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RE: How do Dominants keep "White Knight" synd... - 9/30/2007 6:19:24 AM   
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ORIGINAL: Bobkgin

1. the double-standard you've established where others can feel free to post their opinions but I must watch what I say.
2. your apparent belief that bullies who hold kangaroo courts, witch hunts, and manufacture evidence can be mollified by the way I express myself, as if bullies -should- be mollified.

Consider the What has happened?   thread: "To the elegance, refinement, class and rituals that SM once was 50 or so years ago? How did it get to the point of, blatant crudeness, vulgarity and disrespect for others?"
 
Compare the OP's question with the way that thread has been handled since it was revived.
 
The same is true of the Why is Punishment not seen as Abusive?  thread. Several people tried to hi-jack it, Mod 11 stepped in, it went back on-topic for a while and then yesterday the same gang tried to hi-jack it yet again. Merc makes claims about what was said in another thread, but for some reason doesn't post those comments to the thread where the quote appears.

Why do you suppose he chose to do that? Would it be caused by the fact that his claims were made in the original thread and were argued extensively till he no longer had a leg to stand on, in which case he decided to try his luck again in an entirely different thread hoping his audience would be unaware of what transpired in the original thread? Would that also explain why he didn't tell anyone where to find the quote, so that others would not read how that debate progressed and see he is merely trying to smear me with false accusations that are obviously false if the original thread were read?

It is not by accident that the "white knights" are obsessive-compulsive, or that this trait appears in so many threads where the same gang tries to hi-jack one thread after another.

Just look at No Limits: How far would you go?  for yet another example.

When bullies cannot chase an individual off the boards outright, they resort to a smear campaign. They are so image-conscious that they cannot imagine anyone staying while their reputation is torn to shreds by fabrication and invented 'evidence'.



I do not see bullies here. Sorry. I have been on these boards a lot longer than you have and have never encountered bullying.

As far as I can see YOU are the only one that has ever brought up the subject here.

I do not see double standards. Everyone is entitled to their opinions. What they are not entitled to do is to force those opinions onto everyone else here. The problem comes when someone posts here with the idea that theirs is the only way. It can also become very clear when people are not consistent in their views. Those that appear to be inconsistent are often seen as being fake and here only to "stir things up". I am afraid to say that I have seen you be inconsistent in your views and postings so I am sure I am not the only one.

When someone disagrees with you on a viewpoint your immediate action is to attempt to put that person down in some way. Witness the way you have responded to Mad Rabbit and Merc in the past. Instead of debating and attempting to put your point across whilst also attempting to see theirs, you disregard their view totally. What I see is someone that lacks self esteem and who attempts to denigrate anyone who does not fall into line.


edited as my quotes are pissed

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RE: How do Dominants keep "White Knight" synd... - 9/30/2007 6:23:33 AM   
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ORIGINAL: Aileen68

No one paying any attention to you lately bob that you felt the need to revive this thread?


Another member of the gang shows up with yet another smear.

The problem for those with obsessive/compulsive disorder is they are so predictable, and thus easily manipulated.


And I should have asked this in my response to Susie:

Why was I the one who pointed readers to the Safe punishment.  thread where the quotes Merc provided originated? Why was I the one to treat the audience with respect and ask them to judge the matter for themselves, whereas Merc's attitude was "take my word for it"?

If the accusations had merit, wouldn't Merc post it to the relevant thread where the quotes originate? Wouldn't he be the first to steer readers to the original thread so they could witness the 'disaster' for themselves? Wouldn't I want to avoid that kind of attention and not mention the original thread at all?

Manufactured 'evidence' is only good as long as the fact it is manufactured is unknown. Thus Merc had every reason to avoid referring to the original thread, while I had no fear of people reading it in the context in which it occurred.


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RE: How do Dominants keep "White Knight" synd... - 9/30/2007 6:25:24 AM   
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ORIGINAL: KatyLied

Freedom is the right to tell people what they do not want to hear.
- George Orwell




And yet another member of the gang appears.

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RE: How do Dominants keep "White Knight" synd... - 9/30/2007 6:27:54 AM   
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Aileen, you are a gang member.  Is that like being in a clique? 


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RE: How do Dominants keep "White Knight" synd... - 9/30/2007 6:28:33 AM   
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Don't think so highly of yourself there bob.  I only find you amusing in a sad kind of way.  You can say whatever you want about obsession and bullies.  Most people are able to read and see who is the obsessed one.  You didn't answer my question.  Why did you revive this thread?  You do know that thread bumping for one's own attention is frowned upon by the Mods.

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RE: How do Dominants keep "White Knight" synd... - 9/30/2007 6:29:51 AM   
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ORIGINAL: KatyLied

Aileen, you are a gang member.  Is that like being in a clique? 



Are we Crips or Bloods?

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RE: How do Dominants keep "White Knight" synd... - 9/30/2007 6:33:34 AM   
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quote:

Are we Crips or Bloods?


Since this place is just like a school yard I suggest our gang should be called:  sandbox betches.


