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Equal Education For All - 8/17/2007 9:26:48 AM

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I have a son with autism as many people already know. When I was growing up I had alot of emotional issues and was in a special class to deal with them for a few years- now, most public schools here do not have the means to teach special needs children within their schools..why is this? I think every school should be equipped to meet the needs of ALL their children...

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RE: Equal Education For All - 8/17/2007 9:37:54 AM

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You can thank George Bush for this one with his No Child Left Behind Program.
It sounds good on paper.........but it gives all children the same standards and education instead of targeting individual needs and varying education accordingly. The plan promotes mainstreaming all kids and considers this approach as leaving no child behind.........But this plan totally leaves all children behind. All children are accountable for the same levels on standardized testing. Their (the schools) money and grants stem from these test results..........All schools will hit their plato and the results will teeter. The plan does not take into account the various reasons why a child does not make 100% on these standardized tests. Check you states school board site and verify this if need be.

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RE: Equal Education For All - 8/17/2007 9:41:20 AM

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There are alot of things that I would like to discuss with our president but a laundry list this morning would wear me out...

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RE: Equal Education For All - 8/17/2007 9:46:34 AM

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Well, put him on speed dial

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RE: Equal Education For All - 8/17/2007 12:55:06 PM

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Even prior to the "left behind" program, school budgets seem to become tighter every year. My sister-in-law is a special ed teacher for a public school system and years ago her position was eliminated due to budget constrictions. Oddly enough, it was while Bush is in office that her school district got enough funding for her to get her job back. I'm not sure that had anything to do with the current administration, though.

In any case, she is a gift to children and I'm glad she has the opportunity to teach those little ones who need it.

Where I am living, the public school system has programs to help youngsters with autism, asbergers, and other issues. So perhaps it depends on the district you are in and its funding?

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RE: Equal Education For All - 8/17/2007 6:53:25 PM

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Considering the huge range of issues a child can have, I've always thought it to be a waste of money (and redundant) for a school board to have extra staff/facilities for every issue available at every school.
Combining the resources for special needs kids would seem logical and fiscally responsible. Spreading the resources too thinly could mean that the children who need extra resources would not have them available at all. I'd rather my kid take an extra bus to get help, than not get help.
I've also seen schools go so overboard with inclusion, that regular kids' education is suffering. As an example, I've seen an extremely mentally disabled boy who wore diapers, couldn't communicate and constantly made a very loud *EEEEHHHH* noise placed in a regular classroom. How the teacher could teach or the students could learn was beyond me. The disabled boy didn't seem to get much out of it either.

My nephew has Aspergers, so I know what a challenge it has been for him to go through the school system. He's finally in a place that's helping him. I hope your child gets the help he needs. Autism is very challenging, and exhausting.

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RE: Equal Education For All - 8/17/2007 7:02:33 PM

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I understand that autism aint the same, but half the special needs kids need a good spanking and less TV.

I have OCD, ADD, and prolly a nice cocktail of other stuff. At home, I sat through my dinners, did my homework, and watched an hourt of TV per day. At school, I was expected of my parents to behave.

It was never, and never will be, an excuse for me. To expect schools to do the job of parents is a joke.

Special needs classes will disappear more and more as more special needs are found.

Pharma calls it progress, I call it the gradual enslavement of society. Semantics, really.

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RE: Equal Education For All - 8/17/2007 7:42:26 PM

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Public schools are mandated to provide the LRE (least restrictive environment) to students with disabilities. You may want to do further research on LRE and inclusion To not do this places the school in violation of federal laws.

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RE: Equal Education For All - 8/17/2007 8:22:13 PM

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I'm glad I went to school when I did. Ok nothing was perfect but we were responsible for ourselves, we (mostly) behaved in school, I was placed with kids at or around my level and I actually learned.

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RE: Equal Education For All - 8/18/2007 12:46:52 PM

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I'm glad I went to school when I did. Ok nothing was perfect but we were responsible for ourselves, we (mostly) behaved in school, I was placed with kids at or around my level and I actually learned.

LS

Back when I went to school kids were expelled for behavior we now know is caused by medical issues such as ADHD. Kids with physical handicaps were not accepted and those with mental/emotional needs were deliberately set up to fail be pushed to drop out or be expelled.

It's easy to teach if you only teach the ones who can learn with minimal help.

