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imthatacheyouhav -> RE: 'Owner' not Master (7/28/2007 11:29:03 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: ownedgirlie Okay, well here goes. I am a human. I am a beautiful spirit which my Master loves and uses and enjoys. In that context, I am many things to him as his slave. One of which is his pet. It fulfills me to be objectified and treated like an animal at times. It feeds me to reach into the depths of my core and become so primal that I can growl and snarl and be yanked around on a leash and eat out of a bowl and be patted on the head and be cared for as one cares for a loved pet. None of that takes anything away from me; rather it bonds us together because it is SAFE to be those things to him and I am grateful to him that he lets me. It is SAFE to explore that part of me which was left stifled for so many years, because of partners who thought it was sick or ill or pitiful to even have such thoughts. For further insight, I might suggest you read the thread about sharing fantasies, and why so many are afraid to share what they'd really like to explore - because of being met with rejection. Do you realize your post of being sad for those women was a complete rejection of anyone who might otherwise want to share these delights? Rather than ask, you rejected, and that is why people reacted to you as they did. Mind you, I don't see anything here in the way of being upset or exploding...perhaps we have different definitions of that. Thankyou for taking the time for sharing your personal views, it is helpful and insightful...i'm curious, are there 24/7 "pets" meaning thats the only way they are ever treated?...or is that even possible ?..... and i'm sorry if my not understanding this dynamic came acrossed in an assholeish manner...its not the 1st time i have stuck my foot in my cyber mouth...and i doubt it will be the last...again...thankyou for taking the time to share this girlie

ownedgirlie -> RE: 'Owner' not Master (7/28/2007 11:35:56 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: imthatacheyouhav Thankyou for taking the time for sharing your personal views, it is helpful and insightful...i'm curious, are there 24/7 "pets" meaning thats the only way they are ever treated?...or is that even possible ?..... and i'm sorry if my not understanding this dynamic came acrossed in an assholeish manner...its not the 1st time i have stuck my foot in my cyber mouth...and i doubt it will be the last...again...thankyou for taking the time to share this girlie You are welcome. All you had to do was ask :) As for 24/7 pets, I am not that, and I can not speak for others who engage in it. I can only imagine, however, that it fulfills a need and/or desire in both/all parties who engage, or they would likely not be engaging in it. I did talk with a man on CM once who did wish for a full time puppyslut. He said she would ALWAYS behave as a pup and ALWAYS be treated as one. Upon further conversation, exceptions came up, which made room for "life" stuff - going to the doctors, going outside for air, taking care of "life" issues for him, etc. But the thing is, as "out there" as such a way of life may seem to you & I, if it works for those doing it, then by all means, let them do it. Just because you and I might think something is too extreme for us, doesn't mean it isn't the most fulfilling way of life someone else can imagine. So often we only relate to how WE (collectively) might feel, without taking into account that someone else may actually love it. So if someone is looking for a 24/7 pet, I don't automatically assume he wants to kidnap some poor soul and lock her up against her will. I'm going to assume he's looking for someone who wants to be kept as one, and wish him a happy search. :)

sbenson -> RE: 'Owner' not Master (7/28/2007 12:42:22 PM)
Your Owner should be proud of you girlie. That sounded patronising? I don't care.

ownedgirlie -> RE: 'Owner' not Master (7/28/2007 12:44:06 PM)
It didn't sound patronizing to me; it sounded like a compliment and I will accept it as one and thank you for it. :)

