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Phin -> RE: .why. (8/6/2007 3:46:14 PM)

you will not see 20 yr olds as airline pilots or sergeons because there is education that is required to do either of these jobs that is not avaliable at a younger age. In high school I had a friend that had piloted crop dusters with his father. I would rather have this 16 year old on the flight deck than a 50 year old that has the same experience as I do flying, witch is none. Do I think that the 16 yr old would make a great choice for an airline pilot? no, he had not had enough experience flying to entrust that many lives to him, but then neither has that 50 year old that has never sat in a pilot's seat



LATEXBABY64 -> RE: .why. (8/6/2007 3:46:52 PM)

and being a person of responsible. Mature intellectual recorse also takes training not which your going to find at twenty hello wake up people age does matter you want to talk the talk come on start comming up with hard core facts i can list tons of sites groups orgs people that support what i am saying



AquaticSub -> RE: .why. (8/6/2007 3:47:57 PM)

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ORIGINAL: LATEXBABY64

and being a person of responsible. Mature intellectual recorse also takes training not which your going to find at twenty hello wake up people age does matter you want to talk the talk come on start comming up with hard core facts i can list tons of sites groups orgs people that support what i am saying


Age doesn't equal maturity either. We see that displayed on these boards every day.



earthycouple -> RE: .why. (8/6/2007 3:49:07 PM)

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ORIGINAL: AquaticSub

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ORIGINAL: LATEXBABY64

and being a person of responsible. Mature intellectual recorse also takes training not which your going to find at twenty hello wake up people age does matter you want to talk the talk come on start comming up with hard core facts i can list tons of sites groups orgs people that support what i am saying


Age doesn't equal maturity either. We see that displayed on these boards every day.


and right in this very post, eh Aquatic? *S*



Phin -> RE: .why. (8/6/2007 3:49:48 PM)


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ORIGINAL: earthycouple

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ORIGINAL: AquaticSub

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ORIGINAL: LATEXBABY64

and being a person of responsible. Mature intellectual recorse also takes training not which your going to find at twenty hello wake up people age does matter you want to talk the talk come on start comming up with hard core facts i can list tons of sites groups orgs people that support what i am saying


Age doesn't equal maturity either. We see that displayed on these boards every day.


and right in this very post, eh Aquatic? *S*

I was thinking that myself



LATEXBABY64 -> RE: .why. (8/6/2007 3:51:18 PM)

I do not know if we were to play the percentages game. I think the odds would be in my favor of what doms would actually be good at 20 vs 50



TemptingNviceSub -> RE: .why. (8/6/2007 3:52:36 PM)

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ORIGINAL: Darcyandthedark

(with advance apology to LA for my poor and misleading title...)[;)]
 
Why do people have to proclaim - 'I have been in the 'lifestyle'[:'(] more years than you' shit that seems prevalent?
Why do people believe that more years = more knowledge?[&:]
Why do the white knights out there think we poor s-types need saving?[>:]
Why do some people think that new people need hand holding and cannot ask their own damn questions?[8|]
Why do things always happen in threes?[:-]
Why do I think this might end up in P&Rs?[:D]
 
This is a bdsm site that is based on individual beliefs/fetishes blah - no?  So why do people still have a sheep mentality?[X(]
 
Peace
the(whyaretheresomanystupidiconsinthispost).dark.
1) Because some to not want to be viewed as less than...of course I on the other hand announce it far and wide with my wee screen name..:0)
           2) Because as one gets older, we have to have something to brag about! 
           3) Because there are some submissives who do desire the "white knight" and it has perpetuated itself.
           4) Because many have that "parent" syndrome, and wish to save others from the mistaked they themselves have experienced.
           5) Murphys Law
           6) Seems you may be wrong on this.
           7) At the very core of humanity rests that "community" need and acceptance/which also is at war with the want to also be an individual within the any "community"
    ........theohsowiseyoda/Tempting..[:D]   



stef -> RE: .why. (8/6/2007 3:53:38 PM)

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ORIGINAL: LATEXBABY64

think it comes down to maturity and responsibility.

So it's not just age as you so vehemently claimed?

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thought process problem solving skills in test that has been proven. it is why you do not see commercial airline pilots at 20 or heart surgeons

You're really reaching now.  Answer my previous question, please.