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RE: Equal Education For All - 8/19/2007 3:26:03 AM

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My son has asperger's syndrome. He had a great special ed teacher all through elementary school, and did pretty well. Middle school was a nightmare. The special ed classes were a dumping ground for kids with behavioral issues, and the teachers did not make any effort to learn about my son's condition, although I presented each of them with a packet of info about asperger's. They just treated him as a kid with ADHD, and shuffled him to the back of the room. In between classes, he was bullied and sometimes attacked by other "normal" students in the hallways between classes.

I found a tiny private school that specializes in kids with varied learning handicaps, and the director and teachers were very familiar with asperger's. My son's stress level dropped immensely after changing to this school.

I think the failure of that particular middle school's special ed program was caused by ignorance, laziness, and lack of caring about helping students as individuals. I will never send him back to a public school, not unless I was fortunate enough to find one that actually had a functional special ed system.

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RE: Equal Education For All - 8/19/2007 7:45:24 AM

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My son is in a special school that has only 8 students in the classroom which helps because he gets alot of one/ one attention. As for too much tv- we went 3 months with no cable in the house and he doesn't have any real interest in television what so ever so that's not an issue. I do my job as a parent- i read to him and we take alot of nature walks which gives him the time to express what he's feeling to me. Enviroment can play a role but it's not everything ..genetics- we all are different and it's noone to blame.

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RE: Equal Education For All - 8/19/2007 10:58:09 AM

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Kris
you're very lucky to have him in that classroom. I guess I am not sure how anyone can expect that every staff member at every school can be an expert on, and have resources for, every issue that every child can have.
My nephew was raised in Phoenix, and misdiagnosed as ADHD when we really think he has Asperger's. He got no help because of the misdiagosis. He got kicked out, bullied, picked on etc. He's finally back here, in a school that can help him. He's very lucky to have that, as well.
A diagnosis by a psychiatrist isn't helpful if it's the wrong one..grr.

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RE: Equal Education For All - 8/22/2007 2:51:37 AM

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My son also was misdiagnosed as ADHD for several years before the correct diagnosis of Asperger's was reached. Since few in the school system are familiar with Asperger's, I printed up an information packet about the syndrome and gave one to each of his teachers in middle school (he had 5 teachers per day; that is a recipe for disaster in itself, for an aspie child).

First parent teacher conference......everything on the list of the teacher's complaints about his school work was a symptom of the Asperger's, and had been addressed in the information packet. Not one of them had bothered to read the info or be informed about the child in their care. Once again, I gave them the info, and discussed the learning issues he faced and the help he needed.

Second parent/teacher conference, same scenario. They were blaming him because he was not responding to their teaching techniques; but their techniques were based upon ADHD children, which did not help him and had little relevance for his situation. AGAIN I gave them the information packet, and asked them to read it.

Third parent/teacher conference: I printed up a pop quiz about Asperger's syndrome and brought it with me, to see if any of them had bothered to learn about his diagnosis. They failed miserably, and I pulled him out of that school the next day.

Although each child's special needs may not be completely accomodated in a special ed class, the minimum that you can expect would be that the teachers would at least bother to read information hand delivered to them, in order to have the basic knowledge to help the child, or at least, to avoid harming him.

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RE: Equal Education For All - 8/22/2007 5:40:05 AM

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wow, i found that to be a massive failure of the special ed department at your son's school...
i am not that far out of the public school system (24 now, dropped out at 17 so i could go to college) and once they got me into special ed for emotional reasons...i was so far ahead of my class mates on paper they couldn't figure out why i was failing...i did a lot better...it was some where in the time period when i figured out what i had to do to get in school suspension without getting suspended 3 out of the 5 days of the school week, i never told my mother, they never called home...that they did psychological testing and went oh you're fucked in the head, we have this new program, and you can go to this little classroom any time you want to...its not ISS, its not for the "retards"...its just a room where you can chill and do your work...i spent the rest of my middle school years in there...then they tried to put me in general pop in highschool...i found the equivallent room eventually...would have saved us all a lot of trouble if they had just sent me there...only two classes i really needed to go to were gym and science, and science only for the labs, i taught myself the rest of the cirriculum anyway...but anyway...
it can work out...and us kids can figure out a way for it to work...i dropped out half way thru my senior year and went to college..it was soooo much better
my cousin with asbergers just graduated highschool..and my aunt didn't kill him lol...
on my way home on the train from seeing Sir, the lady behind was talking about her grandson who was a high funtioning autistic who had an IQ of something like 170+...and was going into the 1st grade...they have him in the general population with an aide just for him...public schools can get it right....
good luck
don't give up...don't be afraid to try new things, and don't be afraid to fight for what works....wish i had had someone who did so for me...well i do now, so its cool

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RE: Equal Education For All - 8/22/2007 7:18:21 AM

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In NC where I live there is a shortage of special needs teachers. In one county alone 87 positions have gone unfilled for the start of the school year for special needs teachers. It's very sad and the children are the ones that suffer.

