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RE: There isn't such a thing as 'races' in humanity. - 8/3/2007 10:33:35 AM   
farglebargle


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Status: offline 		Just to summarize... If you use the term Race, professionally, with any Physical Anthropologist, they will laugh at your ignorance.



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RE: There isn't such a thing as 'races' in humanity. - 8/3/2007 10:41:33 AM   
Zensee


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Status: offline 		Curious - Thanks for your concern about my emotions. I assure you they are fine. Perhaps you should get your nagging case of hypocrisy checked out though. Double standards tend to dilute one's arguments. If you have made any serious contributions to the debate they have been pressed to death with words, the way an unprepared school kid tries to talk his way through a vacuous essay.

I might ask you to stop taking my own words, removing them from their context and pretending they support something resembling a witty retort. I won't actually ask because that would be akin to taking a beloved treat away from a child. I am a sadist but I am not cruel.


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RE: There isn't such a thing as 'races' in humanity. - 8/3/2007 10:50:03 AM   
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Just to summarize... If you use the term Race, professionally, with any Physical Anthropologist, they will laugh at your ignorance.


Since Physical Anthropology is a subset of the discipline which de-emphasizes social constructs such as race and focuses on genetics, you have once again demonstrated your mastery of straw.

OTOH, if you want to claim that there is no such thing as race anywhere in Anthropology overall, start by telling these folks:


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Department of Anthropology
Upper Division

105. Human Variation
(4) Walker
Prerequisite: Anthropology 5.
An examination of traditional race concepts contrasted with an approach to human variation through the analysis of biologically adaptive traits.


170. Anthropological Approaches to Law
(4) Staff
Prerequisite: open to Anthropology majors only.
Critical review of legal anthropology. Emphasis upon theoretical developments from classical to contemporary perspectives and their relationship to ethnographic analyses. Topics include non-western legal systems, (post)colonialism, nationalism, and the implication of law in constructions of race, class, and gender.


193. Appalachia in the American South
(4) Staff
Overview of the mountain South (Appalachia) from the entry of white settlers in the eighteenth century to today, emphasizing economy, political organization, religion, moral beliefs, and scholarly explanations of the region's "backwardness."





http://www.anth.ucsb.edu/catalog.html

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RE: There isn't such a thing as 'races' in humanity. - 8/3/2007 10:54:50 AM   
farglebargle


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Status: offline 		Exactly RACE is an ARTIFICIAL CONSTRUCTION. It is what the weak minded use instead of their brains when thinking about the issues of class and exploitation.

There are exactly TWO divisions in society.

BOSSES,

and all of US niggers.

And it doesn't matter if you're an Italian, Irishman, Jew, or Black... To The BOSS Class, we're ALL just niggers now.





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RE: There isn't such a thing as 'races' in humanity. - 8/3/2007 10:55:36 AM   
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Status: offline 		First to DomKen: yes I send out the same response, it is still a cricket lol  It is established beyond all doubt that existing species can change. There is not a shred of evidence that they change into new species, unless you make narrow self serving definitions of what constitutes a species.

To Thompson: It is true that I tend to be blunt in my appraisal of certain "racial" groups but I only do that to counterbalance the willfully dishonest PC attitudes that are presented as  "correct" in today's political climate. I am not a Little Englander or a my "country/race/social class right or wrong type" and I know that European history in particular is blood soaked in the extreme and tells a story of  vicious, social/class based discrimination and religious persecution.

None of that alters my views on the failures starkly and horrendously exposed in Africa today.
I am 100% in favour of Africans ruling themselves and I am 100% against trying to rationalise their  failure to sensibly do so.

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RE: There isn't such a thing as 'races' in humanity. - 8/3/2007 10:58:24 AM   
farglebargle


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RE: There isn't such a thing as 'races' in humanity. - 8/3/2007 11:07:13 AM   
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ORIGINAL: farglebargle

Exactly RACE is an ARTIFICIAL CONSTRUCTION.


If you meant to say 'artifical construct', so is E=MC2.  So is socio-economic status. So is 'fear'.

And still, all valid terms in science.  Just like race, if properly matched up with the correct disciplines, and not sophomorically misused to promote irrationality.

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RE: There isn't such a thing as 'races' in humanity. - 8/3/2007 11:20:13 AM   
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ORIGINAL: Zensee

I might ask you to stop taking my own words, removing them from their context and pretending they support something resembling a witty retort. I won't actually ask because that would be akin to taking a beloved treat away from a child. I am a sadist but I am not cruel.


And you say you're not being emotional. =/

PS- I'd like more intelligent people to become consistently available for such discussions on threads. So, yeah, when you say stupid things like this, it does bug me. You're one less person with a voice.

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RE: There isn't such a thing as 'races' in humanity. - 8/3/2007 11:35:18 AM   
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ORIGINAL: seeksfemslave

First to DomKen: yes I send out the same response, it is still a cricket lol  It is established beyond all doubt that existing species can change. There is not a shred of evidence that they change into new species, unless you make narrow self serving definitions of what constitutes a species.

But you're still bobbing and weaving. What precisely keeps Triticale from being a new species? What species does it belong to wheat or rye?

