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RE: Women are...stupid and bossy and men listen? - 7/14/2007 3:32:06 AM   
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Well, notwithstanding the direction dilemma, emotionality and all that, I find it kind of ironic that someone is reducing the functioning of the brain to a rationale that is so darn simplistic as to be amazing to me.

When looking at gender differences in IQ, you can't just presume something biologically lacking in one or the other of the genders. There is much more to it than that. You also can't reduce life success to the number represented by these tests.

1. Gender differences in play: When girls are steered toward dolls, tea sets and the like, while boys are steered toward cars, trucks, balls and those kinds of things, we are setting the stage for their learning. Girls develop imagination (not a bad thing). Boys play with physics. One is eventually measurable on an IQ test, the other is not.

2. Gender differences in education: Study after study have shown that on average, education, while taking part in whole class environments, is typically directed to the boys in the room - especially in the area of the sciences. This is why teachers are pulling popsicle sticks to call on individual students in the classroom rather than just looking for the raised hand all the time.

3. Gender differences in being given opportunities to take risks and be challenged. Girls are kept safe. Boys are encouraged to take risks. When someone takes risks, they develop the capacity to think quickly, and in an analytical manner. All things that ultimately, contribute to IQ measurements.

For more information on gender differences and their effects on girls, I'd suggest the book "Raising Ophelia." It's interesting and quite frankly, a bit dismaying.

In addition to this, there are obvious gender biases in psychological research, despite the move toward eliminating this. More often than not, females are measured against a male norm rather than on their own, and while on this test, it might appear that measuring one against the other was the intent, the problem is that we don't know how it was set up.

If females were the norm, an entirely different set of criteria may or may not have been used. When people cite that this gender is better than that gender, there should be some acknowledgment and proof that there was a concerted effort to eliminate gender bias. Without that, the conclusions of the study are suspect.

Additionally, conclusions from any body of research should be able to be replicated, and the findings that males and females score significantly differently on IQ tests is in the minority, with most psychological reserch supporting the idea that there are no significant statistical differences between male and female scores. So, again, the conclusions of this study are suspect.

For just one article on this subject, may I suggest  http://psychcentral.com/news/2006/12/29/male-gender-bias-in-psychology-research-continues/ 

It is peer-reviewed and if you're going to make assertions as to the societal implications of the information you read about, you need to, at the very least, be informed of more than just the idea that females are 4 IQ points behind males.

In addition to gender differences in both education and research, there are also environmental considerations that play into the scores derived from IQ. This can include everything from socioeconomic background to nutrition to the early introduction of games and activities that develop logic, such as chess and musical training to even personality differences and child ranking within families.

While It is important to have enough intelligence to make decisions and be independently functional, there is negligible proof that bigger IQ numbers translates to greater success in the market place. In fact, about the best thing you can say about an IQ test and it's findings with regard to future market success is that while you have to have enough, having more doesn't buy a whole lot.

Interestingly, one scientist, Stephen Jay Gould, in his book "The Mismeasure of Man," holds that rather than be an indicator of success, IQ tests have historically been used as a rationale for scientific racism. He says,

"…the abstraction of intelligence as a single entity, its location within the brain, its quantification as one number for each individual, and the use of these numbers to rank people in a single series of worthiness, invariably to find that oppressed and disadvantaged groups—races, classes, or sexes—are innately inferior and deserve their status. (pp. 24–25)"

This isn't to say there is no use for these tests or that they are somehow lacking in statistical stability. However, Gould and others do point out that while these tests are indeed stable, intelligence can't be based on IQ scores alone but must also take into account many other aspects of mental ability.

So, equating success differences between women and men to merely an IQ score is simplistic at best and doesn't address the wide range of abilities not measured by an IQ test.

And I haven't even begun to talk about anatomical differences in brain studies between males and females, the effects of video games on the development of the brain, multiple intelligences and the effects of real life experiences on IQ 

In short, there is a LOT that goes into the determination of an IQ score and even more that goes into determing the relationship between intelligence and success. And while an IQ score is an interesting piece of the statistical puzzle, it does not measure such things as perseverence, willingness to work, memory and many other things that are considered  indicators of success.

