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RE: A lighter view of Gorean slavery - 5/31/2005 8:07:28 AM

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ORIGINAL: roughleather

There's "gorean" as total long-term submission, which is one thing, and there's light play in the Gorean style. The latter can be fun for any submissive.

Take her out in an skimpy outfit. One that's skimpier than she's comfortable with. Insist that she stand up straight and carry herself proudly. A slave is not allowed shame. If a man looks at her, she must meet his eyes, not look down. If a woman looks daggers at her, she must look back and perhaps smile a bit.

A slave is not permitted to adjust her clothing for modesty, If too much shows, so be it. Of course, panties are never worn, unless they are all that is worn.

By the end of the evening, she'll be ready to be taken and used. You'll find out what slave heat is.

While not particularly Gorean this can be a fun thing to do. However wether or not it produces "heat" will depend more on the girl than the action as there really is no one cookie cutter way to approach results in an individual.

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RE: a gorean slave - 6/1/2005 2:52:04 PM

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ORIGINAL: symon

this one has followed this thread with interest, so far. he is also a slave, though of the male persuasion, and as such is currently online....

where do male Gorean slaves go in this place????

greetings symon...

For many Goreans, male slaves have no place. The feeling is that they wish nothing to do with any male who would voluntarily give up their manhood. In reality, for offline Goreans that I know, I know of no one with a male slave, even the Gorean Free Women I know. Honestly, you will find more of what you wish and be better treated in regular BDSM than in places Gorean.

be well symon...

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RE: a gorean slave - 6/1/2005 3:14:05 PM

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But what I actually enjoy the most about Gor is it expresses a *life* rather than merely *play* philosophy.

In may ways, I wish the scene in general could be more so

I have no problem with people of Gor living or believing as they choose. But the implied message that they are "more real" in their lifestyle is what has always irked me.

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RE: a gorean slave - 6/1/2005 6:00:22 PM

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Thank You, Master Malkinius...

much appreciated.

one wishes You well...

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RE: a gorean slave - 6/2/2005 2:42:08 AM

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ORIGINAL: Estring

I have no problem with people of Gor living or believing as they choose. But the implied message that they are "more real" in their lifestyle is what has always irked me.

Greetings Estring....

For this reply, I am going to ignore all of the people who just play at Gor or BDSM online and consider just those people who try to live according to their "lifestyle". It really depends on what you mean by "more real"? If you mean that someone of one group Gorean/BDSM lives according to whatever you consider their "lifestyle" more hours of the day/week/month/year, then comparing the populations as a whole of both groups, I would say that Goreans do that much more than people who define their "lifestyle" as BDSM. A high percentage of people who are into BDSM only do it part time and make no pretense of doing anything else. A much higher percentage of Goreans would say that what they are is what they are all the time. They do not turn it off when they leave the bedroom or the dungeon. If you wish to compare just, say the TPE side of BDSM, I would say the percentages of people who say they do it all the time are much more similar.

Many Goreans say that what they are is Gorean, not just what they do. For most people on the BDSM side, it is what they do, not how they define themselves and certainly not how most interact with the rest of the world. I think it can be argued that what you are is more "real" than what you do for amusement or sex. Remember, a person can be Gorean and never own a slave, never tie someone up, never flog or whip someone, never wear special clothing and horror of horrors, never have sex at all.

It is a Gorean saying (not from the books) that Gorean is what you are, BDSM is what you do. Which is more real?

Be well...

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RE: a gorean slave - 6/2/2005 3:21:12 AM

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If the saying is not from the books, then why is it Gorean? I am not trying to be a wise-ass here; just raising the question: wherein lies Gorean culture? I am what I am all the time, I don't turn it off and on for sceneing or play. I find Gorean ways very appealing, and even consider myself a Gorean master--albeit one who is admittedly still ignorant of much, and learning more every day--but don't think I will ever want to call myself simply "Gorean".

At some point, I have to step back and remind myself that the Gorean ideas come from books. Good books. Not great, but good. Lots of good ideas. Also some really ludicrous stuff. But then....the culture that I AM actually a part of has lots of ludicrous aspects, so hmmm....why not be Gorean?

I am trying to resolve these perceptions. That is why I express these thoughts here.