What about common wheat which itself is a true breding hybrid of three different species? It definitely isn't cross fertile with any of the three. As a matter of fact all the domestic wheats are derived from true breeding polyploid hybids of wild grasses. Bt since you won't define species I'm sure you'll happily claim they're all still wheat or some other such BS.

So why don't you define species in a waythat it can be applied to the organisms we encounter and I'll show you either that it is useless or that we have observed a new species emerge even under your own definition.

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RE: There isn't such a thing as 'races' in humanity. - 8/3/2007 11:39:48 AM   
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That's what I call bowing out gracefully !


Why, thank you kittinSol.  I believe that's the first time I've ever been referred to as "graceful" !

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RE: There isn't such a thing as 'races' in humanity. - 8/3/2007 11:40:25 AM   
Alumbrado


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Status: offline 		I think Doonsebury blew this 'debate' out of the water with his observation on which vaccine someone would rather have... the one before the resistant strain showed up, or the one developed after. 

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RE: There isn't such a thing as 'races' in humanity. - 8/3/2007 12:12:51 PM   
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Status: offline 		Will you just stop being such a brat?! Are you bottoming from the top, or what?!


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RE: There isn't such a thing as 'races' in humanity. - 8/3/2007 12:26:06 PM   
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ORIGINAL: farglebargle
Exactly RACE is an ARTIFICIAL CONSTRUCTION. It is what the weak minded use instead of their brains when thinking about the issues of class and exploitation.

There are exactly TWO divisions in society.
BOSSES,
and all of US niggers.

And it doesn't matter if you're an Italian, Irishman, Jew, or Black... To The BOSS Class, we're ALL just niggers now.
Stop it or you're going to give seeksfemslave a heart attack!  I told him he was African before, but it was easier for him to think I was full of crap.  
Moi on the other hand, you're just making me fan myself with all this hot talk.   M

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RE: There isn't such a thing as 'races' in humanity. - 8/3/2007 12:30:32 PM   
kittinSol


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Status: offline 		Fullfig, I love Erich Fromm: where have you been hiding all this time :-) ?

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RE: There isn't such a thing as 'races' in humanity. - 8/3/2007 12:35:46 PM   
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ORIGINAL: philosophy

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......we are all much more alike than we are different. However, both parts of that equation are crucial, our differences and our similarities. We ignore either at our peril.


Holy cow, philo. Thank you. You summed up in three sentences what was driving me mad to say in many.

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RE: There isn't such a thing as 'races' in humanity. - 8/3/2007 12:36:00 PM   
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Status: offline 		Thank you KittinSol.   I've been going through a lot at home, so trying to stay away from serious discussions.    M

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RE: There isn't such a thing as 'races' in humanity. - 8/3/2007 12:40:02 PM   
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ORIGINAL: FullfigRIMaam

Thank you KittinSol.   I've been going through a lot at home, so trying to stay away from serious discussions.    M


In that case, you dropped by on the most relaxed convo on the boards  .

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RE: There isn't such a thing as 'races' in humanity. - 8/3/2007 1:00:05 PM   
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RE: There isn't such a thing as 'races' in humanity. - 8/3/2007 1:55:44 PM   
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ORIGINAL: seeksfemslave

First to DomKen: yes I send out the same response, it is still a cricket lol  It is established beyond all doubt that existing species can change. There is not a shred of evidence that they change into new species, unless you make narrow self serving definitions of what constitutes a species.

To Thompson: It is true that I tend to be blunt in my appraisal of certain "racial" groups but I only do that to counterbalance the willfully dishonest PC attitudes that are presented as  "correct" in today's political climate. I am not a Little Englander or a my "country/race/social class right or wrong type" and I know that European history in particular is blood soaked in the extreme and tells a story of  vicious, social/class based discrimination and religious persecution.

None of that alters my views on the failures starkly and horrendously exposed in Africa today.
I am 100% in favour of Africans ruling themselves and I am 100% against trying to rationalise their  failure to sensibly do so.



Seeks:
How do the countries of Africa differ in substance from many countries in Europe in their inability to govern themselves effectively.  If you would look at each and compare it to any country in Europe that had similar circumstances you will find similar results.
thompson

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RE: There isn't such a thing as 'races' in humanity. - 8/3/2007 2:07:49 PM   
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ORIGINAL: CuriousLord

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ORIGINAL: Zensee

I might ask you to stop taking my own words, removing them from their context and pretending they support something resembling a witty retort. I won't actually ask because that would be akin to taking a beloved treat away from a child. I am a sadist but I am not cruel.


And you say you're not being emotional. =/

PS- I'd like more intelligent people to become consistently available for such discussions on threads. So, yeah, when you say stupid things like this, it does bug me. You're one less person with a voice.


i.e. you are going to ignore me because I disagree with you in an effective manner and call you on your bullshit.

As long as you keep pulling cheap semantic antics and putting words in my mouth (and the mouths of anyone else who has given you the benefit of their attention) while ignoring the plainly spoken ones I have actually offered, you can pretty much be assured that the supply of "intelligent people" willing to engage you seriously will continue to dry up.


Z.


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