So, getting back to the original post, I think society is safe for now from the statistical implications of the differences between men and women's IQ scores and what it means with regard to their economic success. And to the OP specifically, since, as you state, you are average in the IQ department, with the willingness to work, the ability to persevere and memory enough to remember that just because you're male doesn't make you better, you'll be safe from all those females of the 4 point lesser IQs.

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RE: Women are...stupid and bossy and men listen? - 7/14/2007 3:32:47 AM   
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One true indicator of intelligence is what people do.

my guess is that the male doesnt want to upset his female partner too much because he knows he wont get any nookie for a while. lol



If this is what some men do to assert their intelligence, then they defintitely need to work on their IQ, or something/anything. Women need a fuck, too, so you're not gaining a jot by pandering to her whims in return for a fuck, and I don't come here as a visionary - tribesmen in the deepest, darkest, least penetrable rain-forests of South America understand this notion.

In my book, the best measure of intelligence is original thought. For example, anyone can have perfect grammar, providing they're prepared to listen at school and rote-learn. Being able to discuss a concept with an original point of view, however, is a different matter entirely.

Personally, I think men are more creative and innovative, and I think this is reflected in the disproportionate numbers of inventors. You could argue it's a result of social conditioning - I could see some merit in this point of view.

IQ tests? doesn't make any sense to me. It's not something I would use as a measure, or even begin to want to know IQ test scores. Original thought in practice, and the ability to see the wider picture means far more.

Women are bossy? Women like to push the boundaries, but when push comes to shove, they know how it really is.

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RE: Women are...stupid and bossy and men listen? - 7/14/2007 3:50:49 AM   
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Personally, I think men are more creative and innovative, and I think this is reflected in the disproportionate numbers of inventors.


Well, I could point out the disproportionate numbers of women historically not allowed in areas of higher education such as the sciences because they were considered too "fragile," the numbers of women who have had to publish their creative and innovative ideas under their husband's names because it was considered inapporpriate for women to be working outside of the house and on and on, but that has little to do with IQ.

I don't think getting into discussions of who's better, men or women are really that imperative to anything other than long discussion in which no one will ever prove one thing, one way or the other.

But that's just me. You know... a silly female.

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RE: Women are...stupid and bossy and men listen? - 7/14/2007 4:14:46 AM   
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Personally, I think men are more creative and innovative, and I think this is reflected in the disproportionate numbers of inventors.


Well, I could point out the disproportionate numbers of women historically not allowed in areas of higher education such as the sciences because they were considered too "fragile," the numbers of women who have had to publish their creative and innovative ideas under their husband's names because it was considered inapporpriate for women to be working outside of the house and on and on, but that has little to do with IQ.

I don't think getting into discussions of who's better, men or women are really that imperative to anything other than long discussion in which no one will ever prove one thing, one way or the other.

But that's just me. You know... a silly female.

juliet


You must have missed my point about social conditioning. Although not specifically typed, I include the second class status you mention e.g. disproportionate opportunities in education and the workplace.

I'd be surprised if you dispute that men have been at the forefront of innovation throughout history. I take your point on the context, however. I'm not saying men are better, but men have engineered a situation where the foundations/environment allows men to thrive (sometimes at the expense of women).

Juliet, you're a little defensive, here. 'No need to be with me as I'm all for equal access to opportunity.......plus, I'm an arrogant so and so, which means I'll take my chances against anyone. There's no glory in winning if the odds are stacked in your favour, and where's the challenge in that? Personally, I'd like to see a level playing field regardless of background.

As for being a silly female....only you will know.

You're right, nothing will be proved one way or the other, but it makes for an interesting conversation.

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RE: Women are...stupid and bossy and men listen? - 7/14/2007 4:40:24 AM   
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Personally, I think men are more creative and innovative, and I think this is reflected in the disproportionate numbers of inventors.


Well, I could point out the disproportionate numbers of women historically not allowed in areas of higher education such as the sciences because they were considered too "fragile," the numbers of women who have had to publish their creative and innovative ideas under their husband's names because it was considered inapporpriate for women to be working outside of the house and on and on, but that has little to do with IQ.

I don't think getting into discussions of who's better, men or women are really that imperative to anything other than long discussion in which no one will ever prove one thing, one way or the other.