sbenson -> RE: 'Owner' not Master (7/28/2007 1:14:22 PM)
Hi MsCameron A Day in the Life. Mine or pets? I'll ask pet to write in. Generally I wake up before pet. I have work to do. Owner/pet relationship is based on old fashioned values. I get up and work to provide for my pet, my dog and my son. pet sleeps in til about 10am. Sometimes I take her coffee. Bored yet? pet has to wait for permission to 'speak'. Why? Because I like the fact that her very waking moments are involved in remembering my rules. I find it incredible that bleary eyes, half asleep my pet has never broken this rule. This seemingly meaningless rule makes me feel good about my pet. At the very beginning of each day. That's a positive. I walk the dog. Here in Amsterdam it's a 50euro fine if your dog shits anywhere. I pick up my dogs crap. Everyday. I get back and go to the office. I work from home. Still not bored? pet comes down stairs. I give her permission to 'speak'. Every morning her voice is a gift. Birdsong. Just like the dog. Always pleased to see me. Saccarine huh? I'll take it. I've had hard times. We work all day. I learned my mistakes with previous petgirls. Tigerr is given tasks and has learned new skills. She's now not just submissive eye-candy (which I value), she's also a very competent editor (FCP). Tigerr is a working pet. Lunch is a low carb affair. Tigerr is a chinese breed and gets grumpy if she doesnt have rice or noodles atleast every other day..so all other carbs are reduced. Our recent favorite meal is schnitzel which Tigerr brought back from her visits to HW Design latex in Vienna. Skinny pork filet on a bed of greens! Occasionally, Tigerr takes a nap after lunch. In a dog cage. I sometimes read her to sleep. I last read her 'Rising Sun'..its trashy but it sent her to sleep in a few minutes. Result. Six o clock is officially 'wine o clock. I borrowed this of Jeff at House of Gord. It's a good excuse to finish work. At the moment we're pushing out Petgirls DVD in NTSC for US and Japan markets, plus a Petgirls book project. I'd like Goliath to be interested. Taschen won't because Eric Kroll is best buddies with my ex Adrianna Nicole (Petal Benson) and he's picture editor at Tachen. So, my friend Chas Ray Krider referred me to Goliath, but I met Agnes Giard at 'Sadistic Circus' in Tokyo and I'm thinking she might want to do a book. I digress. Gay Craig comes around. We eat and drink. Amsterdam is a tough place to work. So many distractions. I like to drink. Most of the time Tigerr is my 'seeing eye' dog. She gets me home when I'm blitzed. I'm never crazy drunk - its gone too far for that. I just don't remember. Like that time I got thrown out of the Tranny bar for fighting. Luckily my son was in town and he hauled me out. The trannies let me back in cos I got some killer moves for their 3 x 3 metre raised disco floor at the back. If you're in town it's a blast - Lelie Belles. I digress again. Tigerr is Tigerr all week apart from Sunday which is family day and then she's Tina. I make sure she calls her folks. We have a Sunday roast with lots of guests. In Amsterdam there is no shortage of hungry expats. Reading back this 'Day in the Life', I am aware there are few salacious details. I should have mentioned the collars, the panting and the doggy sex but I forgot. I'm going to get Tigerr to 'fetch' more details to you. 'whistles' In the mean time me and my stuff is showcased on Sexcetera 'Petgirls/Amsterdam' and in the upcoming edition of SMSniper magazine. Otherwise ask me direct questions. It's Sunday tomorrow..I have time to reply. Were you bored?

MsCameron -> RE: 'Owner' not Master (7/28/2007 2:06:07 PM)
Thank you :) Was I bored? No, not at all. smile I was looking to see if there was a element of work, tasks, chores.. whatever you wish to call them and also a dose of "real life" as Sunday looks like it may be. I'm always interested in the "bones" of a relationship where the focus may be different then my own. Not to mention, always interested in the sexual/sm aspect too. (God, I loved INSEX) I'm out to dinner with my lifestyle dinner club so I'll look back tomorrow. Yes, it must be"wine o'clock" Cheers, MC

LaTigresse -> RE: 'Owner' not Master (7/28/2007 5:31:39 PM)
sbenson, thank you for your further descriptions of an example of your daily life. What you describe makes sense to me. While it may not be 100% my interest I respect that it is yours and that it works for you and your pet. I often view my feelings and disciplines with a girl, as I do my 4 legged creatures. I think I just have somewhat of a different skew and a more emotionally deep connection even though I do love my 4 legged babies a great deal. As someone else has written, I love to read about daily life. How others take some of our different ideas about relationships, versus the tradition/vanilla, and make them work day to day. It inspires me.

domiguy -> RE: 'Owner' not Master (7/28/2007 6:50:47 PM)
I think it is always important to have a pet that you can "take"...Just in case it turns on you.....Being that you are 5'7" has this ever been a concern? I mean having a few good moves in a tranny bar may not be enough to escape the claws and teeth of an angry and raging 5' 09" inch pet.....Any concerns in this department? Edited to add.... LaT you look fuckin' hot!!!