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RE: How do Dominants keep "White Knight" synd... - 9/30/2007 6:34:34 AM   
Bobkgin


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quote:

ORIGINAL: susie

quote:

ORIGINAL: Bobkgin

1. the double-standard you've established where others can feel free to post their opinions but I must watch what I say.
2. your apparent belief that bullies who hold kangaroo courts, witch hunts, and manufacture evidence can be mollified by the way I express myself, as if bullies -should- be mollified.

Consider the What has happened?   thread: "To the elegance, refinement, class and rituals that SM once was 50 or so years ago? How did it get to the point of, blatant crudeness, vulgarity and disrespect for others?"
 
Compare the OP's question with the way that thread has been handled since it was revived.
 
The same is true of the Why is Punishment not seen as Abusive?  thread. Several people tried to hi-jack it, Mod 11 stepped in, it went back on-topic for a while and then yesterday the same gang tried to hi-jack it yet again. Merc makes claims about what was said in another thread, but for some reason doesn't post those comments to the thread where the quote appears.

Why do you suppose he chose to do that? Would it be caused by the fact that his claims were made in the original thread and were argued extensively till he no longer had a leg to stand on, in which case he decided to try his luck again in an entirely different thread hoping his audience would be unaware of what transpired in the original thread? Would that also explain why he didn't tell anyone where to find the quote, so that others would not read how that debate progressed and see he is merely trying to smear me with false accusations that are obviously false if the original thread were read?

It is not by accident that the "white knights" are obsessive-compulsive, or that this trait appears in so many threads where the same gang tries to hi-jack one thread after another.

Just look at No Limits: How far would you go?  for yet another example.

When bullies cannot chase an individual off the boards outright, they resort to a smear campaign. They are so image-conscious that they cannot imagine anyone staying while their reputation is torn to shreds by fabrication and invented 'evidence'.



I do not see bullies here. Sorry. I have been on these boards a lot longer than you have and have never encountered bullying.



This does not surprise me, coming from you.

quote:


As far as I can see YOU are the only one that has ever brought up the subject here.


Perhaps because I'm the only one who didn't run away from it.

quote:


I do not see double standards. Everyone is entitled to their opinions. What they are not entitled to do is to force those opinions onto everyone else here.


Double-talk. How do you "force" anything on anyone in a public forum on the internet?

quote:


The problem comes when someone posts here with the idea that theirs is the only way. It can also become very clear when people are not consistent in their views. Those that appear to be inconsistent are often seen as being fake and here only to "stir things up". I am afraid to say that I have seen you be inconsistent in your views and postings so I am sure I am not the only one.


I am well aware that the bullies repeat these claims, and whenever I've explained apparent 'inconsistencies' they ignore the explanations and repeat the accusations.

Sometimes they even have to change threads in order for their accusations to sound credible.

quote:


When someone disagrees with you on a viewpoint your immediate action is to attempt to put that person down in some way. Witness the way you have responded to Mad Rabbit and Merc in the past.


And the reader can take note of the fact that the two you mentioned are both bullies and both members of this gang of bullies.

Perhaps you've forgotten:

"The objectives of bullies are Power, Control, Domination, Subjugation. They get a kick out of seeing you react. It doesn't matter how you react, the fact they've successful provoked a reaction is, to the bully, a sign that their attempt at control have been successful. After that, it's a question of wearing you down. The more you try to explain, negotiate, conciliate, etc the more gratification they obtain from your increasingly desperate attempts to communicate with them. Understand that it is not possible to communicate in a mature adult manner with a disordered individual who's emotionally retarded."

http://www.bullyonline.org/related/cyber.htm


quote:


Instead of debating and attempting to put your point across whilst also attempting to see theirs, you disregard their view totally. What I see is someone that lacks self esteem and who attempts to denigrate anyone who does not fall into line.


Or someone smart enough to know better than to reason with immature individuals whose obsessive/compulsive disorder renders them incapable of reasoning.


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RE: How do Dominants keep "White Knight" synd... - 9/30/2007 6:35:41 AM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: KatyLied

quote:

Are we Crips or Bloods?


Since this place is just like a school yard I suggest our gang should be called:  sandbox betches.



I'd rather be a swingset betch.

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RE: How do Dominants keep "White Knight" synd... - 9/30/2007 6:40:07 AM   
Bobkgin


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quote:

ORIGINAL: Aileen68

Why did you revive this thread? 


The connection between bullies and white knights has already been made in this thread. As I am discussing both, Im on topic.

quote:


You do know that thread bumping for one's own attention is frowned upon by the Mods.


So what should we think of Merc taking quotes out of the Safe punishment.   thread and posting them to the Why is Punishment not seen as Abusive?  thread so as merely to smear me? If he had issue with the quotes in the Safe punishment.  thread, why not post his comments there?

Oh yes, he no longer had a leg to stand on there, so he had to move it if he was to avoid making a bigger fool of himself than he has already.


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RE: How do Dominants keep "White Knight" synd... - 9/30/2007 6:41:23 AM   
Bobkgin


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quote:

ORIGINAL: Aileen68

quote:

ORIGINAL: KatyLied

quote:

Are we Crips or Bloods?


Since this place is just like a school yard I suggest our gang should be called:  sandbox betches.



I'd rather be a swingset betch.