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RE: a gorean slave - 6/2/2005 5:13:25 AM

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Mr DesertRat,

if I said to you "make my day" and if you were from the US , you would immediately think of The Terminator movies and the Governer of California. It is part of the US culture, though obviously not a quote from the constitution. If you were from Finland you might never have heard that expression. It is a famous American expression not a famous Finnish expression.

so among people who have lived their offline life based on Gorean philoshopy (in the Gorean culture), that is a commonly known expression of a commonly held belief.

wherein lies American culture, in baseball, apple pie and flag waving at parades? Does American culture lie in flag burning, skateboarding and chocolate bars?

Does gorean culture lie within online chat rooms and role players who fly tarns over cyber campfires? Or does gorean culture lie within people who live day in and out according to a set of beliefs and philosophies, who frequently post on forums and are more loosely tied to the larger online community?

If you do not believe in all the basic philoshophies of something but only some of them , I am not sure what that would make you. I am sorry that is not more helpful but maybe if you exmaned what you do not believe in and why , things might become clearer.

hoping you have a wonderful day
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RE: a gorean slave - 6/2/2005 5:32:19 AM

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Yes, kiss, that is what I am doing. I tried to convey that in my post.

As for "not believing in all the basic philosophies"...how is that defined and decided? Who defines me? You? Malkinius? If so, what happens if I go around all comfy and secure, judged 'fully Gorean' by you guys, then wander into another neighborhood where the people find my 'Goreanism' lacking? And who really cares? I am not looking for certification. Just a mix that I am comfortable with; one that works for me and my slave...whomever she should be.

At the end of the day, I will have to do the defining myself, just as I do in so many other parts of life. So I share my thoughts as I work my way through the process.

Bob (notcat)....................DesertRat

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RE: a gorean slave - 6/2/2005 7:44:10 AM

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ORIGINAL: kisshou

if I said to you "make my day" and if you were from the US , you would immediately think of The Terminator movies and the Governer of California.

Gee, I'm from the US and if someone said to me "make my day" I'd think of Dirty Harry and the ex-mayor of Carmel-By-The-Sea. At least you got the state right! <wink>

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RE: a gorean slave - 6/2/2005 8:15:40 AM

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if I said to you "make my day" and if you were from the US , you would immediately think of The Terminator movies and the Governer of California.

Gee, I'm from the US and if someone said to me "make my day" I'd think of Dirty Harry and the ex-mayor of Carmel-By-The-Sea. At least you got the state right! <wink>

Good one!

Actually my point is...who defines a culture? My answer would be that no one does. Cultures are describable but not defineable, and the descriptions are subjective, anyway. Cultures just are. Am I American? Some would say I am not. I hate our President, don't support our troops, and when it comes to things like "America vs The World", I root for The World every time. Yet I consider myself an American. Am I Gorean? Some would say 'yes', some would say 'no', I say 'I dunno'...or maybe 'yes, but.....'.

Bob (notcat)..............................DesertRat

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RE: a gorean slave - 6/2/2005 12:53:48 PM

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ORIGINAL: DesertRat

Good one!

Thank you <VBG>

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Actually my point is...who defines a culture? My answer would be that no one does. Cultures are describable but not defineable, and the descriptions are subjective, anyway. Cultures just are. Am I American? Some would say I am not. I hate our President, don't support our troops, and when it comes to things like "America vs The World", I root for The World every time. Yet I consider myself an American. Am I Gorean? Some would say 'yes', some would say 'no', I say 'I dunno'...or maybe 'yes, but.....'.

Well, I am a Jewish-American with Russian and German grandparents, rest their souls. I am also a New Yorker. I'm sure people would accuse me of not being American because I too hate our "President". I don't support the war in Iraq but do support the troops, especially the reservists and National Guard who most likely had no idea of what they were actually getting into. I don't necessarily root for the world vs us, although I wish there would be more attention paid to our problems here on our own soil rather than sticking our noses into the business of other countries. Before I am flamed here, I support the action in Afganistan after 9/11 (I was still living in NY when that happened); I only wish the job there had been finished before the decision was made to go into Iraq (yeah, yeah, I know, that decision had probably already been made BEFORE 9/11!).

As far as "Gorean" goes, I am not, I find most of it really silly, but I will always be polite and respectful to ALL until they act like assholes to me.

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RE: a gorean slave - 6/2/2005 1:11:12 PM

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Yes, I too will be polite and respectful. No reason to be otherwise. If I WERE given a reason to be rude, I hope I'd have the wisdom to just turn and walk away.

