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RE: A lighter view of Gorean slavery - 3/23/2010 5:50:47 PM

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ishy offered you helpful advice.

my Master does not identify as Gorean, yet he fully owns me.

Why do i like it ? To Master and i, it is what is right.

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RE: A lighter view of Gorean slavery - 3/23/2010 6:58:06 PM

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RE: A lighter view of Gorean slavery - 3/23/2010 7:14:35 PM

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just because i dont spell everything out doesnt mean anything about who i am i just had a couple of easy questions to be answered no need to be rude about it. and yes it is "owned" i have friends that are into the gorean lifestyle and they "own" girls. i just wanted to know why people like that not being disrespectful or rude by any means at all

i am not Gorean and neither is my Master. Yet i am owned by Him. i can't say why other people like that, but i happen to love that feeling of being owned, being totally possessed and totally controlled. It's hard to describe, but it's like nothing else i have ever experienced and it's something i love.

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RE: A lighter view of Gorean slavery - 3/23/2010 7:15:43 PM

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hahahahaha lmao!!!!!

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RE: A lighter view of Gorean slavery - 3/23/2010 7:16:14 PM

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ORIGINAL: mvthsgirl

just because i dont spell everything out doesnt mean anything about who i am i just had a couple of easy questions to be answered no need to be rude about it. and yes it is "owned" i have friends that are into the gorean lifestyle and they "own" girls. i just wanted to know why people like that not being disrespectful or rude by any means at all

I wasn't trying to be rude, just giving some helpful advice.
Personally my mother tongue (like many others here) isn't English, so I could barely even read what you wrote.

I pointed you to the Gorean section, because that's the appropriate place for questions directed at Goreans.

I pointed out to you that people don't like it if you bring back very old topics, especially not when your question has no relevance to the topic, because... well... people around these parts don't like that...

I pointed out to your that "being owned" is not a Gorean specific thing, because... well... there are MANY BDSM dynamics that include ownership and your question has very little, if anything at all, to do with Gorean philosophy (the core of what this Gorean stuff is all about). Therefore you will most likely get better replies to your specific question from BDSM folks than from Goreans, because Gorean on the whole, are just going to react annoyed because of yet another question dealing with slavery is being asked (Goreans like to debate philosophy and ethics, and usually don't care too much for debates and questions dealing with slavery).

Why do I know all this?
Because I'm a Gorean kajira (slave), and have been for quite some time.
I've also been around these boards for quite some time.
I just wanted to point you in the right directions for finding answers to your question, no offense intended...

Now as to why I like being owned.
That's a complicated answer. For the most part, I don't like being owned, because the type of slavery that Master keeps me in is probably about as close to "really" legal slavery as one could get. It's not about sex, kinky games, fantasy or role-play and all that happy horseshit.
My daily existence is comprised mostly of heavy and long work days, filled with anything from domestic tasks, to carpentry, to yard work, to personal assistant, maid, and any other unpleasant task you can imagine.
I rarely get to spend time with Master, and when I do, it's rarely in a personal fashion.

So there, I don't like being owned, in fact, I hate it most days.
It's just that it's the only way I am allowed to be in Master's life, and for the moment, one minute at his feet still trumps all the shit I go through all week long to be allowed to spend some time with him.
I'd much rather be with him and be free, but that's just not in the cards for me, so I "suffer" trough my collar, because he makes it all worth it.

I wish you well,

ishy

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RE: A lighter view of Gorean slavery - 3/23/2010 7:42:56 PM

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im not a switch as i said im not really into the gorean lifestyle...... and as i said its just a personal opinion. i just dont see why someone would want to be dictated thats all

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RE: A lighter view of Gorean slavery - 3/23/2010 7:52:17 PM

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im not a switch as i said im not really into the gorean lifestyle...... and as i said its just a personal opinion. i just dont see why someone would want to be dictated thats all

i can't say for others but, for me, when He gets all powerful and Dominant on me, my heart jumps and flutters and i just "eat that shit up." Again, like i said in my previous post, hard to explain.

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RE: A lighter view of Gorean slavery - 3/23/2010 7:57:40 PM

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i see what you are saying its the thrill of being dominated that you like right? but at times doesnt it hurt emotionally.....mentally?

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RE: A lighter view of Gorean slavery - 3/23/2010 8:28:15 PM

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RE: A lighter view of Gorean slavery - 3/23/2010 8:31:08 PM

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i find that very wrong to try to change a peson from who they are to some one you want. no one should be forced into that

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RE: A lighter view of Gorean slavery - 3/23/2010 8:32:36 PM

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no direspect intended by the way

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RE: A lighter view of Gorean slavery - 3/23/2010 8:38:47 PM

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I can't tell you what BDSMers define as owned, but within Gor its a concept that begins with the mastery of a woman by a Man and he then determines she will exist in his life as his slave thereby choosing to own her. The slavery what she is held in, the mastery is what holds her.

Is it degrading -- sure, i mean to live without your autonomy and self-determination is a degrading concept to most Free people. Slaves of Goreans live without dignity, modesty, expectation of respect. Its a concept that helps distinguish them into the mindset of a slave of a Gorean.

Being a slave of a Gorean is not always easy, for a woman who understands and knew independence many times there are days of rebellion and attempts to be in control. There are times when the degration of not being in control, of having no modesty and dignity especially among people you would have once walked among as an equal status, it hurts, its frustrating and its HARD, however, that is when the mastery holds you where the Man determines you to be, a slave in his life and thereby a slave among Free.