The gang has decided to try and hi-jack the thread.

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RE: How do Dominants keep "White Knight" synd... - 9/30/2007 6:45:40 AM   
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Wow what the hell???

What does THIS have to do with, oh, ANYTHING?

quote:

To the audience at large:

How do you feel when members of the so-called BDSM 'community' persecute other members of the 'community' through witch hunts, kangaroo courts, and similar methods?

What of the many white knights we have here who love to tell you who is "twue" and who is not? Are you grateful to have self-appointed 'judges' to tell you what to think of others?

What of those who take quotes out of context so as to misrepresent individuals and 'warn' you away from them? Does the fact they need to manufacture their own 'evidence' bother you, or is it okay with you?


I'm in a nice mood this morning (it's Sunday.  My favorite day) so I'm going to give you a bit of advice here:

1. There is more than one community in the world.  If the one you joined is full of bullies who don't like you, perhaps it is best to find another.

2. Nobody has to like you.  In fact nobody has to respect you.  This entitlement mentality has been increasingly more prevalent lately, but long story short - friends and respect are something earned.

3. Posting stuff like what I have quoted that is irrelevant to the topic, and posting it to a dead topic, is quite amusing to others but the fallout does not seem amusing to you.  Perhaps you need to study the art of self preservation?

4. It's not all about you.

5. Even when everyone's talking about you, it's still not all about you.  It just means you're being highly vocal at the moment.  As soon as you shut up, it's no longer about you. Because it never was.

6. This is a message board full of old people, young people, fat people, thin people, white people, black people, male people, female people, rich people, poor people, and basically everyone else.  I've never seen anyone 'gang up' on someone because of ANY of these attributes.  The only criterion by which people are judged on a message board are the messages that they post. In other words, if people don't 'like' you, it's because of what you say.  Feel free to take it personally - it has nothing to do with your gender, race, social class or D/s status.  It's entirely you.

7. If the ratio of people criticizing you to people defending you is highly skewed toward the former, you might want to consider perhaps they have a point.

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RE: How do Dominants keep "White Knight" synd... - 9/30/2007 6:48:29 AM   
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Geez, you Bully Betches really need to quit bullying BoOb. He might end up running home, crying to his mommy. THEN you'll really be in trouble!

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RE: How do Dominants keep "White Knight" synd... - 9/30/2007 6:52:05 AM   
xoxi


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Also a bully is the OPPOSITE of a white knight.

A white knight tries to intervene for the 'victim's' benefit.
A bully tries to intervene for the bully's own benefit at the expense of the victim.

"White knights" step in to save people from bullies.

I have NO idea where you're going with this Bob but I have a feeling it's going to reach 12 pages by the end of the night.  Not because you're involved, of course.  Because of all those other people who are going to get involved.

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RE: How do Dominants keep "White Knight" synd... - 9/30/2007 6:52:16 AM   
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um, why not just not answer the posts?

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RE: How do Dominants keep "White Knight" synd... - 9/30/2007 6:58:14 AM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: Bobkgin

quote:

ORIGINAL: susie

I do not see bullies here. Sorry. I have been on these boards a lot longer than you have and have never encountered bullying.



This does not surprise me, coming from you.



Perhaps you would like to explain that comment. Exactly what does "coming from you" mean.

And sorry to disappoint you bobby but there are no "gangs" here. Just individuals with their own minds. If you think people are "ganging" up on you then you are the only one who sees it.

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RE: How do Dominants keep "White Knight" synd... - 9/30/2007 6:58:28 AM   
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Heh heh heh...I can just picture bob now.  Sitting in his boxers in front of his computer with one eyebrow raised  (o.O).  Continuously hitting the refresh button all the while rubbing his hands together, cackling.  Waiting, just waiting for a reply to his posts. 
Don't kid yourself.  bob loves this.  In fact, as unappealing as it may be, I think he may just get off on all of this.

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RE: How do Dominants keep "White Knight" synd... - 9/30/2007 7:00:22 AM   
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ORIGINAL: Bobkgin

quote:

ORIGINAL: LaTigresse

Geez, you Bully Betches really need to quit bullying BoOb. He might end up running home, crying to his mommy. THEN you'll really be in trouble!


And another member of the gang makes an appearance.



OMG I am part of a gang??!?!?!?!?

How cool is this?! Do we have gang colours? Is there a cool leather jacket? ORRRR better yet, do we have a gang sign that can be translated into a cool piece of jewelry? (or wait, is it called bling? I have never been good at this gang stuff) No tatoos though, I just cannot DO a tatoo. Ohhh, do we have a sign langueage hand signal? These are the questions I need answers to ASAP!

Ohhhhhh wait till I tell the family they are part of a gang by blood.


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RE: How do Dominants keep "White Knight" synd... - 9/30/2007 7:01:14 AM   
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ORIGINAL: LaTigresse

Geez, you Bully Betches really need to quit bullying BoOb. He might end up running home, crying to his mommy. THEN you'll really be in trouble!


I love being in trouble

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RE: How do Dominants keep "White Knight" synd... - 9/30/2007 7:02:34 AM   
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Are you girls still feeding the troll?

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