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ORIGINAL: Aswad
Just thought I'd add that the picture actually seems to feature someone who has had a labia removal, possibly also a clitoridectomy. One wonders why that hasn't engendered comments, though I'm not complaining.

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ORIGINAL: zindyslave
I have no problems with someone using hooks in suspension play it is the simple fact that a woman most likely will get a serious infection from having an open path from the vagina and rectum. I know that most kinks in the lifestyle are medically unacceptable but the fact of the matter is, most would not do something similar to the picture. Esspecially if they had known people that had went through an infection that is caused by feces in the vagina. I am not disparaging anyone for their kink I was just stating that it isn' t healthy, some people might not have known that...that is why I mentioned it. Everyone is entitled to there kinks but as these boards sometimes help people learn then I think it is best to point out the problems that can arise from said activity so they can be aware of the risks involved.

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ORIGINAL: Lewcifer

It hasn't engendered comments because, typically, people are hypocrites. They'll judge something as unhealthy while engaging in other unhealthy practices themselves.

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On another note, I commend Y/you for astutely noticing the penetration took place from the vagina, and not into it.

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The direction of the hook makes some but not all the difference.

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The open whle and the next movement of te bowel concerns me as much if not more than the direction of the hooking which if you're going to do it they chose the lesser of the infection potentials, but it still has not gotten anywhere near the level of safety I need for my own ethics to be met.

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The draw back trough issue could be avoided by simply pushhing the hook all the way through since the hook is S shaped.

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However additional items of concern for me are the fact that the hook appears to be galvanized. Zinc is not an approved of material for hooks used in piercing which are generally stainless steel.

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I'll still hold to my thought that nearly professional medical level awareness of infection would be required for ths specific hooking in order to meet RACK standards. Awareness means informed awareness not casual awareness.

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The point remains... your characterization of this particular kink as unhealthy, while attempting to characterize bruising (and now, apparently suspension play) as healthy is disingenuous and hypocritical. You clearly stated bruising was not unhealthy, because everyone gets bruised unintentionally. People also get hit by cars unintentionally... that, per-se, does not make it a healthy activity. The fact remains (please feel free to factually refute it) - intentional bruising for the sake of bruising (such as during flogging, caning, spanking, etc) is medically unhealthy.

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ORIGINAL: nephandi
There is a scale of unhealthy here. i priced my own ears, sure it would have been more save if i had done it at a piercing studio, but what i riked was a crooked hole and a scar and perhaps a little infection, i am now planing an eyebrow piercing, i will not do this at home as i then risk hitting a nerve and even get an infection in my eye.

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ORIGINAL: zindyslave
...something can be unhealthy but still in a way safe, by that I mean it will not require surgery to fix the problem.

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ORIGINAL: nephandi

Greetings

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The point remains... your characterization of this particular kink as unhealthy, while attempting to characterize bruising (and now, apparently suspension play) as healthy is disingenuous and hypocritical. You clearly stated bruising was not unhealthy, because everyone gets bruised unintentionally. People also get hit by cars unintentionally... that, per-se, does not make it a healthy activity. The fact remains (please feel free to factually refute it) - intentional bruising for the sake of bruising (such as during flogging, caning, spanking, etc) is medically unhealthy.

i do not condem an kink however i will say that the things you say is similar to saying that eating rat posion is the same as eating a chocolathe is the same thing as eating the chocholateto is unhealthy. Or that going outside in winter whitout a scarf is the same as being dropped into ice water as going outside in the cold whiout a scarf to is unhealthy.

There is a scale of unhealthy here. i priced my own ears, sure it would have been more save if i had done it at a piercing studio, but what i riked was a crooked hole and a scar and perhaps a little infection, i am now planing an eyebrow piercing, i will not do this at home as i then risk hitting a nerve and even get an infection in my eye.

When Master whip me on the back i generally in the worst case risk getting a smal cut and that might get lightly infected, but if i make a hole between my vagina and anal i risk having to go to the hospital and have an operation. i am not saying it is wrong for those that want to take that risk, but neither is it hypocrasy to say one will not do this as it is dangerous. For while bruises might not be healthy, this is the same as the chocholate vs rat posion exsample. Neiter is healthy, but one will make you hyper and feeling ill the other might kill you. One need to conider it allot more, and have allot more knowledge to eat rat posion then eating a chocholate.

i wish you well

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ORIGINAL: Lewcifer

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ORIGINAL: nephandi
There is a scale of unhealthy here. i priced my own ears, sure it would have been more save if i had done it at a piercing studio, but what i riked was a crooked hole and a scar and perhaps a little infection, i am now planing an eyebrow piercing, i will not do this at home as i then risk hitting a nerve and even get an infection in my eye.

You miss the point, and instead resort to reductio ad absurdum to avoid addressing my clear and concise statement.

I will not dignify your response with further commentary.

PS - How much did your ears appraise for when you had them priced?
PPS - I once had a girlfriend with a crooked hole, technically.  She had a tipped uterus.

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ORIGINAL: Lewcifer

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ORIGINAL: zindyslave
I have no problems with someone using hooks in suspension play it is the simple fact that a woman most likely will get a serious infection from having an open path from the vagina and rectum. I know that most kinks in the lifestyle are medically unacceptable but the fact of the matter is, most would not do something similar to the picture. Esspecially if they had known people that had went through an infection that is caused by feces in the vagina. I am not disparaging anyone for their kink I was just stating that it isn' t healthy, some people might not have known that...that is why I mentioned it. Everyone is entitled to there kinks but as these boards sometimes help people learn then I think it is best to point out the problems that can arise from said activity so they can be aware of the risks involved.

The point remains... your characterization of this particular kink as unhealthy, while attempting to characterize bruising (and now, apparently suspension play) as healthy is disingenuous and hypocritical.  You clearly stated bruising was not unhealthy, because everyone gets bruised unintentionally.  People also get hit by cars unintentionally... that, per-se, does not make it a healthy activity.  The fact remains (please feel free to factually refute it) - intentional bruising for the sake of bruising (such as during flogging, caning, spanking, etc) is medically unhealthy.

That being said, you object to fissure hooking because if done wrong it can lead to possible vaginal infection.  Yet you condone needle play and body hook suspension.  Using your same arguments - needle play, if done wrong, can lead to a build-up of scar tissue or worse if blood vessels are pierced.  Likewise, body hook suspension carries the same risks, along with the possibility of tearing and associated infection.

You further attempt to justify your statement by saying that some people on this board might not realize fissure hooking isn't healthy.  Yet you make no attempt to notify them of the unhealthy effects of flogging, spanking, or other activites you seem to partake in... I've even searched your previous posts.  Your recent comments lead me to believe you are convinced these activities are healthy.  Nothing can be further from the truth, and self-denial is no substitute for risk awareness.

I sincerely believe you have a hypocritical double-standard, which you fail to see even when rolled out in front of you.

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ORIGINAL: domiguy
First off I have never seen what you posted as described as an anal hook.....It looks more like someone who is preparing to go fishing for Great White Sharks.

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ORIGINAL: nyrisa
I'd like to hear your reply to her post, actually. And without resorting to cheap shots involving typos, which don't affect the validity of the thoughts expressed. To take refuge in saying her post is not worthy of reply seems a little small.