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cloudboy -> RE: Difference between male and female dominance (11/21/2007 3:56:15 PM)

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ORIGINAL: AAkasha

I'm not a professional dominatrix. I have a career in marketing, totally unrelated to kink. I also support my husband financially - he doesn't have a job or have to pay for anything.

Akasha



Must say I feel vindicated.


http://akashaweb.com/updates/phone2007.html

http://www.collarchat.com/m_1423446/mpage_1/key_/tm.htm#1423446





RRafe -> RE: Difference between male and female dominance (11/21/2007 4:06:43 PM)

When you create a sexually driven dynamic-the one who controls the supply controls the relationship. Only by being willing to abstain-and offer something MORE INTENSE in return-do you attract an average individual who really has a strong desire to submit.

One thing I learned a long long time ago-From Dommes.

The quickest way to get rid of a bottom that parades as a sub-is to make them do WORK.

And NOT play with them, or give them sex.




domiguy -> RE: Difference between male and female dominance (11/21/2007 5:06:05 PM)

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ORIGINAL: SimplyMichael

What a world of difference between the dominance offered (real or imagined) by male dominants compared to female dominants. 

What would people say about a male dominant who expects a woman to pay for most if not all expenses, often considered more of an accessory than a primary partner, be a personal valet, couldn't ask for let alone hope for much in the way of sexual pleasure although be expected to provide sexual pleasure, and more.

Male dominants do at times have service submissives who perform some of the above but rarely is there a financial side to them and if there is sex it isn't so one sided.

Just interesting that the dynamics are so starkly different at the extremes.  I realize that not all males do it this way just as all females don't do things this way but the extremes do seem to be very different.


To explore the dynamic you have to remove the pro's from the mix....It obviously behooves the pro to claim interest in bdsm even when their is absoloutely none present for many.

I dig the pussy. Does the pussy have power? Not much....At last count there a more twats running around this great land of ours then there are men to fill them.  I dig a complete woman....Chick has got to have her shit together...I have a J.O.B.....You're smart, you get a fucking job, preferably something you even enjoy or sought or have some sort of passion.  First shit load of get togethers it's my treat....If we become the real deal then it is going to be viewed as a financial partnership of sorts.  We might share in some household items or meals depending on the situation.  I don't want your fucking money.

Now if things were "equal" Dom women might feel the same way....But there does seem to be a palpable difference...I'm the Dom but you still come wallet first.  I don't have a great insight into femdoms ...From what I see and read on these forums and in profiles  my opinion is not flattering to say the least.

The obvious connection between the two is if this is something that is just a built in characteristic of the woman...She's got red hair, likes to cook, avid reader and is a Dom....Then life would just seem to have a flow to it. But as a Domme do the sub men have different expectations from that type of a woman....Should she have a career? Or is it the subs job to provide for her? Or is it enough to support her ass to ensure that she taps yours?

This thing can get kind of creepy...It is a highy charged aspect of my sexuality...It is not my life, it is private.  I don't seek out a ton of woman I tend to look for partners....They don't all work out, but there is always something gained.

I see a few Domchicks out here who seem to have their shit together...They feel complete and whole, at ease with themselves as well as there surroundings.  Unfortunately they seem to be the exception rather than the rule.




ExSteelAgain -> RE: Difference between male and female dominance (11/22/2007 4:18:07 AM)

Has anyone seen the old movie, American Giggolo with Richard Gere? He got lots of money from women for providing services, but he did it a step removed from checking out at the Dollar Store. He developed a relationship with them and the women were more than happy to shower him with gifts and money later.

It seems to me that women desire to maintain relationships more than men as time goes on and will do most anything to keep their lovers. That was the concept Gere played from in the movie and he would end up being "paid" far more than most "pros." Maybe somewhat of a generalization, but it seems to fit as much as the belief there is no market for male Doms.

One last point, as someone up the thread said, a male Dom can maintain control using sexual desires. Of course, females can do this, too, but understanding it gives you more power. That power also ties into the relationship angle. Dominant men tend to have more control sexually as a relationship is established and they can make their women do most anything out of desire.




Lkg4MstrSacramen -> RE: Difference between male and female dominance (11/22/2007 11:37:34 AM)

Wow..interesting subject and so many opinions on it.
I think the reason things are the way they are is because of sexual dimorphism. whatever.