Bob (DesertRat)

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RE: a gorean slave - 6/2/2005 7:15:29 PM

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f I said to you "make my day" and if you were from the US , you would immediately think of The Terminator movies and the Governer of California

Not being a smartass either... just a a fan

That would be "Dirty Harry" movies & he was a Mayor in Cali, not a Governer. <wink>

I have enjoyed the thread as well. I am good friends with a Gorean couple & actually entered his house under what was called "Protection" & learned some very great technics with all sorts of weapons (swords & knives) & refined my flogger style.

I was very comfortable discussing everything from the various dynamics of D/s, BDSm & Gorean with him. We also had some very lengthy discussions on subjects of a different nature... history of old school rock (couple of headbangers... LOL)

The Goreans I have met outside of the cyber taverns & online lairs all seem to have a few things in common. They all seem to be highly educated, have an incredible sense of loyalty & honor... & not one of them have ever disrespected me or attempted to club me on the head & wrap me in a silk scarf just because I am a woman. (just poking fun at the 'online attempts' where this was typed to me)

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RE: a gorean slave - 6/2/2005 7:49:55 PM

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Oops!! *giggles* thanks for all who pointed out my mistake

I'll be back ;)

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RE: a gorean slave - 6/3/2005 2:59:48 AM

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Tal and greetings....

Yes, as was said, it is a saying common among people who live as Goreans. That is why I said it was not from the books, but from those of us who try to live as Goreans as we have defined it.

As to the question of who defines the Gorean culture here on Earth? Who creates it? The answer is that it has grown with influence by several groups. They fall into a few groups, general or specific. The first and over all most influential group was the men of silk&Steel. Bear-, Zeb, Marcus of Ar and a few others were the ones who created or influenced much of what is seen as Gorean today and were the primary people to stress the philosophical aspects of Gor. s&S is also pretty much the first and certainly the longest continious group of men who call themselves Gorean. The second group was those people online who either wanted to do their own thing and call it Gorean or who did not measure up to what s&S called Gorean and so tried to bring it down to their level. Most of those people are the online players we so dearly love to hate. <grins> The third group are those who have tried to define what it means to be Gorean and to live as Gorean based on what has been said before them and what they believe as well. People have literally spent years online doing this. The last group is the people who have been forming offline Gorean groups around the US and elsewhere. They decide how they act within their group and this does effect people outside of their groups.

All four of these groups have contributed to what we now consider the Earth Gorean culture. Each group has modified what they first did or believed to some extent over the years and from what I have seen meeting Goreans and people interested in Gor around the country, it has developed into some basic cultural forms that many of those who try to live their lives as Gorean generally accept. I am one of those people who have spent their time building an offline community of Goreans. There are many others. So who decides? Goreans do. For us, that is sufficient.

Be well....

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RE: A lighter view of Gorean slavery - 3/23/2010 5:20:07 PM

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im not much into the Gorean lifestyle but i have some questions, i dont want to sound rude or disrespect anyone so plz dnt take these the wrong way. i just want to know how ppl deal with bein "owned" so to say? n y degrade urself? mind u these r personal opinions no disrespect

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RE: A lighter view of Gorean slavery - 3/23/2010 5:24:06 PM

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1) There is a Gorean board in this site: http://www.collarchat.com/forumid_62/tt.htm

2) Nobody likes it if you bring back treads from years ago.

3) If you expect anybody on this site to take you seriously... learn to spell in proper English

4) "Being owned" isn't an exclusive Gorean thing, there are many BDSM subs/slaves who consider themselves owned

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RE: A lighter view of Gorean slavery - 3/23/2010 5:37:28 PM

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just because i dont spell everything out doesnt mean anything about who i am i just had a couple of easy questions to be answered no need to be rude about it. and yes it is "owned" i have friends that are into the gorean lifestyle and they "own" girls. i just wanted to know why people like that not being disrespectful or rude by any means at all

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RE: A lighter view of Gorean slavery - 3/23/2010 5:42:54 PM

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ORIGINAL: mvthsgirl

im not much into the Gorean lifestyle but i have some questions, i dont want to sound rude or disrespect anyone so plz dnt take these the wrong way. i just want to know how ppl deal with bein "owned" so to say? n y degrade urself? mind u these r personal opinions no disrespect

No disrespect intended to you, either, but you need to understand the implications of owning or being owned (you're a switch) before you enter into that. It's a serious commitment - that's be like getting engaged without understanding what you're in for.

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RE: A lighter view of Gorean slavery - 3/23/2010 5:44:36 PM

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The lighter views of Gorean slavery center mostly around the notion that you could be owned by Hup.

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