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Dogs kill man... - 8/4/2007 3:23:34 PM   
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Dogs belonging to Mission: Impossible star Ving Rhames attacked and killed a live-in caretaker at the actor's Los Angeles home yesterday, police said.  The caretaker, whose name was not released by authorities, was found dead on the front lawn of Rhames' gated home in an expensive Brentwood neighbourhood, covered in dog bites, an LA police spokesman said.

Several large dogs were running loose on the property when police responded to the scene shortly after 7.15am (2.15am NZT) and animal control officers took three huge bull mastiffs and an English bulldog into custody.

"It appeared that the person suffered a number of injuries as a result of the dog mauling," Sergeant Lee Sands said. "There were numerous dog bites all over his body, but the exact cause of death is pending the coroner's ruling."  Sands said four dogs, the largest weighing nearly 90 kg; [almost 200#] were being quarantined as part of an investigation into the attack. 

He said it was not yet clear how many of the dogs had taken part in the mauling or why they had turned on the caretaker. The victim, who worked for Rhames for two years and lived on the property, was pronounced dead at the scene.

Television pictures showed the body being removed from the scene, covered in a blanket. Neighbours said that they had never seen signs of aggression from the dogs.

Representatives for Rhames, who is out of the country shooting a film, had no immediate comment. The 46-year-old actor is best-known for starring alongside Tom Cruise in all three Mission: Impossible films.  Rhames has a long list of film and television credits, winning a Golden Globe and Emmy nomination for starring as Don King in a 1997 TV movie about the flamboyant boxing promoter.

The actor discussed dogs during a 1999 interview with the Los Angeles Times, describing a 1-year-old Fila Brasileiro (Brazilian Mastiff) he owned at the time as having been bred to guard slaves.  "It was the only dog they found that had the temperament to guard a slave," Rhames said in the interview. "It could be around you every day, but if you tried to run away ... "
http://www.nzherald.co.nz/section/2/story.cfm?c_id=2&objectid=10455873


My question is WHY do people keep dogs like this?  I would say it doesn’t make a weenie any bigger or a person taller or badder……….but I’d come off like a bigot. 
 
Oh, and that last paragraph that I made bold... interesting, huh?
 
Fila Brasileiro Mastiffs: Here is what on breeder says about the breed: 

At anywhere from 2 - 5 months of age you will notice that your Fila does not like strangers. You do not teach him this it is bred into him. He will only make up to people that he feels you trust.

Some breeders breed the Fila to have a temperament in which they say is more like the original Fila Brasileiro temperament. One breeder who claims to breed to the original Fila type states, "You cannot socialize a Fila to like people. You can obedience train them so that you are in control, but you cannot socialize them to like people.   A Fila WILL attack a stranger. Period. If they have the proper temperament, they WILL.  "Ojeriza" translates to "Hatred and loathing of strangers". You do not make them mean and vicious... they ARE... and there is no doubt about it. They are not a dog for a person who has an active social life."  
(http://www.dogbreedinfo.com/filabrasileiro.htm)


These dogs are about four times bigger than pit bulls (a few of whom I know and find can be really sweet) and have repeatedly been in the news for killing people.  As an ex-breeder of German Shepherd Dogs, I distain the practice of labeling particular breeds as vicious…but gee.  I think I'd be way more careful with some breeds (including pit bull terriers and these big mastiffs...and treat them like loaded guns.
 
I understand people want to protect what they consider valuable...and dogs make great guards; but such dogs should be handled with care, never left alone with children, not allowed to pack-up and certainly never trusted as a good-ol'-boy.
 
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RE: Dogs kill man... - 8/4/2007 3:26:46 PM   
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i cant even put into words the emotions i felt as i read this.........holy shit

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RE: Dogs kill man... - 8/4/2007 3:29:03 PM   
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Shit happens.

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RE: Dogs kill man... - 8/4/2007 3:45:42 PM   
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RE: Dogs kill man... - 8/4/2007 3:47:06 PM   
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At times like this, when an otherwise docile animal suddenly turns a 180 and attacks someone, I wonder what the target did to set it off.  It could be something incredibly insignificant to the person, but it means the world to the animal.  In any case, this really does suck, both for the dogs and the caretaker.

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RE: Dogs kill man... - 8/4/2007 3:48:33 PM   
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I wonder if the man's family will sue Rhames?