mstrjx -> RE: 'Owner' not Master (7/28/2007 9:10:12 PM)
To the OP, Would you be the same Simon Benson who illustrates for bookcovers for the House of Gord and others? Curious. Jeff

Aswad -> RE: 'Owner' not Master (7/28/2007 9:47:17 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: sbenson Got a pet dog or cat? Have cat. Have had two cats and three dogs. Want Czechoslovakian wolf dog. quote: Imagine having a relationship with another human based on those terms. Certainly. Here's how that goes... Cat: "Owner" means "meal ticket". The cat does what it likes, and the owner adores it anyway. Dog: "Owner" means "pack leader". The dog can be trained to obey, and is otherwise social, loyal and deferential. Essentially the same as you can do in any other M/s relationship with a bit of conditioning and so forth. Common: "Owner" provides everything, "pet" exclusively provides companionship, requires a lot of work, and still leaves its "presents" in the garden or wherever. Conversation adds some, size restores equilibrium between human pets and animal pets on cost/benefit scale. That said... Have you looked into damane in the fictional work The Wheel of Time? Seems that particular brand of human pet lifestyle is starting to bud. quote: Having a pet is s a form of D/s relationship we've all had at one time or another. Yes... then I decided I prefer to be the dominant party instead. [:D]

tbenson1 -> RE: 'Owner' not Master (7/29/2007 3:33:09 AM)
Luckily I have a penchant for pocket sized girls. My ex when I was vanilla was 5'10"..which at the time I though was hawt. In my artwork you'll see lots of really short men or even midgets with tall elegant women on leashes. It's a trophy wife fetish. But now I prefer tiny women. I'm not sure if it makes them any easier to dominate. I have a black belt in karate but if I need to manhandle anyone - a whip or a cattle prod is less effort. But I understand you. Short guys (me included) tend to compensate with aggression to the point it becomes second nature. When I was dating Adrianna Nicole and living in Seattle..I got into a lot of trouble on account of this. Especially as it was the European Championships and we got knocked out by France on penalties. I remember that day well thru a mist of rage and guinness. I'm over that now. Amsterdam can do that to you. BTW, I wasn't fighting trannies. Three Dutch dudes who were taking the piss.

tbenson1 -> RE: 'Owner' not Master (7/29/2007 3:34:43 AM)
Hi Jeff Yes, that's me. There's usually 20 or so illustrations inside. But that was years ago. I moved onto Marquis in Solingen and illustrated my own range there - BensonBooks. I don't draw much now though.

tbenson1 -> RE: 'Owner' not Master (7/29/2007 3:41:36 AM)
Hi Aswad Parts of what you say are certainly true. Before I shoot a new model I always ask 'if you were an animal, what kind of animal would you be?' as an icebreaker. There's usually two answers - 'cat' or 'dog'. I don't so much care for the models who answer 'cat'. I know what they're going to be like. Same fetish fashion poses, same facial expressions. It makes for nice cool pictures but not very interesting. But over the years we've moved away from shooting girls as 'puppies', 'kittens' or 'piggies'. I now have a hybrid - the 'petgirl'. I prefer to shoot 'petgirls' who perform all manner of animal actions to a girl pretending to be a poodle. It makes more sense as we're all animals anyway. Previous comments about how it's negative to treat women as animals suggest that human's are above animals. I'm not convinced.

tbenson1 -> RE: 'Owner' not Master (7/29/2007 4:12:05 AM)
Here's some more then... 24/7 is always going to be difficult unless you really, I mean really need it, not just think you'd like it. I won't go into details but I have issues regarding empathy and emotional connection. I realised thru my relationship with my son that I can have 'real' feelings about someone who is dependent and weaker than me. I can feel sympathy and pity. Curiously I first noticed this during bar fights. At the outset I just want to fight and win. When you're winning you can see in your opponent's eyes a change of expression - fear. At this point I always stopped fighting. I always felt a sad for the 'beaten' one. After a while I realised that this was the most important part of the fight for me. Not exactly to enjoy seeing someone sad and beaten but more to feel what I felt inside. Sympathy. To feel the broad spectrum of emotions that others around me routinely enjoy I need a person around me who is totally dependent and submissive. At first I bought a dog. It worked. I got a petgirl. It's working. But I have to invest a lot of time into making it work. Anyone in a 24/7 will know the sometimes crushing responsibility and the strange reversal of having complete control over someone and yet feeling like a servant. I've taken measures to avoid this. I think about my relationship with Tigerr as being completely normal. Amusingly, I now think of my vanilla friends relationships with each other as being far more complicated and fragile..but they obviously think the same about me. For me, 24/7 is a mode in which I operate most naturally. It just takes organisation. In a former life as an architect I learned these skills. In a vanilla relationship I am/was overbearing, controlling and claustrophobic. In my relationship with Tigerr I am allowed to be 'me'. For this I am greatly appreciative of Tigerr and my previous 'pets' who've helped me to get to this point of stability. Jeez, I could whitter on like this forever, discussing my favorite subject (me). Someone stop me.

