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RE: A lighter view of Gorean slavery - 3/23/2010 10:01:57 PM   
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RE: A lighter view of Gorean slavery - 3/23/2010 10:08:01 PM   
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Status: offline 		LafayetteLady just a correction, its not a Gorean aspect of BDSM, its a forum with regard to people who live as Goreans -- a life form. Gorean or Gor not an aspect of BDSM nor do Goreans don't see being Gorean as an aspect of BDSM. In fact, people who understand Gor will tell you it has nothing to do with BDSM lol.

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RE: A lighter view of Gorean slavery - 3/24/2010 1:23:15 PM   
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Status: offline 		So because there was one person who said something you disagree with therefore everyone who identifies that way must be deluded or evil? Jump to conclusions, much?

I've known men I disliked however I did not conclude that all men are unlikable. I've met Lutherans who I wouldn't give the time of day to, I do not however loathe all Lutherans. Get the point?

And if you don't want to be degraded, then don't partner with a man who enjoys that. Simple as that.

Some people get off on degradation, they find it makes them happier and stronger when they go back to their daily life. Others won't tolerate it. Same for spinach by the way. The fact that I like spinach doesn't mean everyone else has to. The fact that I don't do degradation doesn't mean nobody else can.

And don't use text speak on the boards, unless you want everyone here to think less of you. We will. You've been told that already. If you do want that, then why claim you don't want to be degraded?


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RE: A lighter view of Gorean slavery - 3/24/2010 1:30:21 PM   
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Status: offline 		first of all i never said that everyone was deluded or evil that is why i asked the questions i did instead of jumping to conclusions.....second of all i am used to typing like that because it takes up less time and space

there are many people as you said likes to be degraded i understand that i was just wanting someones opinion on it because i was courious....everyone is entitled to their own opinion

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RE: A lighter view of Gorean slavery - 3/24/2010 2:10:39 PM   
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Actually, I rather doubt ishy would state things as you have below. But I'll try and help you girls a bit.

Recently I've come to the conclusion that there really is no "Gorean Lifestyle" as if it were a socially separate segment of society (damn say that five times real fast). Apart from the online and otherwise fantasy role players along with other internet perverts/nut jobs it remains rather consist for most of those that identify as or are viewed as being Gorean that they study, refine and apply philosophical disciplines that are for the most Gorean in scope.

The fact is the cultures as Norman identifies them within his novels are derived from civilizations of humanity's past; so it might be said that most "Goreans" long for social principles and concepts from days gone by.

That being said we are then left to understand that being or applying things Gorean will not imply that the Gorean Philosophy exists within the BDSM mantra.

The Gorean philosophy itself does exact certain concepts concurrent with BDSM ideals. For instance; Goreans fancy the use of whips, chains and other disciplinarian or bondage devices utilized within the BDSM M/s and D/s dynamics. It might be important to note that Goreans seldom if ever use the whip or tools commonly viewed as corrective in nature for the use of pleasure.

It also seems apparent to me that Goreans applying their philosophical attributes could be compared in some ways with some modern Leather or 50's lifestylers; but as I am trying to impart, being a Gorean is only in part about things that might be seen as sexual, kink or adult leisure time activities.

Additionally while slavery may have been a legal statute for the Goreans in Norman's novels, slavery as a forced and corruptible concept was not actually a Gorean objective at the core within the male/female interaction. It is rather concurred that the natural ideal that men and women in general tend to seek the internal dynamic of man's mastery over women.

Now it's not imperative that the entirety of humanity agree with this concept, it is a Gorean belief and while some will disagree it works pretty well for those darned ole' Goreans.

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ORIGINAL: LafayetteLady

ishy was pointing out to you that there is a whole board dedicated specifically to the Gorean aspects of BDSM.




