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RE: Eradicating women. - 8/20/2007 3:05:40 PM

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Wow, that's an interesting question. My guess woud be yes (but I tend to think those kinds of yearnngs are biologically based).

But maybe not, since the culture would obviously make it painful for them to be female, maybe electing to be one via surgery would be seen as a stupid personal decision. Good question.

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RE: Eradicating women. - 8/20/2007 3:16:47 PM

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I don't mean to sound insensitive, and I believe this situation is pretty sick. But think of it from a logical perspective... how selfish can you get? All these people want sons, but they don't care if their great great grandsons won't have anyone to date but other people's great great grandsons? Not much point to carrying on the family name if the family won't be able to procreate anymore in a few generations. Or maybe they figure people will know how to create clones without a mother to carry the baby by then. Either way, aside from the horror of genocide, it's just plain stupid. These people have sunk even lower than objectifying women. At least chauvanist pigs still appreciate women in some form.

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RE: Eradicating women. - 8/20/2007 3:44:20 PM

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Maybe this is how nature has decided to end or reduce the Indian culture. Who knows. Looks like something else for people to meddle in though.

Yeah, yeah, the evil Men are to blame. Things are done based on a value system, if you do not like the value system, then move somewhere else. There is going to be a problem with every value system, from someone's perspective.

Maybe we should invade India and end the suffering, wait I think Darfur is next on the list to invade.

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RE: Eradicating women. - 8/20/2007 3:47:06 PM

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I have no problem whining about the completely skewed cultural value system in operation in this instance. I think it's inexcusable. Also, the idea that most of the people who are adversely affected by it are likely even in a position to "just move somewhere else" is laughable.

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RE: Eradicating women. - 8/20/2007 4:00:00 PM

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I think I am going to be sick.

Murder is murder, no matter how you word it. I hope all those people burn in hell for eternity. I have heard of that stuff before, its just barbaric to the umteenththousand degree. If you don't want a child, then don't have sex. Pure and simple. If you want a child of a certain gender, then pray.

Their morality is different than yours. The gods they pray to are most likely not the one you pray to, and their hell (if they even have one) is most likely different than yours. How can you inflict your morality on a complete culture?

How do you know what their morality dictates? For them, sex might be much more than just for procreation.

Oh, and do you also see birth control as murder? After all, it's stopping even the possibility of a child being born. Do you use birth control for anything other than a medical reason (and by medical, I mean keeping you regular, not keeping embryos from forming)? And if you do use birth control for it's main purpose, then by your own words you should get off that immediately, and stop having sex if you don't want to have babies.

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RE: Eradicating women. - 8/20/2007 4:10:10 PM

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"All these people want sons, but they don't care if their great great grandsons won't have anyone to date but other people's great great grandsons? Not much point to carrying on the family name if the family won't be able to procreate anymore in a few generations. Or maybe they figure people will know how to create clones without a mother to carry the baby by then. Either way, aside from the horror of genocide, it's just plain stupid. These people have sunk even lower than objectifying women. At least chauvanist pigs still appreciate women in some form. "

Of course the other option you did not mention was to invade Russia (or somewhere else, see the thread a few days ago about Chinese immigrating to africa and taking local wives). If you want to set up your nation to be agressive in the future, this is a great idea.

Susan of O, no one is eliminating the women, look at the actuall rates. It is not leading to a future of No women. Meat cleaver is right that this will self correct in a gneration or so.

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RE: Eradicating women. - 8/20/2007 4:11:34 PM

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Birth control has no relationship to the topic being discussed.

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RE: Eradicating women. - 8/20/2007 4:22:07 PM

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I'd have to side with meatcleaver here...
There are cultures out there that kill babies if they are deformed or mentally retarded... And this is looked at very poorly by the west. But this is a popular liberal argument for abortion, "what if the baby is retarded or deformed..." It's almost like abortion supporters here in the west believe killing off that baby is an act of mercy. It goes back to the so-called "quality of life argument." The Nazis thought the same thing by the way. They killed off babies that were deformed at birth or were retarded.

I mean we bash these other cultures....but we do the same thing here. The only difference is that we are justifying it by claiming it is "women's rights" and therefore we like to think we are more advanced. And it is a serious weakness in the liberal side of the argument on this issue.

Actually, having spent most of a decade taking care of people with developmental disabilities in their own places (some with severe retardation as well as severed physical problems) and knowing how much it cost (in the 90's) to care for ONE person like this, it's not a 'so-called quality of life arguement'. Many of the people I took care of lived in better homes or apartments than I did, paid for by the taxpayers, of course. They could afford to eat whatever they wanted (or whatever the staff wanted if they weren't sufficiently high functioning to have opinions of their own) which could include steak every week. My salary to take care of these people wasn't enough to allow me steak once a year.

Some people with developmental disabilities have a great quality of life, people who's IQ are in the trainable or educable ranges can do almost anything a 'normal' person can. Those who can't string two words together, can't learn how to walk, must wear diapers at 30 because they have no control over their body functions because they are basically 1 year olds living in an adult body? No quality of life. Not really.

And I'm sure I'll get leaped on for this, but it's my opinion based on my experiences in the Developmentally Disabled field.