AAkasha -> RE: Difference between male and female dominance (11/22/2007 11:41:05 AM)

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ORIGINAL: cloudboy

quote:

ORIGINAL: AAkasha

I'm not a professional dominatrix. I have a career in marketing, totally unrelated to kink. I also support my husband financially - he doesn't have a job or have to pay for anything.

Akasha





Must say I feel vindicated.


http://akashaweb.com/updates/phone2007.html

http://www.collarchat.com/m_1423446/mpage_1/key_/tm.htm#1423446




The fact that after 6+ years I decided to do a few phone sessions makes me a pro now?
You really have a hardon for me.

It doesn't change the fact that my *career* is in marketing and has nothing to do with my kink.  Btw, thanks for advertising my upcoming sessions!  If you are so obsessed with me, why not consider calling for a beating?

Akasha




needDomme -> RE: Difference between male and female dominance (11/22/2007 12:12:16 PM)

I think the labels are meaningless. The fact is that Aakasha is a ifestyle Domme and not in it for the money. If she chooses to continue spreading the lifestyle to those who want it, she should be able to recover for her expenses, time and labor. End of story as far as I'm concerned.

need




RRafe -> RE: Difference between male and female dominance (11/22/2007 12:17:07 PM)

Maledoms who acted this way would get tagged as worthless, parasitical users.

There's a definite double standard.




CuriousLord -> RE: Difference between male and female dominance (11/22/2007 12:18:09 PM)

I'd see "lifestyle Domme" and "pro domme" as roles, though not mutually exclusive.  Can't someone act as both?

Not that it matters.  This thread really shouldn't be about someone's personal life.




AAkasha -> RE: Difference between male and female dominance (11/22/2007 12:19:32 PM)

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ORIGINAL: needDomme

I think the labels are meaningless. The fact is that Aakasha is a ifestyle Domme and not in it for the money. If she chooses to continue spreading the lifestyle to those who want it, she should be able to recover for her expenses, time and labor. End of story as far as I'm concerned.

need


Thanks needDomme!  Unfortunately, some legitimate, lifestyle femdoms are thrown under the bus regularly by bitter submissives who are angry that there is a market out there for domination. There will always be women who are sincerely interested in domination, and who may dabble in a variety of exchanges on the side.  In my case, my career path has nothing to do with domination and never will.  Surely I could "retire" from my marketing craft and try to figure out how to make a killing being a "pro femdom" but that's now what interests me, and I still only LIKE to dominate when I am in the *mood*.  That's not a good way to make a living. No amount of money could get me to dominate on a bad day or when my lust is not in it.

Some angry submissives also fail to realize that many lifestyle femdoms regularly court, pursue and dominate men completely on their own dime.  I am courting two separate playthings right now who have not even bought the toys I am using on them.  I get a lot of joy - and a rush of power - picking out the toys I send and paying for everything from the shipping to the phone bills and eventually the flights and hotel rooms. 

I have no complaints.  I'm actually flattered at the overwhelming response since I decided a few days ago to start doing phone domination again after not doing it for 6+ years.  I get to pick and choose who I dominate, *AND* be gifted for it. What's not to love?  And the submissives get to be on the other end of the line with a femdom who they have been reading about for 8 - 10 years and wished they could connect with.  Everyone wins.

Akasha




AAkasha -> RE: Difference between male and female dominance (11/22/2007 12:20:49 PM)

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ORIGINAL: RRafe

Maledoms who acted this way would get tagged as worthless, parasitical users.

There's a definite double standard.


Your point is?




LadyLegs -> RE: Difference between male and female dominance (11/22/2007 12:21:02 PM)

I am surprised tosee this thread is all anout money.  I was expecting to see a discussion of chasity as a domination method




RRafe -> RE: Difference between male and female dominance (11/22/2007 12:21:48 PM)

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ORIGINAL: AAkasha

quote:

ORIGINAL: RRafe

Maledoms who acted this way would get tagged as worthless, parasitical users.

There's a definite double standard.


Your point is?



That desperate stupidity is it's own reward.




AAkasha -> RE: Difference between male and female dominance (11/22/2007 12:23:21 PM)

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ORIGINAL: RRafe

quote:

ORIGINAL: AAkasha

quote:

ORIGINAL: RRafe

Maledoms who acted this way would get tagged as worthless, parasitical users.