But that's just me. You know... a silly female.

juliet


You must of missed my point about social conditioning. Although not specifically typed, I include the second class status you mention e.g. disproportionate opportunities in education and the workplace.

I'd be surprised if you dispute that men have been at the forefront of innovation throughout history. I take your point on the context, however. I'm not saying men are better, but men have engineered a situation where the foundations/environment allows men to thrive (sometimes at the expense of women).

Juliet, you're a little defensive, here. 'No need to be with me as I'm all for equal access to opportunity.......plus, I'm an arrogant so and so, which means I'll take my chances against anyone. There's no glory in winning if the odds are stacked in your favour, and where's the challenge in that? Personally, I'd like to see a level playing field regardless of background.

As for being a silly female....only you will know.

You're right, nothing will be proved one way or the other, but it makes for an interesting conversation.


ROFL.. I love it when you do that NorthernGent! Take an idea and then, instead of discussing the idea, which, to your credit, you did start out doing, go ahead and change the focus so that the person who didn't blindly agree with each and every thing you said is commented on (I wouldn't DARE to say "attacked" because then, I'd be "defensive.")

Personally, I could care less about someone's perceived arrogance (taken from what you've said, not my personal presumption of you). I was discussing ideas - the notion that there might have been more historical equity between men and women's chronicaled innovations if women's input to the scientific world had been acknowledged and valued rather than impeded and in many cases, forbidden.

As it is, when women's educational history with regard to anything beyond homemaking includes hiding and crawling around behind chairs in lecture halls at major universities to gain the education that her male counterparts were able to overtly take advantage of,  and when women's academic works had to be published under male pseudonyms or their husband's names because they were't allowed to be published, I don't think I can claim that men hold the market on any educational or creative endeavor.

I would agree with, and say that - as you pointed out - men created environments that ensured non-competition from their female counterparts, but that didn't mean that they alone held sole rights on creativity and innovation.

As far as me calling myself silly - I'd suggest a little more inference and a lot less literal thinking on your part. It was sarcasm, dealt out in the same general vein as those who used to dismiss out of hand, women's input and ideas.

I, by no means, consider myself silly - although some days I dearly would love to try that. Silly doesn't become me.

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RE: Women are...stupid and bossy and men listen? - 7/14/2007 5:22:31 AM   
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As far as me calling myself silly - I'd suggest a little more inference and a lot less literal thinking on your part. It was sarcasm,
juliet



I tip my hat to you, Juliet, 'had me fooled. I can see that when/where I get into a conversation with you, I'm going to have to be on my guard for this cloak and dagger routine. I mean, sarcasm and cynicism simply doesn't exist, here, and when you called yourself a silly female in the context of your post stating that men are not better than women etc, I would never have guessed in a million years that you didn't mean it. If you ever find yourself out of work, well.......

'Long story short - the idea, by and large, we agree. Barriers have been in place throughout history, and not just gender based.

One point, though, I mentioned inventors, and you responded with authors.

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RE: Women are...stupid and bossy and men listen? - 7/14/2007 5:28:49 AM   
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The male and female brains do not function in exactly the same way.
They are hard-wired differently, with women, for example, having greater left-right brain connection than men.

And, much like other parts of the male body, having a big one does not automatically mean you know how to use it.



Also consider this article from Phychology Today:

http://psychologytoday.com/articles/pto-2832.html
Gur's discovery that females have about 15 to 20 percent more gray matter than males suddenly made sense of another major sex difference: Men, overall, have larger brains than women (their heads and bodies are larger), but the sexes score equally well on tests of intelligence.
Gray matter, made up of the bodies of nerve cells and their connecting dendrites, is where the brain's heavy lifting is done. The female brain is more densely packed with neurons and dendrites, providing concentrated processing power -- and more thought-linking capability.
The larger male cranium is filled with more white matter and cerebrospinal fluid. "That fluid is probably helpful," says Gur, director of the Brain Behavior Laboratory at the University of Pennsylvania. "It cushions the brain, and men are more likely to get their heads banged about."

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RE: Women are...stupid and bossy and men listen? - 7/14/2007 5:34:35 AM   
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In my book, the best measure of intelligence is original thought. For example, anyone can have perfect grammar, providing they're prepared to listen at school and rote-learn. Being able to discuss a concept with an original point of view, however, is a different matter entirely.