imthatacheyouhav -> RE: 'Owner' not Master (7/29/2007 8:11:19 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: ownedgirlie It didn't sound patronizing to me; it sounded like a compliment and I will accept it as one and thank you for it. :) Ownedgirlie....it was/is indeed a sincere compliment...thankyou for noticing that.

Grlwithboy -> RE: 'Owner' not Master (7/29/2007 12:59:20 PM)
I have a boy kitty in my husband - he's very reluctant to admit it, but when I put him in zentai, instacat physical presence - everything but the meow. This meshes with his personality (a dog pees on the rug and you punish it, a cat pees on the rug and you punish it and it just pees everywhere else because it's more freaked out - bolster and calm the kitty and he'll pee where he should and be your buddy) and the fact that I'm kind of indulgent and pussywhipped by him in a way that no other boy would ever get away with. I can see why girl cats would be tiresome and a little obvious and princessy. But I secretly class almost all the bottoms I play with into dogs and cats.

Aswad -> RE: 'Owner' not Master (7/29/2007 4:19:32 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: tbenson1 It makes more sense as we're all animals anyway. Previous comments about how it's negative to treat women as animals suggest that human's are above animals. I'm not convinced. I never claimed humans are above animals, though others here did. And I agree that the "pet" paradigm can work, if one does not disregard the unique nature of the human animal. Though, I suspect it would work better with extensive deconditioning of social constructs that are not conducive to the paradigm. Of course, at the end of that road lies the equivalent of a feral child, so you'd have to find a middle ground. Humans in their base form, without social inheritance, are no more pleasant as pets than apes are.

sbenson -> RE: 'Owner' not Master (7/30/2007 12:54:17 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Aswad quote: ORIGINAL: tbenson1 I suspect it would work better with extensive deconditioning of social constructs that are not conducive to the paradigm. What you are talking about is a rebirth. This is exactly what has to be done. Reinvention. It works with some better than others and it's a rocky road. Usually, we all have some form of emotional baggage the exorcism of which can be the catalyst for change/re-invention/re-evaluation of self. Of course I admit 're-invention' is not the best choice of words, there is a better one that eludes me at the moment. At any rate deconditioning calls for an extensive amount of sacrifice on the part of the would be petgirl, which in itself seperates the pets from the humans.

Aswad -> RE: 'Owner' not Master (7/30/2007 5:51:26 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: sbenson What you are talking about is a rebirth. This is exactly what has to be done. Reinvention. Figured as much, and tend to agree. quote: Of course I admit 're-invention' is not the best choice of words, there is a better one that eludes me at the moment. Behavioural modification, if it's basic. Personality refactoring, if it's extensive. Identity reconstruction, if it's comprehensive. If you're talking about deconstructing the old and constructing something new mostly from scratch, with behaviour, morals, personality, identity and memories included, then I doubt any other term than brainwashing comes close to conveying the notion concisely. Which is not a value judgment. quote: At any rate deconditioning calls for an extensive amount of sacrifice on the part of the would be petgirl, which in itself seperates the pets from the humans. ~nod~ I think you'd like the damane in Wheel of Time, though that's nonconsensual.

Mystique567 -> RE: 'Owner' not Master (7/31/2007 4:25:41 PM)
Rather interesting post, and in all honesty it really does sound appealing, I have 2 dogs and when I get home they get fed and stroked, walked and catered to. I would really like someone to do that with me.

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