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RE: A lighter view of Gorean slavery - 3/24/2010 2:33:19 PM   
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Status: offline 		you make alot of really good points and that was the answers to my questions i had asked and i thank you

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RE: A lighter view of Gorean slavery - 3/24/2010 2:56:37 PM   
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Status: offline 		Actually DESfip, i have no clue what you are talking about -- unless you are addressing someone else, you will need to clarify. deleted the rest of this because in reading the rest of your post -- it seems yo are addressing someone else.

NM.

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RE: A lighter view of Gorean slavery - 3/24/2010 3:48:11 PM   
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Gorean or Gor not an aspect of BDSM nor do Goreans don't see being Gorean as an aspect of BDSM. In fact, people who understand Gor will tell you it has nothing to do with BDSM lol.

i know practically nothing about Gor or Goreans, as i've only done a little reading. i may be entirely mistaken, but isn't it more about philosophy and principles, and the kink that might take place is a separate thing? i would love if S/someone would enlighten me.

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RE: A lighter view of Gorean slavery - 3/24/2010 4:04:46 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: barelynangel

LafayetteLady just a correction, its not a Gorean aspect of BDSM, its a forum with regard to people who live as Goreans -- a life form. Gorean or Gor not an aspect of BDSM nor do Goreans don't see being Gorean as an aspect of BDSM. In fact, people who understand Gor will tell you it has nothing to do with BDSM lol.

angel


I have spent years trying to convince the mods of this fact for years!!!

Hoping that they will finally flush the gorean forum down the toilet. they have no place out here.

They are more like trekkies.

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RE: A lighter view of Gorean slavery - 3/24/2010 4:15:46 PM   
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Status: offline 		I think I covered that in the above post of mine. Perhaps I was a tad too cryptic.

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ORIGINAL: DWCskitten

i know practically nothing about Gor or Goreans, as i've only done a little reading. i may be entirely mistaken, but isn't it more about philosophy and principles, and the kink that might take place is a separate thing? i would love if S/someone would enlighten me.

~kitten~



< Message edited by xBullx -- 3/24/2010 4:18:58 PM >

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RE: A lighter view of Gorean slavery - 3/24/2010 4:23:43 PM   
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RE: A lighter view of Gorean slavery - 3/24/2010 4:48:26 PM   
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It seems to me that someone that's single most reason for posting is to instigate, bait and create a general nuisance, and then hides behind the guise of a fabricated profile has little in the way of credibility for preaching condemnation over anyone else/s beliefs.


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ORIGINAL: barelynangel

LafayetteLady just a correction, its not a Gorean aspect of BDSM, its a forum with regard to people who live as Goreans -- a life form. Gorean or Gor not an aspect of BDSM nor do Goreans don't see being Gorean as an aspect of BDSM. In fact, people who understand Gor will tell you it has nothing to do with BDSM lol.

angel


I have spent years trying to convince the mods of this fact for years!!!

Hoping that they will finally flush the gorean forum down the toilet. they have no place out here.

They are more like trekkies.



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RE: A lighter view of Gorean slavery - 3/24/2010 4:53:32 PM   
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You are welcome girlie....

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ORIGINAL: DWCskitten

Thank You, Sir, and excuse me. You are right.

~kitten~



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RE: A lighter view of Gorean slavery - 3/24/2010 5:41:50 PM   
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That's for sure since all of us "BDSM'ers" do not think alike. Never have, never will..........luci

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RE: A lighter view of Gorean slavery - 3/24/2010 5:55:34 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: barelynangel

LafayetteLady just a correction, its not a Gorean aspect of BDSM, its a forum with regard to people who live as Goreans -- a life form. Gorean or Gor not an aspect of BDSM nor do Goreans don't see being Gorean as an aspect of BDSM. In fact, people who understand Gor will tell you it has nothing to do with BDSM lol.

angel


angel, I make no claim to know anything about Gor/Gorean, etc. and readily admit that I'm not terribly interested in it either. I also know I'm not in a small group in that thinking. So much so that we have a board specifically dedicated to people who would like to speak about those things and the OP would do much better to post there.