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and being a person of responsible.

What??

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Mature intellectual recorse also takes training not which your going to find at twenty hello wake up people age does matter you want to talk the talk come on start comming up with hard core facts i can list tons of sites groups orgs people that support what i am saying

Let's have that ton of sites, shall we?  I hope they are more convincing than Gloria Brame's.

~stef



RCdc -> RE: .why. (8/6/2007 3:53:50 PM)

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ORIGINAL: LATEXBABY64

and being a person of responsible. Mature intellectual recorse also takes training not which your going to find at twenty hello wake up people age does matter you want to talk the talk come on start comming up with hard core facts i can list tons of sites groups orgs people that support what i am saying


I do not wish to come across as condecending Latex, but really - you brought up 'intellectual recorse'(which is spelt incorrectly) and you are a classic example of not having the same maturity as somene like LA or Aqua, who are both younger than yourself, but have a much more mature ability for debate than you have written here.  Your english is poor - which could be no fault of your own if you have writing difficulties - however your maturity should have taught you (if we are to use your examples) that you should be using a spell checker or take classes in improving your written skills - otherwise your examples just fall way short of your opinions.
 
Peace
the.dark.



AquaticSub -> RE: .why. (8/6/2007 3:54:23 PM)

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ORIGINAL: LATEXBABY64

I do not know if we were to play the percentages game. I think the odds would be in my favor of what doms would actually be good at 20 vs 50


Ahh... but that is percentages, leaving a percentage of those who are 20 are wiser. An older person is more likely to be experienced but it simply isn't a hard and fast rule with no exceptions, particularly in regards to BDSM experience.



RCdc -> RE: .why. (8/6/2007 3:58:25 PM)

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6) Seems you may be wrong on this.


Ach TemptingYoda... I can admit to being wrong occasionally...(but shhhh... don't broadcast it hey[;)])
Besides - there's still time for the godz to move it yet...[:D]
 
Peace
the.dark.



Emperor1956 -> RE: .why. (8/6/2007 4:25:03 PM)

FastReply.  With the assumption that .thedark. really meant to ask these questions and receive answers, and not serve as a springboard to bash those of us who have actually reached that half-century mark, consider:

One reason someone might tout his experience in WIIWD is that many submissives find a certain comfort in being in the hands of someone who has actually done "this" before.  This is not unique to submissives, of course.  I would  think most of us prefer to have someone with experience "work" on them, whether it be with a tattoo needle, a scissors or a proctoscope.

Another reason (although perhaps misguided) is that in my experience as a Dominant who has been active in a community for a while, you learn there are a lot of REALLY BAD people out there;  I'm talking about completely inept, dangerous jerks who can (and sometimes do) seriously damage other people.  So I think it is natural for a person who believes they are not of that mold to remark on their experience.  The flaw is (1) that belief can very quickly tip over into the "I'll save you, subbie" model if the motivations are not clear and (2) some of the worst so-called Dominants I know are long-time hangers on in the community.

All that said, I would hope that if someone is attracted to me it is for more than the fact that I've thrown a whip or two in the past, but it still makes sense that someone with experience might in fact be more desirable than someone without.

E.



ChainedExistence -> RE: .why. (8/6/2007 4:29:23 PM)

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ORIGINAL: Darcyandthedark

I do not wish to come across as condecending Latex, but really - you brought up 'intellectual recorse'(which is spelt incorrectly) and you are a classic example of not having the same maturity as somene like LA or Aqua, who are both younger than yourself, but have a much more mature ability for debate than you have written here.  Your english is poor - which could be no fault of your own if you have writing difficulties - however your maturity should have taught you (if we are to use your examples) that you should be using a spell checker or take classes in improving your written skills - otherwise your examples just fall way short of your opinions.
 
Peace
the.dark.

 
It's condescending with an extra s.
 
The word "English" should be capitalized since it refers to the language of a particular county
 
In America, we use "spelled" as the past tense of spell, but since you are British, I guess you get a pass on using spelt.
 