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RE: Eradicating women. - 8/20/2007 4:22:31 PM

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luckydog1: You may be right, they are only working to eliminate a few generations of females.

In that case then, I guess I am just all for it (snicker)

Sorry, I couldn't resist.

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RE: Eradicating women. - 8/20/2007 6:06:39 PM

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An interesting point I heard recently that is worth mentioning here. On one of the more conservative blogs I read semi-regularly I read how China is facing problems (beyond the fact that they've been killing people!) with their practice of female infanticide. The problem?

They have a growingly disproportionate number of single males in their 20's and 30's and not enough women to marry them all. Can anyone guess what it is suggested this has caused?

Higher crime rates...(so it is reported)

My $.02...

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RE: Eradicating women. - 8/20/2007 6:10:24 PM

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Well there will be more testosterone-influenced types around, that's for sure, so that makes some sense (to me).

And for anyone who is wondering, I did not just say that all men are prone to criminality. But - testosterone can make people more aggressive. It's been known to happen.

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RE: Eradicating women. - 8/20/2007 6:33:37 PM

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In modern-day India, sex selection, the all-too-common practice by which female foetuses are terminated before birth, conforms to a very different and disturbing calculus: increased wealth brings increased access to prenatal ultrasounds and sonograms. New and more widely available technology, the engine of India's relentless economic growth, is also fuelling female foeticide.

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Only last month in the state of Orissa, the skulls of 40 female foetuses and newborn girls were discovered in an abandoned well. More distressing still, sex selection is worst in the most affluent parts of the country: Punjab, Haryana, Gujarat.
In northern Punjab, for example, there are just 798 girls under the age of six for every 1,000 boys. The national average is 927.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/south_asia/6934540.stm

I`ve heard about this before.World wide,women`s lives are considered cheaper then men`s lives.In the 3rd world,where life is cheap to begin with,it`s that much worse for women.

In China,female babies are regularly dumped.Women world wide,also suffer more enslavement(the bad ,not fun kind),and abuse.

Whether it`s cultural or out of desperation,females seem to taking the brunt of the crap.

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RE: Eradicating women. - 8/20/2007 7:57:26 PM

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Faced with death or walking across the border, which would you pick? They get no sympathy from me, their culture will either survive or not, die or not, their choice. People here in the US seem to need a cause, they need the drama, they need to feel sorry for someone, and they need some moral outrage. Ever wonder why that is?

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I have no problem whining about the completely skewed cultural value system in operation in this instance. I think it's inexcusable. Also, the idea that most of the people who are adversely affected by it are likely even in a position to "just move somewhere else" is laughable.

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RE: Eradicating women. - 8/20/2007 8:40:08 PM

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No, I haven't. We obviously have different points of view. Fine with me. However, please have the good will to realize that I don't feel the same way, and not try to change my mind unless you have a pretty good argument for it. What you put forth is not a good argument for me to change my mind, IMO. I am afraid I am not very easily persuaded in this particular matter.

- Susan

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RE: Eradicating women. - 8/20/2007 9:29:11 PM

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Can anyone guess what it is suggested this has caused?

Apparently, you didnt bother to read my post about this 2 pages ago.

So no, no body on this thread has any suggestions about the cause.

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RE: Eradicating women. - 8/20/2007 10:16:37 PM

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I was going to say, that, too, Sinergy (but didn't). Yes, he missed what you said (and I thought it was really informative).

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RE: Eradicating women. - 8/20/2007 10:42:26 PM

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I was going to say, that, too, Sinergy (but didn't). Yes, he missed what you said (and I thought it was really informative).

- Susan

Thank you, Susan.

I dont know about informative. I spent a lot of time in school studying it and aspects of it stick in my mind to this day. It was just my opinion on the matter, and we all know that if you add $1.70 you can get a cup of coffee.

However, I found it rather amusing that the poster would say nothing was posted about the issue after I made my posts.

I would imagine an educated and erudite scholar would a) apologize for making a bonehead comment or b) posit an intelligent, articulate, and reasoned response, but I suspect the person who made that comment is not big enough to do either.

I hope it works for him/her/it.

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RE: Eradicating women. - 8/20/2007 10:55:21 PM

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It's a sad calloused comment but it's not like India couldn't use a little population reduction whatever the cause.
If they can't find women at home and they can't import them to marry from elsewhere then a birthrate reduction will naturally follow.
Thus the poverty level may reduce as well, since lower demand will lower prices and raise wages.

At some point the entire world will have to get to the zero growth point Looks like India may beat some of us to it.

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RE: Eradicating women. - 8/20/2007 10:57:29 PM

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I'm hoping that the population will decrease later to some comfortable level.

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RE: Eradicating women. - 8/20/2007 11:03:44 PM

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It's a sad calloused comment but it's not like India couldn't use a little population reduction whatever the cause.
If they can't find women at home and they can't import them to marry from elsewhere then a birthrate reduction will naturally follow.
Thus the poverty level may reduce as well, since lower demand will lower prices and raise wages.

At some point the entire world will have to get to the zero growth point Looks like India may beat some of us to it.

I never once said I opposed it, Archer.

I simply pointed out that the practice results in a specific outcome.

If the outcome works for you and your children's children's children, I say go with it.

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