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RE: Equal Education For All - 8/22/2007 7:45:32 AM

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I'm glad I went to school when I did. Ok nothing was perfect but we were responsible for ourselves, we (mostly) behaved in school, I was placed with kids at or around my level and I actually learned.

LS

Back when I went to school kids were expelled for behavior we now know is caused by medical issues such as ADHD. Kids with physical handicaps were not accepted and those with mental/emotional needs were deliberately set up to fail be pushed to drop out or be expelled.
It's easy to teach if you only teach the ones who can learn with minimal help.

ADHD: Wouldnt this be better described as...
My parents have got very little idea how to bring up children and no idea at all of the need for firm fair consistant discipline. I live on chips (frenchfries) sweet drinks and hamburgers. which I enjoy OK?
When my behaviour becomes wild uncontrolled and irrational gullible self serving highly paid professionals then say I've got ADHD.

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RE: Equal Education For All - 8/22/2007 9:46:40 AM

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I'm glad I went to school when I did. Ok nothing was perfect but we were responsible for ourselves, we (mostly) behaved in school, I was placed with kids at or around my level and I actually learned.

LS

Back when I went to school kids were expelled for behavior we now know is caused by medical issues such as ADHD. Kids with physical handicaps were not accepted and those with mental/emotional needs were deliberately set up to fail be pushed to drop out or be expelled.
It's easy to teach if you only teach the ones who can learn with minimal help.

ADHD: Wouldnt this be better described as...
My parents have got very little idea how to bring up children and no idea at all of the need for firm fair consistant discipline. I live on chips (frenchfries) sweet drinks and hamburgers. which I enjoy OK?
When my behaviour becomes wild uncontrolled and irrational gullible self serving highly paid professionals then say I've got ADHD.

Wow. You've solved everything! To think of the years and time and money we wasted on evaluations and treatments. What a godsend you are! What is next? Tell the hearing impaired children to just sit at the front of the class and listen harder? Tell the kids with cerebral palsy to quit playing around with those crutches, and stand up and walk right? This should save the country millions on treatments. I am glad the HMOs have advisors on the forums for us parents who just don't have a clue.

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RE: Equal Education For All - 8/22/2007 10:17:24 AM

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I said nothing whatsoever about deafness, cerebral palsy or even the common cold for that matter. Pay attention missy and address the "ishew" lol

I offered an opinion which is almost certainly true, that ADHD is spurious as an identifiable mental aberration and is almost certainly the result of bad parenting.

If the cap fits you then wear it. OK ?

If you say how do you, ie me ,know then I will say that I have watched TV programmes where the parents are clueless and the children are very unhappy and running wild as a result. Such behavior can be turned around in a very short time. An almost certain indicator that nothing is basically wrong with the children

Such TV programmes would soon be the subject of public censure if they presented untruths distortions or deceptions.

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RE: Equal Education For All - 8/22/2007 10:31:56 AM

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If you say how do you, ie me ,know then I will say that I have watched TV programmes where the parents are clueless and the children are very unhappy and running wild as a result. Such behavior can be turned around in a very short time. An almost certain indicator that nothing is basically wrong with the children

Such TV programmes would soon be the subject of public censure if they presented untruths distortions or deceptions.

That reminds me of the TV commercials where someone from the sidelines steps in at an accident, and begins diagnosing and giving treatment instructions. The subject asks, "are you a doctor?" and the person says "No, but I DID stay at a Holiday Inn last night."

Watching a few programs (which most certainly can be slanted, biased, or innaccurate), does not really qualify you to make such a sweeping denouncement of a medical condition.

It has been documented on PET scanning, that the frontal lobe of children with ADHD has an abnormally low amount of neuronal activity, as well as often being underdeveloped in size. I am sure that many children have been misdiagnosed as ADHD when in fact they have other problems. And it has certainly been known to happen that teachers are sometimes prone to bump a difficult child into a special ed class, in order to get him off his/her hands. But that does not change the fact that for most diagnosed with ADHD, it is a condition that requires a lot of work for child, family, and teachers to cope with.

Oddly enough, the children of teachers and doctors have also sometimes been diagnosed with ADHD. If lack of knowledge of parenting was the root of the problem, you'd think that would not be happening.

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