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RE: "Comming out" to one's doctor...advice pl... - 8/6/2007 11:55:37 AM

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either I have the wrong idea of what traction is (and it is quite possible) or I have gotten both at the same time

the treatment I got after a bad car accident was a rigid neck collar on a backboard strap across my forhead, the collar, chest hips upper legs lower legs and hands strapped down.

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RE: "Comming out" to one's doctor...advice pl... - 8/6/2007 12:35:32 PM

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On the Dom/me side of the coin,I made sure My Doc knew.
Being a Pro I have had the shots to help prevent Hep B,plus I do a yearly physical and get tested for all STD's just to be on the safe side.

I think its important to be honest with your Doctor and if you cant look for another one,or maybe talk to the nurse,she maybe able to help break the ice.

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RE: "Comming out" to one's doctor...advice pl... - 8/6/2007 1:52:04 PM

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the treatment I got after a bad car accident was a rigid neck collar on a backboard strap across my forhead, the collar, chest hips upper legs lower legs and hands strapped down.

That's just immobilization. They really don't want any chance of you shifting position while moving you. If there was need to board you in the first place, the last thing anyone wants to do is bend or torque part of the spine while another part is anchored to the backboard. That's all bad.

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RE: "Comming out" to one's doctor...advice pl... - 8/6/2007 2:46:24 PM

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and for the second time on one thread I stand corrected. (I got to do better...) I thought the collar was considered traction. guess we all know that I am not a doctor or a lawyer

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RE: "Comming out" to one's doctor...advice pl... - 8/6/2007 2:58:49 PM

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RE: "Comming out" to one's doctor...advice pl... - 8/6/2007 3:04:16 PM

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no arguement there.

Enough of the thread hijacking so I can learn stuff, back to the original topic...

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RE: "Comming out" to one's doctor...advice pl... - 8/6/2007 5:11:44 PM

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on behalf of megan who is away visiting extended family for a week I would like to thank everyone for their opinions, thoughts and support. You people are truely great sources of reference... So from the bottom of my dark sadistic heart, thank you for helping my girl with her question...

Mike,

PS: Sassy I heard about a new DV law on the books for our state, that says people who are not directly involved can report DV sinarios... I can see if I can find link that was passed to me threw another kinkster here in maine...

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RE: "Comming out" to one's doctor...advice pl... - 8/6/2007 8:46:14 PM

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We exist, and as long as it is not abuse they don’t care. Just don’t go to a psychiatrist. They all seam to think it is just abuse.

I think you are confusing psychologists and psychiatrists.
The former are much more likely to do so than the latter, in my experience.
Psychiatrists tend to be more doctor-like: if it's not a Problem™, it's not a problem.
Of course, some years ago, the situation was rather different in this regard.
But right now, it does not seem to be so.

Any decent psychiatrist knows that these are so-called "variant normal" sexual and relationship preferences, and will not consider it abuse unless it is clearly taking a toll on the sub/slave in question, nor will they issue a diagnosis unless the behaviour is pretty much out of control (i.e. compulsive masochism, etc.), as the DSM is pretty clear on this in its modern revision.

If you go by reasonable standards of consent, then there is really nothing for them to pick at.

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RE: "Comming out" to one's doctor...advice pl... - 8/7/2007 4:42:33 AM

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quote:

ORIGINAL: Aswad

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ORIGINAL: KiandPhoenix

We exist, and as long as it is not abuse they don’t care. Just don’t go to a psychiatrist. They all seam to think it is just abuse.

I think you are confusing psychologists and psychiatrists.
The former are much more likely to do so than the latter, in my experience.
Psychiatrists tend to be more doctor-like: if it's not a Problem™, it's not a problem.
Of course, some years ago, the situation was rather different in this regard.
But right now, it does not seem to be so.