Well to use a phrase I know you like the PC brigade say otherwise and whatsmore they have invented a term to cover the lack of such abilitiy....Dyslexia.

With regard to social restrictions limiting the achievement of Women, while this undoubtedly has existed, music and mathematics at the highest level provide an indicator that other factors are involved. One artistic one scientific or logically rigorous, both over the years overwhelmingly the domain of....highly intelligent....MEN. and dare I say it certain racial/cultural groups.

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RE: Women are...stupid and bossy and men listen? - 7/14/2007 5:39:54 AM   
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With regard to social restrictions limiting the achievement of Women, while this undoubtedly has existed, music and mathematics at the highest level provide an indicator that other factors are involved. One artistic one scientific or logically rigorous, both over the years overwhelmingly the domain of....highly intelligent....MEN. and dare I say it certain racial/cultural groups.


'Wanna put some meat on the bones of this one, Seeks? Further details on the other factors will be useful.

As for the racial and cultural groups, that's a whole new thread and probably better served in the politics section. Feel free to start a thread down there, and I'll have the chat with you.

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RE: Women are...stupid and bossy and men listen? - 7/14/2007 5:48:42 AM   
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Warning--- I am not an expert on laders by any means but I am think that you have exceded the operational distance already.  Might I sugest digging at a 30 degree angle to give you an easy slope to get out of that hole.

Got to be a smart ass sometimes.

There are some topics that are never meant to be dicussed.  Although I would like to know how many tax dollars wer wasted doing these studies?

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RE: Women are...stupid and bossy and men listen? - 7/14/2007 5:51:52 AM   
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Agreed. However, it must be noted that when you discuss "inventors" to the exclusion of other scientific endeavors, you exclude (a trend?) a wealth of knowledge accumulated by women, used by men to create the very things you are claiming justify men as being more creative, etc.

For an substantial and amazing, but incomplete list, check this site out: http://www.astr.ua.edu/4000WS/bioframe.html

It's amazing what women have done.

And now, if I may, I'd like to give a nod to Elizabeth Adams - that wise woman who applied for and received a patent in 1841 for the first corset.

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RE: Women are...stupid and bossy and men listen? - 7/14/2007 5:57:02 AM   
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Simple really, just make a list of the trancendental geniuses that have existed in the musical world say from the time one of the Bach's invented the scale system still used in Western music , to today. Won't find too many women tho' plenty of talented female musicians have existed who lived socially priviliged lives.. Two I can think of are Clara Schumann and Mendellsohn's (sp) lil sister.
Good, talented.....but not the best.
In maths the number of creative females is vanishingly small.
I do not know why this should be but I definitely dont waste my meagre supply of little grey cells trying to construct arguments that deny that it is so and that any social advance is likely to change things.

Now if you had said <politics> then I would have to agree that social restrictions have been the major factor limiting female achievement.

By the way with regard to men placating women to get sex it is more likely statistically speaking that a man in a bad mood can be cajoled into sexual activity by a woman than  the other way round. So my point holds there as well. lol

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RE: Women are...stupid and bossy and men listen? - 7/14/2007 6:16:18 AM   
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It's amazing what women have done.



'Not really. There are billions of you. Some good has to come out of it.

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RE: Women are...stupid and bossy and men listen? - 7/14/2007 6:21:02 AM   
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With regard to social restrictions limiting the achievement of Women, while this undoubtedly has existed, music and mathematics at the highest level provide an indicator that other factors are involved. One artistic one scientific or logically rigorous, both over the years overwhelmingly the domain of....highly intelligent....MEN. and dare I say it certain racial/cultural groups.


Actually, research doesn't exactly bear you out. Women have a notable, but often unacknowledged history in the area of science and mathematics.