Most women who thrive in slavery especially slavery as Goreans usually hold women in, is that the mastery feeds her needs, she is thriving because she feeds of the mastery and his ownership of her. Many times the slavery and M/s concept breaks down when those needs stop getting fed and she instinctively seeks to find something to feed those needs OR she tries and mentally control the slavery and hold herself in same.

This is basic -- there are many ways of explaning it but the mastery is what most women who thrive in Gorean slavery seek and the ownership is an extra bonus because of his determination to own her and hold her to his will.

He will create the environment and atmosphere within which she will exist as HE determines how she will exist in his life. His determination to make changes means that his mastery has to be capable of achieving those changes in her, which means on the very basic level, she is malleable to same. Many wome who are slaves suck at being Free. While its not all roses and skipping around, it is something they find security and pleasure and needs are fed while being held by a Man who has determined she is his slave and is capable of mastering her to his will.

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RE: A lighter view of Gorean slavery - 3/23/2010 8:43:09 PM

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i find that very wrong to try to change a peson from who they are to some one you want. no one should be forced into that

With this concept in your head, you probably won't ever come to understand why a woman would thrive in slavery or even more specific ownership. Its not something everyone understands and on many levels its very hard to understand. A Man who claims a slave does so usually due to the potential he sees in her, i rarely know of a Man who feels the woman he claims as a slave initially fits the mold of what he wants exactly.

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RE: A lighter view of Gorean slavery - 3/23/2010 8:44:03 PM

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i see what you are saying its the thrill of being dominated that you like right? but at times doesn't it hurt emotionally.....mentally?

Umm, i remember one time when He "tested my limits," it was a little scary, but He always reassures me that He would never do anything to harm me and i now trust Him. Where it might harm someone who was not wired for submissioon the way i am, for instance my very assertive (vanilla) sister, this is exactly what i need. If i did not trust Him, then being owned by & submitting to Him would be harmful to me, because i wouldn't feel safe. But i do trust.

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RE: A lighter view of Gorean slavery - 3/23/2010 9:03:31 PM

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I'll take a stab at this.... (And to ishy: I'd be very interested if you'd tease out a bit more info from the line of thought in your post above: what exactly is it about the time with him, that makes all that you go through worth it? Please explain a bit more about your feelings, when at his feet, and what exactly he does or how he makes you feel, that makes all your trials worthwhile? Can you be more specific please? Thanks!

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Mvthsgirl, I will try to explain:

Ownership and being owned, feels deeply satisfying to those who need and/or desire it. In a way that nothing else does. It feels very beautiful and sweet, and right. Within an owner/ owned dynamic, we are able to be our authentic selves. It feels like this is what we were born for. It just feels deeply, exquisitely gorgeous and right, for us to be this way.

Think of it as an orientation, if that helps. If you were gay, it would feel deeply satisfying and right, to live as gay. Like you were born to be this way, deep down inside. Born to feel this way. Like being this way is a perfect, beautiful way of being your true self. If you were heterosexual, living as a heterosexual would feel right. It would feel like you belong this way. Like spiritually, you were meant to be this way, and that being this way is an expression of who you really are, deep inside. It would just feel so right. Like coming home.

So, an owner/owned dynamic feeds the spirits of those who need and desire it, because it is a perfect expression of who we really are, deep down inside ourselves. Within that dynamic, we get to be our true selves, and live our authentic lives. We get to live the life we were born for. It feels very good and sweet and comfy and soooo right, and deeply spiritually satisfying, and almost unbearably beautiful.

Does that help?

Edited to add: I am not Gorean at all, FYI. I'm just a slave owner. I'm just addressing the topic of why anyone would want and/or need an owner/owned dynamic.

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RE: A lighter view of Gorean slavery - 3/23/2010 9:11:09 PM

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i dnt really know much about the gorean lifestyle but i do know that not all of it in my opinion is right.... like on the 1st page there is a blog from a guy that was really degrading n very very disrespectful that i honestly (in my opinion) dont think any1 wld agree with

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RE: A lighter view of Gorean slavery - 3/23/2010 9:15:58 PM

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PHEW.... another old thread brought to life as a zombie. What the hell!

There is a gorean forum.

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RE: A lighter view of Gorean slavery - 3/23/2010 9:29:44 PM

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As a relatively new sub, this girl wishes to thank the Goreans for their perspective. Much is being learned.

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RE: A lighter view of Gorean slavery - 3/23/2010 9:52:05 PM

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yes that helps a little thank you idk i guess im too headstrong for it but i do thank you for your imput

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RE: A lighter view of Gorean slavery - 3/23/2010 9:59:14 PM

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ORIGINAL: mvthsgirl

i dnt really know much about the gorean lifestyle but i do know that not all of it in my opinion is right.... like on the 1st page there is a blog from a guy that was really degrading n very very disrespectful that i honestly (in my opinion) dont think any1 wld agree with

n u have mail 2

ishy was pointing out to you that there is a whole board dedicated specifically to the Gorean aspects of BDSM.

She also pointed out that for those posters who do not have English as their first language, your "computer text speak" becomes difficult for them to read. You are from Illiniois and there really isn't any reason you shouldn't be able to type out entire words in your post.

As to the things that you are finding yourself having trouble understanding, you are a mere 19 and just joined this site today. There are plenty of threads that will discuss in detail many of your questions, along with giving you answers. The search function is your friend.

It is not totally "odd" that you don't understand the concept of one person "owning" another, however, from your posts, your "newness" is blaringly obvious. You might want to learn a little about the lifestyle by reading before posting questions and instantly making assumptions about the people who are happily in owner/owned relationships that you obviously know nothing about.

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