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RE: Dogs kill man... - 8/4/2007 3:48:37 PM   
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RE: Dogs kill man... - 8/4/2007 3:50:16 PM   
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I wonder if the man's family will sue Rhames?


i would hope he would come off the money and offer the most sincere apology ever known to mankind......without being ordered to by a court.....id love to win the lottery too tho....

i love my rose colored glasses some days.....

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RE: Dogs kill man... - 8/4/2007 3:59:14 PM   
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I don't know about the money part, but I'm sure (or sure hope) he would apologize. As best we know, he didn't do anything wrong.

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RE: Dogs kill man... - 8/4/2007 4:02:59 PM   
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Not sure if it's a great idea, but, if I were a trainer, I'd always have two tazers on me around such dogs.  (One for each hand, incase they happen to lunge for the arm wielding one of them, or one arm is simply incapacitated.)  That, or a set of stun guns.  Something defensive, anyhow.

Shame what happened.

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RE: Dogs kill man... - 8/4/2007 4:05:11 PM   
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At times like this, when an otherwise docile animal suddenly turns a 180 and attacks someone, I wonder what the target did to set it off.  It could be something incredibly insignificant to the person, but it means the world to the animal.  In any case, this really does suck, both for the dogs and the caretaker. 


But, Tannie...that is exactly my point; these dogs are NOT otherwise docile animals.  They have been bred for hundreds of years to be vicious to strangers.  'Strangers' are anybody they have not specifically bonded with...perhaps including anybody they have not had in their lives since under six months of age! 
 
I own an Akbash Dog, a very large Livestock Guardian Dog (LGD) which is a 2000 year old breed; the result of a mastif-sighthound mix.  While my dog IS pretty much a good ol' boy who really likes people, I have seen him take another large dog down in seconds and keep a bear at bay all by himself.  I realize my dog is no where near as vicious as these Filas or Pitt Bulls can be...and as much as I love him I still wouldn't let him pack-up with several others and run loose, unsupervised, on my property.
 
Anyway, back to my topic at hand.  Why do people LIKE to keep vicious dogs?
 
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RE: Dogs kill man... - 8/4/2007 4:09:04 PM   
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He was caretaker for 2 years - hardly a stranger to the dogs.  i wonder why they attacked him?  i just don't see the purpose of keeping up a breed like this, all it means is eventually trouble down the line somewhere.

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RE: Dogs kill man... - 8/4/2007 4:11:02 PM   
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At times like this, when an otherwise docile animal suddenly turns a 180 and attacks someone, I wonder what the target did to set it off.  It could be something incredibly insignificant to the person, but it means the world to the animal.  In any case, this really does suck, both for the dogs and the caretaker. 


But, Tannie...that is exactly my point; these dogs are NOT otherwise docile animals.  They have been bred for hundreds of years to be vicious to strangers.  'Strangers' are anybody they have not specifically bonded with...perhaps including anybody they have not had in their lives since under six months of age! 
 
I own an Akbash Dog, a very large Livestock Guardian Dog (LGD) which is a 2000 year old breed; the result of a mastif-sighthound mix.  While my dog IS pretty much a good ol' boy who really likes people, I have seen him take another large dog down in seconds and keep a bear at bay all by himself.  I realize my dog is no where near as vicious as these Filas or Pitt Bulls can be...and as much as I love him I still wouldn't let him pack-up with several others and run loose, unsupervised, on my property.
 
Anyway, back to my topic at hand.  Why do people LIKE to keep vicious dogs?
 
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If only Mike Vick were here......
 
They seem them as protection, or a status symbol, I'd guess.

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RE: Dogs kill man... - 8/4/2007 4:12:37 PM   
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Animals behave as animals. It doesn't matter if they are domesticated or not. If your cat were bigger, he would eat you too.

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RE: Dogs kill man... - 8/4/2007 4:19:47 PM   
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I don't know about the money part, but I'm sure (or sure hope) he would apologize. As best we know, he didn't do anything wrong. 


I dunno, Level, keeping dogs like that around requires a specific mindset.  They truly ARE like leaving a loaded gun around.  Hopefully the man who tended the animals understood exactly their temperment, behavior and purpose in life.  If he had, though, I wonder why so many were loose at once?
 
I have read too many stories about guard- and attack-dogs turning on children, neighbors, passers by, owners...  Sometimes I wonder that it wouldn't be smart to require a special license to keep such animals. 
 
