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RE: Women are...stupid and bossy and men listen? - 7/15/2007 2:11:10 PM   
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I agree with justheather's comments, if denigrating a gender you hope to mate with works for you, keep it up.  For me, a woman who would want to have sex with a man who so devalues her intrinsic humanity is not somebody I would ever be interested in having sex with.

I never said I devalue someone based on their smarts, or that someone with a 124 IQ for example shouldn't date someone with a 120 IQ regardless of which gender is which.  I'm talking about what this means about society overall.



Mine is 168.  What's yours????

Apparently a high IQ doesn't lend itsself nessecarily to complete sentences and legal punctuation.


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RE: Women are...stupid and bossy and men listen? - 7/15/2007 2:15:29 PM   
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its also kind of faulty to say that studies say IQ doesn't translate to extra money and then in the next sentence say say that IQ does translate to extra money but they save it no better...
One sentence is saying opposite of the other.....I'm not being critical of what your saying because I know for certain its not you, but the info that is at fault there...its interesting that you mentioning it the way you did brings to light how faulty what they tried to say really is....

You do know what net worth is versus earning power, don't you?

Men and women each have their strengths, the things they as a gender excel at, that's not the point.  Are we really going to relive the 50s and that silly battle of the sexes before we can have a scientific conversation?



read the title of this thread, there is no scientific basis....the articles are not even worth reading...

There have been actual scientific studies on the differences of men and women, and those didn't talk about "women being bossy and stupid and men listening..."

Not everyone is equal in terms of what they offer or what they are capable of, and they shouldn't be treated equally in terms of their salary (and aren't), but they should be treated equally.

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RE: Women are...stupid and bossy and men listen? - 7/15/2007 2:18:11 PM   
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Status: offline 		IQ shows vaguely 10 areas of intelligence.  There are approximately 200 areas of intelligence.  Having good common sense is one of them.  Its very possible to be extremely intelligent in IQ, but have no common sense...

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RE: Women are...stupid and bossy and men listen? - 7/15/2007 2:21:22 PM   
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Men tend to yield to female judgement? I suppose it's more the culture than a species-wide truth you're looking at.

And, hey. While it may not be the best of ideas to generalize deeply down the gender line, you are free to explore such generalizations, including their pros and cons. Concerns for the reprocutions of such inquary should not deter one from making it when such reprocutions are avoidable. (In other words- some people were bashing you for suggesting women are inferior when you're a heterosexual male. Screw it. You have these thoughts, it's good you vocalized them. If your ideas are true, then screw it if it annoys people. If they're not, vocalizing them will help you to understand why they're not, leading to increased understanding. Accepting something on the basis of "let's not talk about it, you'll get less pussy over the Internet" is a horrid compromise.)

My thoughts exactly.  4 points isn't quite a tragedy anyway in my opinion, but it's enough to make me want to ask questions about the study and the meaning of it if it's true.


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RE: Women are...stupid and bossy and men listen? - 7/15/2007 2:24:49 PM   
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A couple of thoughts.  

1.There are volumes of studies indicating that human brain size (absent deformity) has ABSOLUTELY NO RELATIONSHIP to any empirical measure of intelligence. NONE. Einstein's brain was anatomically pretty average, at least within our ability to test its structure.

2. They also have better command of language.

#1   Brain size isn't nessecarily all that matters, but all things being equal it is an advantage or is it?

#2   Is there anything that indicated this in a study?


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RE: Women are...stupid and bossy and men listen? - 7/15/2007 2:26:44 PM   
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its also kind of faulty to say that studies say IQ doesn't translate to extra money and then in the next sentence say say that IQ does translate to extra money but they save it no better...
One sentence is saying opposite of the other.....I'm not being critical of what your saying because I know for certain its not you, but the info that is at fault there...its interesting that you mentioning it the way you did brings to light how faulty what they tried to say really is....

You do know what net worth is versus earning power, don't you?