Any decent psychiatrist knows that these are so-called "variant normal" sexual and relationship preferences, and will not consider it abuse unless it is clearly taking a toll on the sub/slave in question, nor will they issue a diagnosis unless the behaviour is pretty much out of control (i.e. compulsive masochism, etc.), as the DSM is pretty clear on this in its modern revision.

If you go by reasonable standards of consent, then there is really nothing for them to pick at.

Meh. Depends on the school of though the practitioner subscribes to. The average Cognitive-Behavioural psychologist won't give a rat's ass about a client's kinks unless the client worries that its unhealthy or maladaptive. A Humanist probably won't care either. A Psychodynamic psychologist or Psychoanalyst, on the other hand, will probably think there's something wrong and try to "fix" it, but they're just neo-Freudian idiots anyway.

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RE: "Comming out" to one's doctor...advice pl... - 8/7/2007 5:51:25 AM

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ORIGINAL: Phin

and for the second time on one thread I stand corrected. (I got to do better...) I thought the collar was considered traction. guess we all know that I am not a doctor or a lawyer

Traction is when weight is added to hold something in place.

On the topic of psychologists versus psychiatrists, really there is no difference other than the fact one can prescribe meds. The other does not. They all have their own internal ideas. If they don't consider kink good then they will consider it abuse.
If they understand, it would be ok with them.
We are all different beings and have different beliefs.

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RE: "Comming out" to one's doctor...advice pl... - 8/7/2007 6:58:49 AM

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Again I'm afraid that everyone is confusing Dom/me with top.
It's a constant problem for me.
I'm a Domme ie I make the rules.
I'm a sadist and a masochist. ie I indulge in S/m as a top and a bottom. Well I would if I had a sub.
Also there is a difference between kinky sex and BDSM. Having bruises/ marks after a kinky sex session has got nothing to do with BDSM. No wonder the health professionals are confused when a lot of people who practice this don't have a clue.
Not a lot of point in telling any doctor unless you really go into details. It's no good expecting them to be a mind reader.
I told my GP that I am a Domme because I was told to by the investigating manager from work. I think she thought that he would help her with her dilema as to what to do with me. They didn't help so she made sure I got the sack. If I had told them how ill I was I wouldn't have. However I was determined not to have them think I was ill because of BDSM because I wasn't. I was emotionally ill due to non consensual abuse. Maybe a psychiatrist could help but I wasn't going to take the risk of being judged mentally ill and sectioned under the mental health act. ECT is still practiced in England non-consensually I think.
What we do is risky. Isn't that the whole point? If it wasn't would we enjoy it as much? However there is a difference between risk and down right stupidity. To assess risk one needs knowledge. Just because someone else can do an activity safely doesn't mean everyone can. Both top and bottom can be harmed by an activity so in my opinion they should do the risk assessment together. It's up to the Dom/me if you are in a D/s relationship to make sure they use the subs knowledge when doing the risk assessment. Let's face it it's in their interest to help. Unless of course they just want to lie back and enjoy it and think that it's impossible for one human being to really harm another. All I can say to that is get real.

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RE: "Comming out" to one's doctor...advice pl... - 8/7/2007 7:14:20 AM

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ORIGINAL: lateralist1

Not a lot of point in telling any doctor unless you really go into details. It's no good expecting them to be a mind reader.
I told my GP that I am a Domme because I was told to by the investigating manager from work. I think she thought that he would help her with her dilema as to what to do with me. They didn't help so she made sure I got the sack. If I had told them how ill I was I wouldn't have. However I was determined not to have them think I was ill because of BDSM because I wasn't. I was emotionally ill due to non consensual abuse. Maybe a psychiatrist could help but I wasn't going to take the risk of being judged mentally ill and sectioned under the mental health act. ECT is still practiced in England non-consensually I think.

That sort of thinking went away...I want to say about 30 year's ago. BDSM does not and has not for about 30 year's mean you are mentally ill by any stretch of the imagination. Ideas have evolved so much since then.