'Course...I'm probably still smarting at the incident that happened to me recently.  I was out walking my dog one evening and came upon an idiot I know walking two of his dogs.  Generally his pitt bull is off leash and fights with my dog through the fence whenever he happens by my home.  This time, the new pitt bull was on a leash...but a friendly little collie-mix was not.  I called to him to keep his dog close, as my dog is not always dog friendly...he ignored me.  As it turns out...the little dog was female and nothing bad happened.  He kept walking past and when several hundred feet away, the little dog came running back up at my dog.  I really did not want problems and this time yelled for the guy to call his damn dog!  Instead, he looked right at me and reached down to unclip his other dog.  I was in absolute shock!  Tell me unleashing a pitt bull in that fashion is not like shooting at somebody.  Ugg...it was scary as hell.  Thank god the second dog, which did run right up to my dog, was not as vicious as his other pitt.  I'm sure he was dissappointed.  I managed to get home without a dogfight.  Sheeshhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh
 
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RE: Dogs kill man... - 8/4/2007 4:28:17 PM   
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He was caretaker for 2 years - hardly a stranger to the dogs.  i wonder why they attacked him?  i just don't see the purpose of keeping up a breed like this, all it means is eventually trouble down the line somewhere. 


But again...this breed is different than most; these are NOT for the feint of heart.  Unlike most dogs, they are bred to mistrust anybody those with whom they've bonded at a very, very early age.  People don't 'get' that.  Hell, if the dog is too friendly they are considered 'at fault' with the breed!
 
Keeping these dogs as pets is extremely risky business; they will take absolute abuse from children in the family with whom they grow up...but can attack and kill their friends no problem!  Did you read the page about the dogs at the link I provided?
 
Yeah, a very, very sad story.

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RE: Dogs kill man... - 8/4/2007 4:39:37 PM   
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I don't know about the money part, but I'm sure (or sure hope) he would apologize. As best we know, he didn't do anything wrong. 


I dunno, Level, keeping dogs like that around requires a specific mindset.  They truly ARE like leaving a loaded gun around.  Hopefully the man who tended the animals understood exactly their temperment, behavior and purpose in life.  If he had, though, I wonder why so many were loose at once?
 
I have read too many stories about guard- and attack-dogs turning on children, neighbors, passers by, owners...  Sometimes I wonder that it wouldn't be smart to require a special license to keep such animals. 
 
'Course...I'm probably still smarting at the incident that happened to me recently.  I was out walking my dog one evening and came upon an idiot I know walking two of his dogs.  Generally his pitt bull is off leash and fights with my dog through the fence whenever he happens by my home.  This time, the new pitt bull was on a leash...but a friendly little collie-mix was not.  I called to him to keep his dog close, as my dog is not always dog friendly...he ignored me.  As it turns out...the little dog was female and nothing bad happened.  He kept walking past and when several hundred feet away, the little dog came running back up at my dog.  I really did not want problems and this time yelled for the guy to call his damn dog!  Instead, he looked right at me and reached down to unclip his other dog.  I was in absolute shock!  Tell me unleashing a pitt bull in that fashion is not like shooting at somebody.  Ugg...it was scary as hell.  Thank god the second dog, which did run right up to my dog, was not as vicious as his other pitt.  I'm sure he was dissappointed.  I managed to get home without a dogfight.  Sheeshhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh
 
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What an asshole!
 
Some think crap like that is "funny", or that they'll "show you"; they're playing with fire, though.

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RE: Dogs kill man... - 8/4/2007 10:20:52 PM   
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I love animals, as such I do not keep them. If I had a farm I would find a stray dog or two to help keep the herd, and I would feed them in return. I would let some cats into the barn to keep the mice down, and give them some milk.

That's it. This would be a symbiotic relationship. To own a living thing is wrong , period.

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RE: Dogs kill man... - 8/4/2007 10:51:24 PM   
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This story creeped me out too, and has made me feel a lot less respect for Ving Rhames, whom I admired as an actor before this.

I agree with you that there's something very weird about people who keep vicious dogs.

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RE: Dogs kill man... - 8/4/2007 10:57:59 PM   
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I love animals, as such I do not keep them. If I had a farm I would find a stray dog or two to help keep the herd, and I would feed them in return. I would let some cats into the barn to keep the mice down, and give them some milk.

That's it. This would be a symbiotic relationship. To own a living thing is wrong , period. 


Well, it's probably a good thing you don't keep animals.  If you had a farm, your stray dogs would not 'help keep the herd'; though they might stick around for the free food.  The cats would breed themselves cross-eyed and get diarrhea from the milk; is that any way to treat your pals?
 
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