Men and women each have their strengths, the things they as a gender excel at, that's not the point.  Are we really going to relive the 50s and that silly battle of the sexes before we can have a scientific conversation?



read the title of this thread, there is no scientific basis....the articles are not even worth reading...

There have been actual scientific studies on the differences of men and women, and those didn't talk about "women being bossy and stupid and men listening..."

Not everyone is equal in terms of what they offer or what they are capable of, and they shouldn't be treated equally in terms of their salary (and aren't), but they should be treated equally.

Sure, let's not bother to be informed about the material this thread is about...


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RE: Women are...stupid and bossy and men listen? - 7/15/2007 2:27:48 PM   
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IQ shows vaguely 10 areas of intelligence.  There are approximately 200 areas of intelligence.  Having good common sense is one of them.  Its very possible to be extremely intelligent in IQ, but have no common sense...

Are you saying there is a standardized test for common sense?


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RE: Women are...stupid and bossy and men listen? - 7/15/2007 2:36:37 PM   
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They (women) also have better command of language


I expect that is why most of the great novelists authors playwrites poets librettists orators philosophers  are men. NO?

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RE: Women are...stupid and bossy and men listen? - 7/15/2007 2:49:12 PM   
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Status: offline 		The study has little value to me....I don't understand the people who find some interest or validity within it.  I enjoy the company of a sharp, intelligent and witty woman...I have no use for stupidity from men or women and tend to distance myself from them whenever possible....If you like the idea that women are not as intelligent as men, good for you! If it gives you comfort...I could care less.  If it bolsters your sense of pride to find a report that touts the mental superiority of men then you are probably delusional and would probably score less in intelligence and self worth than the most dumb and damaged of women.

I am discerning about who I hang with....It appears that many are not.

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RE: Women are...stupid and bossy and men listen? - 7/15/2007 3:01:32 PM   
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Status: offline 		What's sad is that people are measuring the entirety of a person's intelligence with a test. Knowing that the triangle comes after the square in a pattern has little to do with how smart a person actually is.

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RE: Women are...stupid and bossy and men listen? - 7/15/2007 3:05:44 PM   
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And, much like other parts of the male body, having a big one does not automatically mean you know how to use it.



HAHAHAHAHAHA Excellent point!!!!!!!!!!!!

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RE: Women are...stupid and bossy and men listen? - 7/15/2007 3:05:59 PM   
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Well this stuff just hit the news this week.  I'm really curious what people think.  Of course, thinking about it for real doesn't seem to be happening much.  I guess I give people too much credit sometimes, but you're right, maybe eventually I will expect less of people and not bring up unpopular theories with the expectation that people will actually want to consider it objectively.  Oh well.



If you think this is bad, try discussing handicap parking spot privilege.  (You really could have titled this thread a bit better- you were asking for a fight, bud. )
 
To quote Ron White; "Next time you have a thought?.. let it go..."

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RE: Women are...stupid and bossy and men listen? - 7/15/2007 3:52:09 PM   
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Exactly. Most men want women to be stupid. I guess the best thing to do is either not respond or agree with them.


OMG,, for a few moments earlier, you made coherent statements and I thought wow, great!!  Then you go and make a comment like that that belies your supposed upper IQ, by making just as generalized comments as the OP.  None of the men I know or hang out with as friends want a stupid woman, and would laugh and dissappear if they had a silent, stupid lump of wood trying to be in a relationship, friendship or otherwise. 


To another poster earlier; maybe that is why you get the idea that 50% of men cheat?? Because they are attached to the stupid ones that dbg seems to think most want??


for someone with supposedly greater IQ than me, you should know this statistic, 50% of all men cheat and 33% of all women...    if you know the facts more accurately than me, please don't confuse me with the facts.  lol


If there would have been a tongue in cheek icon, I would have inserted it there, smiles.  It was an attempt at wit late last night in connection with the "intelligent men prefer stupid women" remark.

My real feelings on those statistics are that basically a lot of people are selfish and looking for instant gratification, the other person be damned.  I do not mean by far that is why all people cheat, but I do think that is a major factor.