As for it having nothing to do with BDSM, if it didn't, those people wouldn't be on this site. Just sayin.

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RE: A lighter view of Gorean slavery - 3/24/2010 6:10:24 PM   
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It might have served you better to simply say, go home we (we being your not so small group of people) don't like your kind around these parts and we don't want to be troubled by you.

Just sayin'

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angel, I make no claim to know anything about Gor/Gorean, etc. and readily admit that I'm not terribly interested in it either. I also know I'm not in a small group in that thinking. So much so that we have a board specifically dedicated to people who would like to speak about those things and the OP would do much better to post there.

As for it having nothing to do with BDSM, if it didn't, those people wouldn't be on this site. Just sayin.



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RE: A lighter view of Gorean slavery - 3/24/2010 6:16:28 PM   
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As for it having nothing to do with BDSM, if it didn't, those people wouldn't be on this site. Just sayin.


Greetings Mistress,

This site also has an "Art and Photography" section, a "Creative Writing" section, a "Humor" section, and even a "Politics and Religion" section, yet nobody would consider those things to fall under the umbrella of BDSM, just because they appear on this site.

It is rather the case that a lot of people who enjoy BDSM also seem to enjoy exploring these things, even though the things themselves have nothing directly in common with BDSM.

I would suggest that the Gorean section on CollarMe is much the same. Gorean philosophy has no real connections with BDSM.
There are, in fact, a lot of strictly Gorean sites out there that have no BDSM section at all; where talk about slaves, slavery, whips, sex and things like that are frowned upon, and not welcomed, and were talk about things involved in BDSM are most defiantly not welcomed.
However, at the same time, there are many Goreans -though not even most- who enjoy engaging in activities also enjoyed by BDSM folks, and there are also many Goreans -though again, not most- who enjoy keeping slaves, and discussing slaves. Because of this, a Gorean section on a BDSM site isn't inappropriate, just like a "Politics and Religion" sections on a BDSM site isn't inappropriate if the members of said BDSM site happen to enjoy discussions about such topics.

I do not understand why a mutual interest in thing from two different groups of people would imply that all interests of both groups are identical.
So could you please explain why the presents of a Gorean section on this site, to you, proves that Gorean is a subset of BDSM?

I wish you well,

ishy
 

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RE: A lighter view of Gorean slavery - 3/24/2010 6:23:33 PM   
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Status: offline 		LafayetteLady, glad i could help clarify things then since i do know Gor, am Gorean, and have an interest in same lol.

And Gor is on this site is simply like POLY is, just like gay and lesbian is. Just because they are on this site does not mean they are an aspect of BDSM. I think many poly and gays and lesbians would have an issue with people attempting to label their beliefs and understandings and being as an aspect of BDSM. While they may practice things individually that may fall undersame, as SOME and the percentage is rather low, Goreans practice M/s, doesn't mean that being Gorean or GOrean in and of itself is an aspect of BDSM.

From the stories i hear, the GOrean forum exists because no discussions could be had without it boiling into huge bitch sessions among BDSMers and Goreans regarding things like mindsets and slavery that they felt it was best to create a forum for Goreans as for many our mindsets and such about things like slavery are in many ways offensive to the openminded BDSMers lol. This specific forum has allowed a wide variety of information and topics to be discussed about being Gorean and we aren't narrowed down to specifically things like slavery. It wasn't able to be done before there was a forum. But being Gorean -- in and of itself Gor doesn't have anything to do with BDSM.

ANyway, just a bit of trivia from what i understand as to the creation of the forum. I enjoy the forum it allows for discussions on a very focused concept.

angel

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RE: A lighter view of Gorean slavery - 3/24/2010 6:24:37 PM   
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Status: offline 		Ishy get outta my head lol i was just writing the same type of response only about poly and gay and lesbian lol.

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RE: A lighter view of Gorean slavery - 3/24/2010 6:27:15 PM   
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