 I like Older Doms, not because they are necessarily more experienced, but because they have a cultural memory similar to mine. I like to sit around recalling old candy bars, television shows, toys, etc with someone near my age rather than with someone who wasn't even born when those things existed. That's simply a matter of preference on my part, and I don't expect my views to be shared by everyone. Also, I like my authority figures to be near my age or older...again, a preference. Even if Mr. 20 year old Dom has been doing it for years, I'd still prefer the older less experienced one simply because I am in it for more than the D/s.



LATEXBABY64 -> RE: .why. (8/6/2007 4:37:30 PM)

did we not cover this about the whole spelling thingy... that gets old come get off it... when comes to responsibility iam sorry the facts are there.. and stef  the other reason is it is about life experience to know right from wrong there is this movie with Morgan freeman... i love this movie anyway he is a principle of high school with issues. he grabs this kid and says i wish i had two cents for every punk kid who t hought they knew more then those that have came before them.. history will always tell it the way it is  treally  is all about experience life experience at 20 na i am sorry just do not qualify..



AquaticSub -> RE: .why. (8/6/2007 4:48:03 PM)

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ORIGINAL: LATEXBABY64

did we not cover this about the whole spelling thingy... that gets old come get off it... when comes to responsibility iam sorry the facts are there.. and stef  the other reason is it is about life experience to know right from wrong there is this movie with Morgan freeman... i love this movie anyway he is a principle of high school with issues. he grabs this kid and says i wish i had two cents for every punk kid who t hought they knew more then those that have came before them.. history will always tell it the way it is  treally  is all about experience life experience at 20 na i am sorry just do not qualify..


Life experience isn't BDSM experience.

It just isn't. Being 50 and having a ton of life experience doesn't mean you know how to use a singletail and not rip off chunks of skin. It doesn't mean you know how to use a bullwhip on someone safely. It doesn't mean you know to watch for circulation being cut off in a suspended or tied submissive. It doesn't mean you know how to do needle play safely.

Life experience doesn't automatically teach you anything about BDSM. You have to learn it. And not all 50 year olds have learned it. I know folks in their 20s who do know this stuff because they bothered to be responsible and learn how to do it.



LATEXBABY64 -> RE: .why. (8/6/2007 5:16:55 PM)

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ORIGINAL: AquaticSub

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ORIGINAL: LATEXBABY64

did we not cover this about the whole spelling thingy... that gets old come get off it... when comes to responsibility iam sorry the facts are there.. and stef  the other reason is it is about life experience to know right from wrong there is this movie with Morgan freeman... i love this movie anyway he is a principle of high school with issues. he grabs this kid and says i wish i had two cents for every punk kid who t hought they knew more then those that have came before them.. history will always tell it the way it is  treally  is all about experience life experience at 20 na i am sorry just do not qualify..


Life experience isn't BDSM experience.

It just isn't. Being 50 and having a ton of life experience doesn't mean you know how to use a singletail and not rip off chunks of skin. It doesn't mean you know how to use a bullwhip on someone safely. It doesn't mean you know to watch for circulation being cut off in a suspended or tied submissive. It doesn't mean you know how to do needle play safely.

Life experience doesn't automatically teach you anything about BDSM. You have to learn it. And not all 50 year olds have learned it. I know folks in their 20s who do know this stuff because they bothered to be responsible and learn how to do it.


we are talking about people in the lifestyle have been in 
for crying out loud there is more to bdsm then just sceneing.. or did you forget the part of bonding and growth with your sub or dom domme.. and what about mental conditioning  mmm k . your going to have a full understanding and dynamics of mental health.. at 20 give me a break.. no way you have not raised a kid you have no clue what her or his head space is going to be.. where she has been or done i am sorry but no. there are to many variables in a subbies mind for someone at twenty to deal with. for effective growth...



AquaticSub -> RE: .why. (8/6/2007 5:25:50 PM)

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ORIGINAL: LATEXBABY64

we are talking about people in the lifestyle have been in 
for crying out loud there is more to bdsm then just sceneing.. or did you forget the part of bonding and growth with your sub or dom domme.. and what about mental conditioning  mmm k . your going to have a full understanding and dynamics of mental health.. at 20 give me a break.. no way you have not raised a kid you have no clue what her or his head space is going to be.. where she has been or done i am sorry but no. there are to many variables in a subbies mind for someone at twenty to deal with. for effective growth...