Aganice: (634BC) computed the positions of the planets - in hieroglphs
Aglaonike (Ancient Greece) Developed a method of predicting lunar eclipses (Deemed a witch because anyone with this knowledge could control people because of their superstitions)
Maria Gaetana Agnesi: The person who came up with the algebraic coordinate system involving the x and y axis.
Maria Angela Ardinghelli: noted for her abilities in physics and mathematics
Hertha Marks Avrton: Early 20th century British physist received the Hughes medal for her work in understanding arcs and ripples
S. Josephine Baker - health researcher: Perfected the use of silver nitrate to prevent eye infections in newborns - a process still in practice today.
Madelaine Barnothey: First woman in Hungary to receive a PhD in physics
Laura Bassi: Along with her husband, created one of the best experimental physics laboratories in 18th century Europe.
Olive Ann Beech - Aircraft manufacturer: One of the co-founders of Beech Aircraaft Company. It was she who took Beech Aircraft into a multi-million dollar international aerospace corporation.

The list goes on and on and on.

And yes, I know you can counter with male inventors, scientists and mathematicians, but that's not the point. The point I'm making is that women have made contributions of significant proportions to the scientific, educational and manufacturing industries but have rarely been acknowledged for what they've done.

So, then to (getting back to the OP) make claims that 4 IQ points is going to make or break female contributions to society, is extremely simplistic, and comparing men to women's accomplishments diverts the topic of the OP and makes this into simply a he said/she said argument, for which there is no real point other than to put one gender down in order to build the other up - regardless which way you want to go with that.

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RE: Women are...stupid and bossy and men listen? - 7/14/2007 6:23:21 AM   
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'Don't have the knowledge to agree or disagree on the musicians/mathematicians point, Seeks.

I was really asking for an explanation of your "other factors" comment, rather then reiterating the point that disproportionate numbers of men constitute those professions.

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RE: Women are...stupid and bossy and men listen? - 7/14/2007 7:12:31 AM   
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My hypothesis, not that I've seen it tested anywhere, is that people both considerably above or below the average IQ of their society become more socially awkward due to not seeing things the same way as the rest of the herd.  Anyone seen anything on that topic before?



Now this statement I definitely agree with. Peers tend to laugh at those with below average intelligence. Having a high IQ isn't much easier. Imagine being the only one in a class who understands something and being told to go read a book while the teacher explains the assignment a second time to everyone else. Many men resent intelligent women. I'm always accused of being too complex to deal with. I conducted an experiment a few years ago on a guy I liked. When I showed intelligence, he couldn't stand me. When I started acting stupid he fell for me. I was given two IQ tests. My lowest score was a 169, the highest a 173. I've never really fit in with anyone. I think having a high IQ is worse in many ways than having a low one.


Defiant,
Did you maybe mean having a high IQ is worse than having an average IQ?
I know you have heard this before but be patient.  Please don't ever compromise who you are in order to get a guy.    Would you really have wanted to stay with the guy who liked you better when you "dumbed yourself down"? There are people out there who truly would treasure and appreciate a woman like you  and these boards are actually a very good place to start..

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RE: Women are...stupid and bossy and men listen? - 7/14/2007 7:43:37 AM   
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Julietsierra:
If I were to say ...
I am more intelligent than all women simply because I am a man you would laugh and say the man's a fool.
or
Women are stronger than men, which is true for some women and some men, you would know that the trends, the tendencies dont support that POV statistically.

When I point out  high level  creative or intelligent behaviour patterns  are biased towards men you expend a lot of effort trying to prove me wrong even tho' the same trends mentioned above support the truth of the statement.

Why is that ?

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RE: Women are...stupid and bossy and men listen? - 7/14/2007 8:15:24 AM   
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When I point out  high level  creative or intelligent behaviour patterns  are biased towards men you expend a lot of effort trying to prove me wrong even tho' the same trends mentioned above support the truth of the statement.

Why is that ?


It could be because men have spent the last centuries denying women's accomplishments, not allowing them to be educated, or even taking the work of women and claiming it as their own. There are not many famous historical women writers, painters, sculptors or anything because men wouldn't allow them to try and to succeed. There is a famous example where a painting, believed to have been done by a man, was lauded as a wonderful masterpiece, with powerful masculine strokes. When it was proven to have been done by one of his female students, it was suddenly delicate, feminine, and proof of women's inability to paint.