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RE: Women are...stupid and bossy and men listen? - 7/15/2007 3:54:33 PM   
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I agree with justheather's comments, if denigrating a gender you hope to mate with works for you, keep it up.  For me, a woman who would want to have sex with a man who so devalues her intrinsic humanity is not somebody I would ever be interested in having sex with.

I never said I devalue someone based on their smarts, or that someone with a 124 IQ for example shouldn't date someone with a 120 IQ regardless of which gender is which.  I'm talking about what this means about society overall.



Mine is 168.  What's yours????

Apparently a high IQ doesn't lend itsself nessecarily to complete sentences and legal punctuation.



And sometimes a smartass can't spell correctly either.

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RE: Women are...stupid and bossy and men listen? - 7/15/2007 5:12:32 PM   
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Status: offline 		The same people that do those studies are the people that have changed their mind about eggs being good or bad 4 times. Fact is woman are just as smart as men. Each sex has different things they are "smarter" at. Men are more spacial and women more linguistically and verbal. Plus, there's no way I'd take orders from a dude unless he's my boss :p

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RE: Women are...stupid and bossy and men listen? - 7/15/2007 8:10:48 PM   
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Status: offline 		I must confess that, while it is somewhat amusing, it's moreso painful to observe uneducated people arguing about intellect. And while I can empathize with the fact that determining the more intellectually significant sex is core to the very basis of existence itself, I feel it might be time to give it a rest.

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RE: Women are...stupid and bossy and men listen? - 7/15/2007 9:27:59 PM   
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Africans ruined Zimbabwe because they are inferior in intelligence, you appear to be saying.

Europeans have never ruined a country with a corrupt government.

Europeans have never purged their countries of people of different ethnicity or taken their property because of that.

Neither have Asians, who are performing at the top of these all-telling tests, either.


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RE: Women are...stupid and bossy and men listen? - 7/16/2007 11:14:04 AM   
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There aren't creative differences, there are social differences and even those social differences are deeply rooted in geographical culture.


How do social differences eliminate creative differences then ?
Creative differences are likely to result in social differences. NO?
Whatever "social differences" means., in this debate anyway
Anything and everthing is my guess.

Nefertari: I just tried to read you profile. Black on Blue text makes it virtually invisible.
Is that an example of female intelligence or should I recognise that you didn't want any one to be able read it ?



Ahhhhhhhh so you want to fight huh? Nope ! you're old and I would woop your ass.  As for the profile...judging by the amount of mail I get, I'd say people have no problem reading it.  Could be those dark wanna be cute shades that's making it all unaccessible.  Take em off the next time. 

I would take the time to explain the creative/social thing but *yawn* you're just not interesting enough in a creative way of course. 

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RE: Women are...stupid and bossy and men listen? - 7/16/2007 4:33:38 PM   
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With regard to social restrictions limiting the achievement of Women, while this undoubtedly has existed, music and mathematics at the highest level provide an indicator that other factors are involved. One artistic one scientific or logically rigorous, both over the years overwhelmingly the domain of....highly intelligent....MEN. and dare I say it certain racial/cultural groups.


Let me just refute that with one historical example: All of Mendolssohn's written compositions were signed "F. Mendolssohn." Now would that be F for Felix or his sister Fanny? The truth is that the public knows very little about the individual creative processes that resulted in the milestones of our cultural development or the politics and biases that inform our recorded history. Even Darwin wasn't the first person to come up with the theory of evolution -- he just happens to have published before Wallace.

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RE: Women are...stupid and bossy and men listen? - 7/16/2007 6:55:36 PM   
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IQ shows vaguely 10 areas of intelligence.  There are approximately 200 areas of intelligence.  Having good common sense is one of them.  Its very possible to be extremely intelligent in IQ, but have no common sense...

Are you saying there is a standardized test for common sense?



what I'm saying is that IQ tests are limited.....I guess you could create a standardized test for common sense, but then, what would be the common sense of that?  ;0

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