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RE: Tributes done right. - 4/7/2008 4:26:15 AM

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Yes, but you missed the fact that I was just trying to be an idget.

I was going to make some remark about how you forgot to capitalize "femdom," but I thought I could only pack so much smartass into one post.

I will close by paying tribute to your OP on this thread, by saying such clarity of thought leaves us minions little else to contribute but homage to your thoughts. Who knows, maybe you're ready to graduate on to becoming a DOM.

MaleDoms don't get a lot of tribute, BTW.... (payment) so if you convert, keep your dayjob.

BTW, MD above seems like your kinda gal.....

Seems to me I end up doing a lot more of the buying when I'm officially in charge. 'Nilla girls/relationships tended to be a lot more financially profitable. Then again, I hear a lot of noise about girls wanting more 'pro' Doms, and being willing to pay for the priveledge... Anybody want to try that and report back to me?

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RE: Tributes done right. - 4/7/2008 7:53:41 AM

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Every year, right after Thanksgiving, my kitchen turns into a bakery. I make Banana Nut bread and a special Sweet Potato spice cake (It's a lot like a carrot cake), cookies by the gross and now, chocolate truffles that have been dubbed 'chocolate orgasms'. The ingredients run me about $250 to $300 even when I buy the stuff at Sam's and my true investment is spending so much time in the kitchen... but I really enjoy the happy faces when I deliver platters of goodies to my peeps.

Oooh, that all sounds really yummy, lol. I mostly make cookies (spicy ones, and peanut butter ones) but I recently started making cakes and sweet loaves, too. It's so much fun to do, and always so great when you see people enjoying it afterwards. :D And wow... $250-300 is a lot of money. I guess I'm lucky that I generally don't have too many people to bake for, lol. But that's so awesome that you give that much of your time. I know getting a box of home-made cookies, cakes or chocolate for Christmas would really make my day, so I like do it for others. :D

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RE: Tributes done right. - 4/7/2008 9:00:44 AM

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Every year, right after Thanksgiving, my kitchen turns into a bakery. I make Banana Nut bread and a special Sweet Potato spice cake (It's a lot like a carrot cake), cookies by the gross and now, chocolate truffles that have been dubbed 'chocolate orgasms'.

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RE: Tributes done right. - 10/15/2008 12:39:43 PM

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What about the ironic fact that when one pays tribute to another, no money or gifts passes hands. (At a funeral, for instance.)

I suspect that it is the original meaning of tribute--riches paid to a conqueror as a sign of submission (and basically as a bribe so that the suzerain does not destroy the tributary)--that dommes who demand such have in mind, rather than the more recent symbolic usage of the term.

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RE: Tributes done right. - 10/15/2008 12:51:45 PM

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ORIGINAL: TwoNYCDommes
I suspect that it is the original meaning of tribute--riches paid to a conqueror as a sign of submission (and basically as a bribe so that the suzerain does not destroy the tributary)--that dommes who demand such have in mind, rather than the more recent symbolic usage of the term.

I think for some dommes the tribute is a gesture of regard (similar in spirit to a tribute paid through words) and for some it is as you describe it (a gesture of submission).

Also, I expect that in many cases the tribute is for the convenience and whatever gratification receiving money or material items brings outside an expression of regard and submission; regard and submission can be sought and expressed through other means and I expect that the criteria for accepting a tribute of money is a lot looser than that for these other forms of regard or submission.

For some, the interest in tribute may come from a little of each.

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RE: Tributes done right. - 10/15/2008 2:06:03 PM

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To quote (loosely) a scene from "300"

"Earth and Water... Just a small token of submission...."

I rather prefer the ancient meaning of tribute. Especially since I have been conquered by my mistress!

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RE: Tributes done right. - 10/15/2008 5:27:55 PM

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A single red rose, cut from a bush, to one woman, only once, ever. The thorns on it pricked me and drew blood, just as they probably will the next time I do it. I don't mind. Roses and women always do that to me.

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RE: Tributes done right. - 10/15/2008 5:28:58 PM

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Allow me to put to rest a common misperception of the actual origin of "Tribute". While there are two basic functions of the word, one is an act engaged in as an homage to a person of significance (I composed this sonnet in tribute to...), the other, and original, meaning is that of involuntary payment. A tribute was not a voluntary payment or gift - it was a required transfer of wealth, whether in goods or gold, from a subject to a soveriegn, or person in a position of power over the subject. In otherwords, "tribute" is not a euphemism for payment, that's actually what the word means. As a pro, I use the word tribute in its original meaning. So I suggest that if lifestyle dommes want to denote "gift" they choose another word that actually means "voluntary gift". (And my snarkiness is by no means directed at lifestyle mistresses, merely my churlishness over the debasement of language - words have meanings! Let's try to use them.)