Now a general practicioner may not understand. But any psychiatrist or psychologist should in today's day and age. YET, there are still the ones out there who will judge. That is why you find someone kink friendly.
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RE: "Comming out" to one's doctor...advice pl... - 8/7/2007 8:18:16 AM

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ORIGINAL: Phin

and for the second time on one thread I stand corrected. (I got to do better...) I thought the collar was considered traction. guess we all know that I am not a doctor or a lawyer

Nope. Cervical Traction would be if we drilled holes in your skull, affixed a HALO, then cabled weights off the end of the bed on a pulley system. That's sorta extreme LOL

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RE: "Comming out" to one's doctor...advice pl... - 8/7/2007 8:50:50 AM

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NovelApproach,

Quite agree.

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ORIGINAL: sub4hire

On the topic of psychologists versus psychiatrists, really there is no difference other than the fact one can prescribe meds. The other does not. They all have their own internal ideas. If they don't consider kink good then they will consider it abuse.

There is also a difference in educational background, and how intelligent you need to be to become one. Intelligence is positively correlated with openmindedness, as showed in the course of the research derived from the Big Five project. And they also end up with more patients that have real problems (e.g. schizophrenia, rapid-cycling bipolar, and so forth; stuff that doesn't respond to psychology), so they tend to get a bit more perspective.

Your experiences may vary. In my extensive encounters with both professions, there is a distinction, but it doesn't apply to all individuals in a group.

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RE: "Comming out" to one's doctor...advice pl... - 8/8/2007 5:45:13 PM

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Nope. Cervical Traction would be if we drilled holes in your skull, affixed a HALO, then cabled weights off the end of the bed on a pulley system. That's sorta extreme LOL

that is not extreame... it goes a step beyond extreame.

what the hell would require that? Do I realy want to know?

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RE: "Comming out" to one's doctor...advice pl... - 8/8/2007 7:20:27 PM

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the alternative could be far worse.
it's usually used in the case of spinal trauma, cervical fractures that could result in spinal cord trauma, and the like.

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RE: "Comming out" to one's doctor...advice pl... - 8/9/2007 2:15:38 AM

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Around here it is both psychologists and psychiatrists.

In responce to what kind of injury, she was drugged at work through a drink and her coworkers dropped her off. She was violent, and I had to take her in and get it cleaned out of her system. That is the short version. She does not remember it, but she picked fights with the nurses and security. Having me there allowed them to use me to keep her calm and restrained, even when she could slip the restraints.

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RE: "Comming out" to one's doctor...advice pl... - 8/9/2007 1:54:58 PM

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(fast reply) I came out to my doc when i was diagnosed with HPV because i wanted to explain how i got it after 35 years of marriage at the time. He is about my age and he told me his new g/f (his wife passed away a few years ago) loves to be bound and spanked LOL.

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RE: "Comming out" to one's doctor...advice pl... - 8/9/2007 6:33:53 PM

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Nope. Cervical Traction would be if we drilled holes in your skull, affixed a HALO, then cabled weights off the end of the bed on a pulley system. That's sorta extreme LOL

that is not extreame... it goes a step beyond extreame.

what the hell would require that? Do I realy want to know?

a broken neck. anything up in the c-spine area, till the fractures could be stabilized.

my best friend's mom broke her neck and a couple fractures down her spine in a rollover accident our senior year....she was in the brace and halo for about 6 months. she made a full recovery....the two horses in the trailer didnt make it.

all because some fool couldnt wait till he got home to read the girlie magazine, driving down a road with many curves.

kitten

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RE: "Comming out" to one's doctor...advice pl... - 8/10/2007 12:56:29 AM

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Isn't there a list of kink-friendly professionals floating around here somewhere?

Google BDSM-friendly professionals, or else Kink aware professionals. See what comes up. Maybe there is one (or more) in your state that is a physician. If so, maybe switch doctors, so you can go to them? Or, what has already been said about telling your doctor.

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