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RE: Women are...stupid and bossy and men listen? - 7/14/2007 8:17:07 AM   
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One true indicator of intelligence is what people do.

my guess is that the male doesnt want to upset his female partner too much because he knows he wont get any nookie for a while. lol



If this is what some men do to assert their intelligence, then they defintitely need to work on their IQ, or something/anything. Women need a fuck, too, so you're not gaining a jot by pandering to her whims in return for a fuck, and I don't come here as a visionary - tribesmen in the deepest, darkest, least penetrable rain-forests of South America understand this notion.

In my book, the best measure of intelligence is original thought. For example, anyone can have perfect grammar, providing they're prepared to listen at school and rote-learn. Being able to discuss a concept with an original point of view, however, is a different matter entirely.

Personally, I think men are more creative and innovative, and I think this is reflected in the disproportionate numbers of inventors. You could argue it's a result of social conditioning - I could see some merit in this point of view.

IQ tests? doesn't make any sense to me. It's not something I would use as a measure, or even begin to want to know IQ test scores. Original thought in practice, and the ability to see the wider picture means far more.

Women are bossy? Women like to push the boundaries, but when push comes to shove, they know how it really is.

If your book is the source of how intelligence should be measured on original thought, it would need to take into account that throughout history, males spent the majority of their crucial development years learning from female teachers and mothers.

How is it that women could not be the more (or equally) creative gender, when they were the teachers, the child rearers, those who ran the household, while their male counterparts plowed the fields and chased after wild game.

Of course in early times men were going to have more credit for inventions.  The world was dominated by male investors, male buyers, and males who would have the only authority to accept or reject any inventions.  Would women have been taken seriously as an inventor?  It's ironic though, how a man would rely on a woman to teach and raise his young, but wouldn't think her worthy of invention.

Social conditioning and all it encompasses is a huge point.  Most women would have had to ask their husbands for money and time to even begin pursuing an "invention" idea, that is if she had the motivation to invent knowing that it would be automatically denied by reason of womanhood.  Women however had to invent and create constantly in dealing alone with household matters and children throughout the day. Perhaps such inventions weren't presented with a patent and a news article, but who measures what is "invention"?   These points make your claims null and void in my book.

In my book, intelligence is consistent with common sense, and many inventions in their early stages required being possibly blown up with unstable chemicals and energy sources, or sailing over a cliff without a net... and these things were done predominantly by the male gender. 

Furthermore, women have been proven to have more gray matter present in their brains, while males have more white matter.  This is not consistent with your creativity claim at all.  It is consistent in that males may be sharper in some areas, while women will excel in other areas. 


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RE: Women are...stupid and bossy and men listen? - 7/14/2007 8:47:41 AM   
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My hypothesis, not that I've seen it tested anywhere, is that people both considerably above or below the average IQ of their society become more socially awkward due to not seeing things the same way as the rest of the herd.  Anyone seen anything on that topic before?



Now this statement I definitely agree with. Peers tend to laugh at those with below average intelligence. Having a high IQ isn't much easier. Imagine being the only one in a class who understands something and being told to go read a book while the teacher explains the assignment a second time to everyone else. Many men resent intelligent women. I'm always accused of being too complex to deal with. I conducted an experiment a few years ago on a guy I liked. When I showed intelligence, he couldn't stand me. When I started acting stupid he fell for me. I was given two IQ tests. My lowest score was a 169, the highest a 173. I've never really fit in with anyone. I think having a high IQ is worse in many ways than having a low one.


Defiant,
Did you maybe mean having a high IQ is worse than having an average IQ?
I know you have heard this before but be patient.  Please don't ever compromise who you are in order to get a guy.    Would you really have wanted to stay with the guy who liked you better when you "dumbed yourself down"? There are people out there who truly would treasure and appreciate a woman like you  and these boards are actually a very good place to start..


Actually, I meant it just the way I said it. I've met plenty of men as well as women with low levels of intelligence. They have much less difficulty finding someone. Men with lower than average IQ's tend to fall for women with high IQ's while intelligent men aren't attracted to intelligent women. As for men who truly appreciate me, I've had several, but they had below average intelligence. I tried.......I really did (since I knew they genuinely cared for me and didn't want to hurt them), but having to constantly correct someones errors in basic math or fill out their job applications so every other word wasn't spelled wrong........well........there's no way something like that could work long term. 

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