?


Nah. Personal experience I'd say. Otherwise we have to start digressing into the validity of Chi-squares and P values, because study or no, this will just be another of those debates where no-one will win, as such. And IQ just isn't the be-all and end-all of the matter. As an example I've met a Univ prof who was absolutely brilliant, fully tenured, world expert in an engineering field... and who had zero integrity (flagrant adulterer and as best I could determine a pathological liar). Compare that to the construction worker who with not vast pots of smarts at his disposal, sure had a ton of integrity (loyal, honest - values that I include in my definition of integrity). If I was to try and perpetuate the species, then I'd take the lower IQ dude anyday thankyou.
 
News articles have, in the past, commented on our educational systems, where male students often receive more attention and stimulus from teachers when it comes to maths and sciences, and that female students tend to be intimidated in co-ed classes. Raises the whole issue of whether uni-sex education has merit. How would the study outcomes change if they concentrated on results from that kind of educational system?
 
Brain size: we don't use even half of what's there anyway (and thats in the public domain, so I won't cite) regardless of whether we're male or female, so thats a moot point as I see it.

Funny how "Japanese students are smarter than American students" doesn't phase us, but make it about gender and people get so mad they can't see straight.


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RE: Women are...stupid and bossy and men listen? - 7/13/2007 7:55:57 PM   
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News articles have, in the past, commented on our educational systems, where male students often receive more attention and stimulus from teachers when it comes to maths and sciences, and that female students tend to be intimidated in co-ed classes. Raises the whole issue of whether uni-sex education has merit. How would the study outcomes change if they concentrated on results from that kind of educational system? 



And books like The War Against Boys shows how our society doesn't do right by our young males.
 
I know a lot of stupid people; some are men, some are women. I know a lot of smart people; some are men, some are women.

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RE: Women are...stupid and bossy and men listen? - 7/13/2007 8:00:41 PM   
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WHAT MAKES YOU THINK YOU ARE PERFECT? ALL YOU GUYS THINK THAT WHAT IS   IN YOUR PANTS IS ALL THAT IS IMPORTANT. BULL I WOULD LIKE TO
CUT IT OFF

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RE: Women are...stupid and bossy and men listen? - 7/13/2007 8:05:31 PM   
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ORIGINAL: ThinkingKitten
News articles have, in the past, commented on our educational systems, where male students often receive more attention and stimulus from teachers when it comes to maths and sciences, and that female students tend to be intimidated in co-ed classes. Raises the whole issue of whether uni-sex education has merit. How would the study outcomes change if they concentrated on results from that kind of educational system?

Facinating question!  This is exactly the sort of response I was interested in.  If women overall have less smarts, why is that and what can we do about it?  I'm all for smart women, that's hawt!  Smart people in general really.


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RE: Women are...stupid and bossy and men listen? - 7/13/2007 8:07:02 PM   
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WHAT MAKES YOU THINK YOU ARE PERFECT? ALL YOU GUYS THINK THAT WHAT IS   IN YOUR PANTS IS ALL THAT IS IMPORTANT. BULL I WOULD LIKE TO
CUT IT OFF

Dude, you have some major issues!  I don't judge based on gender.  Get a sex change so I can hit you, since I wouldn't fight with a girl.


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RE: Women are...stupid and bossy and men listen? - 7/13/2007 8:16:55 PM   
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WHAT MAKES YOU THINK YOU ARE PERFECT? ALL YOU GUYS THINK THAT WHAT IS   IN YOUR PANTS IS ALL THAT IS IMPORTANT. BULL I WOULD LIKE TO
CUT IT OFF


this was really pathetic.  Unless a woman is lesbian or already attached, alot of a woman's time is spent finding a suitable boyfriend.  Women want men, men want women.  Its not an ego thing at all....

You definitely got some issues to work out.....

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RE: Women are...stupid and bossy and men listen? - 7/13/2007 8:18:33 PM   
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THE PROBLEM WITH ALL YOU GUYS IS YOU THINK YOU ARE BETTER THAN ALL WELL YOU ARE NOT AND I AM NOT GAY I AM STRAIGHT

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RE: Women are...stupid and bossy and men listen? - 7/13/2007 8:18:59 PM   
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I DO NOT THINK YOU WOULD GET A  CHANCE YOU MORON


most normal men don't want to have their member cut off by some psycho...I can guarantee the OP has no interest in you, get over it wannabe domme......

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RE: Women are...stupid and bossy and men listen? - 7/13/2007 8:20:32 PM   
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ITS OKAY FOR GUYS TO CALL US STUPID AND WE ARE
NOT SUPPOSE TO SAY ANYTHING.AND
THATS OKAY. BEING A DOM MYSELF
I DO NOT AGREE 

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RE: Women are...stupid and bossy and men listen? - 7/13/2007 8:24:56 PM   
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get a grip. i'm not lesbian, not attached and not actively looking. and a LOT of my time is spent studying. Reba may have some ... issues, but please... realise there's a whole lot of things out there of which you know nothing. women being one of those "things"

children, please, can we cease and desist with the name calling? honestly, like watching pre-schoolers

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RE: Women are...stupid and bossy and men listen? - 7/13/2007 8:25:34 PM   
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RE: Women are...stupid and bossy and men listen? - 7/13/2007 8:26:19 PM   
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Last time I read you on here you were going on about a girl that tended to think for herself & had opinions that she wasn't shy about expressing & you were rather disturbed that she didn't fall in line like a good subbie should by modify her thinking & opinions to mirror your own...

Now you want to come on here & point out that women supposedly have a lower IQ than men.

If there is any truth to this "study" why would this be an issue for you? Seems like you like them to be mindless twits that can be easily reprogrammed.

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RE: Women are...stupid and bossy and men listen? - 7/13/2007 8:28:15 PM   
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THE THINGS MEN SAY ABOUT US, MAKE YOU  FEEL LIKE DOING HORRIBLE THINGS TO THEM

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RE: Women are...stupid and bossy and men listen? - 7/13/2007 8:30:21 PM   
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My hypothesis, not that I've seen it tested anywhere, is that people both considerably above or below the average IQ of their society become more socially awkward due to not seeing things the same way as the rest of the herd.  Anyone seen anything on that topic before?



Now this statement I definitely agree with. Peers tend to laugh at those with below average intelligence. Having a high IQ isn't much easier. Imagine being the only one in a class who understands something and being told to go read a book while the teacher explains the assignment a second time to everyone else. Many men resent intelligent women. I'm always accused of being too complex to deal with. I conducted an experiment a few years ago on a guy I liked. When I showed intelligence, he couldn't stand me. When I started acting stupid he fell for me. I was given two IQ tests. My lowest score was a 169, the highest a 173. I've never really fit in with anyone. I think having a high IQ is worse in many ways than having a low one.

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RE: Women are...stupid and bossy and men listen? - 7/13/2007 8:31:51 PM   
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I used to know a man that would make some really inflammatory statements to get a rise out of people.

I knew what his plan was... i just laugh and ignore....best way to shut somebody up..

How many studies on anything get disproved by another study. Doesn't matter what it is/was. No matter what the topic.. It is enough to drive a person crazy...

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RE: Women are...stupid and bossy and men listen? - 7/13/2007 8:32:21 PM   
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If there is any truth to this "study" why would this be an issue for you? Seems like you like them to be mindless twits that can be easily reprogrammed.

I don't speak moron, there would be a potential language barrier problem in that case.  I'm all for smarts.


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RE: Women are...stupid and bossy and men listen? - 7/13/2007 8:34:25 PM   
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