Most people don't have a full understanding of mental health at age 70. Bonding and the other factors of a healthy relationship simply can not be measured by a yardstick that will also apply to other people by a given age. At age 22, I have been in many relationships and know a great deal about what makes or breaks a relationship. A 30 year old woman who chose to put off dating while in college and then didn't date while getting her career set up lacks the knowledge that I, her junior, has.

And if you can't be a dominant at 20, then there is no way in hell someone should be a slave at 20. If the 20 year old dominant can't take control then there is no way a 20 year old can fully asess the dangers and perils of giving themselves over to someone. In some ways the submissive must be the wiser of two, for  the submissive has to decide if the dominant is full of shit, if they are safe, or if they are just waiting to get the sub tied up and kill them. And that is a very hard trick that even 50 year olds can't do, as evidenced by all the complaining threads here.

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LATEXBABY64 -> RE: .why. (8/6/2007 5:52:42 PM)

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ORIGINAL: AquaticSub

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ORIGINAL: LATEXBABY64

we are talking about people in the lifestyle have been in 
for crying out loud there is more to bdsm then just sceneing.. or did you forget the part of bonding and growth with your sub or dom domme.. and what about mental conditioning  mmm k . your going to have a full understanding and dynamics of mental health.. at 20 give me a break.. no way you have not raised a kid you have no clue what her or his head space is going to be.. where she has been or done i am sorry but no. there are to many variables in a subbies mind for someone at twenty to deal with. for effective growth...


Most people don't have a full understanding of mental health at age 70. Bonding and the other factors of a healthy relationship simply can not be measured by a yardstick that will also apply to other people by a given age. At age 22, I have been in many relationships and know a great deal about what makes or breaks a relationship. A 30 year old woman who chose to put off dating while in college and then didn't date while getting her career set up lacks the knowledge that I, her junior, has.

And if you can't be a dominant at 20, then there is no way in hell someone should be a slave at 20. If the 20 year old dominant can't take control then there is no way a 20 year old can fully asess the dangers and perils of giving themselves over to someone. In some ways the submissive must be the wiser of two, for  the submissive has to decide if the dominant is full of shit, if they are safe, or if they are just waiting to get the sub tied up and kill them. And that is a very hard trick that even 50 year olds can't do, as evidenced by all the complaining threads here.

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you brought up a valid point about a submissive it is why
how many icons do you know in the lifestyle that teach at events that are twenty who many lifestyle 20 year i think it goes like this if your going to be great  you work at it.. there are two types of people in the world those that do those that sit on their and complain..



MasterMike04103 -> RE: .why. (8/6/2007 5:54:01 PM)

I think part of the answer to the questions above is simple ego stroking, its hard to keep an erection of ones ego without stroking it now and then. As far as experince, I agree with some of you that age and years in mean dick in todays age of education and internet... I feel as a young adult, that I have as much skill and education as others in my community who have been at it for as long as I have been alive because of the present day resourses and the ability to sit here and learn from others around the world. 

To answer the sheep comment, I think phin said it best, people are idiots. Like I have told people in my community, at my job and in social circles, I am not out to make brownie points or fit in... I am here to be who I am and if one doesn't like it, they can kiss muh arse



AquaticSub -> RE: .why. (8/6/2007 5:59:21 PM)

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ORIGINAL: LATEXBABY64

you brought up a valid point about a submissive it is why
how many icons do you know in the lifestyle that teach at events that are twenty who many lifestyle 20 year i think it goes like this if your going to be great  you work at it.. there are two types of people in the world those that do those that sit on their and complain..


I don't know the ages of any people who have written the books I have read off-hand. However, if someone at 20 had the experience so that they were asked to teach, was teaching and what they were teaching made sense and matched up with what those who also have a lot of experience are saying, why wouldn't I listen to them?

Someone isn't likely to be an expert at 20, nobody is saying that. What we are saying is that some people start early and if you start having d/s relationships when you are 18 you will have more experience with d/s relationships and with the lifestyle when you are 20 then someone at 50 who is just coming in. Vanilla relationships really don't prepare you for the d/s dynamic. Having a lot of experience  with relationships helps, but it's still a lot to learn.

I have a great deal of respect for those in this lifestyle who are older then me and have the experience to match. I have learned a great deal from them and I hope that I will continue to learn from them. But I have also learned a great deal from people my own age who started very early.



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