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ORIGINAL: pollux

The problem with "tribute" is, it's often a euphemism for "payment", but it seems that everyone's not quite on the same page with that. For some Dommes, "tribute" means "gift", and for some subs, "tribute" means "payment". Hence all the acrimony.

I would submit (ha! I made a funny) that femdom culture would be better if we just retired the word, and used "gift" when we meant gift, and "payment" when we meant payment. That won't happen though, because it's in a lot of people's interest to keep the ambiguity.

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RE: Tributes done right. - 10/15/2008 5:38:17 PM

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HagiaSophia,

Fine - good point - but why should we give a rat's anus about original meanings? The word "fuck" used to mean "to put a seed in a hole". It's still used that way by very few, extremely old farmers in the NE of England even now. However, that meaning is redundant for the overwhelming majority of people in the world who speak English.

Likewise, nowadays, "tribute", as used by proDommes, just means 'payment for services rendered', doesn't it? I mean, why beat about the bush? If you've done a business service, you deserve a payment - but why mince words about it? A plumber fixes your pipes, you pay for his work. A proDomme 'pro-Dommes' a man, she deserves the same. What's the difference?

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RE: Tributes done right. - 10/15/2008 6:08:56 PM

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Oh blimey. I've read the whole thread carefully now. I see now how worthless that single red rose was. I didn't even pay the farmer in whose field the rose bush grew!

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RE: Tributes done right. - 10/15/2008 6:14:15 PM

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As a female dominant I am often asked and expected to do much for my male queries which centers around their fantasies, their pleasure, and their gratification. Very often, no inquiry is even made as to what my pleasure might be. I can beat a boy until my shoulder is sore, and he looks at me like I have two heads when I request a massage - this boy - this is the one who should expect and be willing to cover my expenses, pay me, hire me, tribute me, throw money at me - call it what you will. This is the reality of my landscape and has been since I ever started playing. When I found the rare exceptions, the ones who wished to serve at my whim, for my pleasure, I hung onto them, which is why I have had Frenchy for nine years. I am not what many would call a pro, but fuck, if you're going to treat me like you hired me to perform a task, you should expect to pay me.

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RE: Tributes done right. - 10/15/2008 6:45:12 PM

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When I found the rare exceptions, the ones who wished to serve at my whim, for my pleasure, I hung onto them, which is why I have had Frenchy for nine years. I am not what many would call a pro, but fuck, if you're going to treat me like you hired me to perform a task, you should expect to pay me.

I know, Racquelle, I get that. I'm in the "Frenchy" mould - I know what drives him. He's a real sub and if you were to ask him, he'd probably say he couldn't be anything else. To me there are pro-Dommes and their clients, who suit each other, and that's fine - and real Dommes (sod it, let's use the right terms) and their partners who are (or should be) real subs. It grates my spine when I see some artful, quasi-intellectual attempts at blurring the distinction.

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RE: Tributes done right. - 10/15/2008 6:58:31 PM

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ORIGINAL: HagiaSophia
So I suggest that if lifestyle dommes want to denote "gift" they choose another word that actually means "voluntary gift".

That would be redundant. A gift, by definition, would be voluntary. Therefore, there's no need to find a word meaning "voluntary gift," as we already have one. I share your churlishness at the debasement of the English language.

From merriam-webster.com

Main Entry:

1gift
Pronunciation:
\ˈgift\
Function:
noun
Etymology:
Middle English, from Old Norse, something given, talent; akin to Old English giefan to give
Date:
12th century 1 : a notable capacity, talent, or endowment 2 : something voluntarily transferred by one person to another without compensation

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RE: Tributes done right. - 10/15/2008 6:59:00 PM

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I am often asked by the sweetest male subs, if they can buy me shoes or boots. Of course these guys have a huge foot/shoe/boot fetish, lol But they are sincere when they offer.

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RE: Tributes done right. - 10/15/2008 7:36:56 PM

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Interesting to see this thread re-surface again. My opinion on the subject hasn't really changed. I prefer the definition of "tribute" that connotes "homage or respect offered to a significant person". Poets and musicians can make beautiful tributes to the women in their lives that don't cost them a dime. Sometimes "tribute" is as simple as using a photograph of someone special as the wallpaper for your computer screen, or writing a blog or a livejournal about how that person makes you feel.

Gifts are very nice if they reflect genuine interest in the person to whom they're offered. I've never been the sort of woman who was offered leather clothing or expensive shoes/corsetry in exchange for pictures of me wearing them, myself, but I suppose if that arrangement is a positive one for the people on both sides, I have nothing bad to say about it. Just perhaps not the sort of tribute I'd be looking for.

I have no interest in tributes as involuntary payments.

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RE: Tributes done right. - 10/15/2008 7:48:30 PM

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People should give me stuff. I think one guy obliquely offered me flannel pajamas the other day... I think implicit in that was a photo of me IN them, though.

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