There's a definite double standard.


Your point is?



That desperate stupidity is it's own reward.


Please direct your anger and bitterness at the male submissives who drive the market as well as the market price.

Akasha




RRafe -> RE: Difference between male and female dominance (11/22/2007 12:30:00 PM)

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ORIGINAL: AAkasha

quote:

ORIGINAL: RRafe

quote:

ORIGINAL: AAkasha

quote:

ORIGINAL: RRafe

Maledoms who acted this way would get tagged as worthless, parasitical users.

There's a definite double standard.


Your point is?



That desperate stupidity is it's own reward.


Please direct your anger and bitterness at the male submissives who drive the market as well as the market price.

Akasha



Smiles, you seem to view contempt as something other. If it were not for those men that so many of you despise-you would all be nothing. I find the entire equation to be ludicrous.




needDomme -> RE: Difference between male and female dominance (11/22/2007 12:32:44 PM)

Yes, Everybody wins!!!




CuriousLord -> RE: Difference between male and female dominance (11/22/2007 12:33:08 PM)

You don't have to worry about it.  It's however a person feels.

I mean, if you stop to think about it, do most people, in general, respect men or women more?  If someone yells at a man and a woman, or a boy and a girl, who do you expect to be more likely to cry?

In general, men are respected more than women.  They're seen as stronger and more honorable, while women are often characterized as more emotional and fickle.  In many respects, these traits are derived from empiracle observation over many generations and tend to carry some level of truth.

But what if a man and a woman do the same thing?  Shouldn't they be respected as the same?  Yeah, and they are.

Like, in this case, pro's.  A pro-domme doesn't suffer much reputation loss because she's female, she just doesn't have as far to fall.  The reason people would critize a man more is because he's supposed to be better than that, so they're just knocking him down to the same level as his female counterpart.. he just gets knocked more because he has further to fall; he was given a higher place to fall from since his gender tends to be harder.

My point being, the whole pro thing effects females less because they're assumed to be closer to it naturally while men are assumed to be further from it.

(To some: Fair warning, I'm likely to break out ethical calculus if this subject goes anywhere.  It's fascinating to see how it works, and I realize that this rant probably seems sexist to many since we're all supposed to be created equal.  Well, we're not, and people don't actually believe it, either.  Burying one's head in the sand and saying we're all equal is only going to cause a lot of confussion and hyprocracy.)

Edit:  Actually, to force this past the denial stage, I'd like to provide some example of what I mean.

I'm an Engineering student.  There are male and female Engineering students, and students are left to their own devices on what to choose- advisors don't even tell you anymore and parents, largely, just say '[whatever]'.

Now, say you come and visit my college.  You meet a tall, clean-cut white man with a brief case.  He tells you he's an Engineer.  Are you surprised?  Do you respect him much more?

Next, you go on and find a shorter girl with a frilly, pink T-shirt.  She tells you she's an Engineer.  Honestly, would you not be somewhat surprised?  Not respect her a little bit more?  You didn't expect it as much, did you?

And it's not just becaue you're blindly prejustice.  In general, tall, clean-cut guys with such things are more likely to have such a profession than girls in frilly clothing.  If, in general, you think someone's more likely to have a certain type of profession, you're more likely to give them the appropriate respect- it's not blindly prejustice, it's just acknowledging reality.  But, once you learn something more concrete, such as the truth instead of a statistical analysis, you can correct that.




CuriousLord -> RE: Difference between male and female dominance (11/22/2007 12:34:13 PM)

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ORIGINAL: LadyLegs

I am surprised tosee this thread is all anout money.  I was expecting to see a discussion of chasity as a domination method


Why would that come up?




Dragynsfury -> RE: Difference between male and female dominance (11/22/2007 12:38:57 PM)

I'll agree I'm surprised this is about pros versus joes and the ethical views on male dominance versus female dominance.  I sort of thought this was more a comparison on domination techniques/practices
 
I'll go bury my head in the sand now![:D]




LadyLegs -> RE: Difference between male and female dominance (11/22/2007 12:39:26 PM)

Because I rarely see questions about enforcing female chastity as opposed to the plethora of questions & devices for male chastity. 




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