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velvetears -> RE: No Limits: How far would you go? (9/20/2007 9:50:21 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Bobkgin And I'm saying in reading her words and how she expresses herself, I find mental incompetency questionable, or at least, not affecting the cognitive processes needed to form consent. Why do you assume that being mentally incompetant, mentally ill, or even insane affects the cognitive process when typing on a message board? What certificate, degree, diploma, certification enables you to make this kind of claim? Because she can think straight and write well shes competant? Is it that simple? Do you have any idea what goes into deeming someone incompetant? You're really overstepping yourself here. i don't know if she is or isn't - i would not claim to know. i only know what she types here, and i choose to believe it is fantasy and not totally real. As is my right as any human being to make judgements about others based on my common sense. i think she embelishes, like someone said - maybe that's her kink. But putting prop aside for the moment - anyone who claims they are incompetant, don't like what is being done to them - as in her own words she has said - "If it were up to me i would say no but i no longer have that right", she's said she fell into a huge depression and wanted to kill herself when she first became her masters slave because of the way he treated her, that she has no natural survival instinct (how can anyone know that unless it was put to the test) just so many claims that seem to me too unbelievable, so therefor i don't. my main issue with whats being discussed is that somehow eveyrone under the umbrella of bdsm, in whatever it is they do, have to be accepting and non judgemental of what others do - where on the bdsm card membership does it say this? Why are bdsmers held to a different standard then the general population? i think prop knows exactly what's going to ensue when she posts her relationship on the boards - and like someone mentioned she 85% of the time posts extreme stuff. It's pretty simple - if she truly is incompetant she can't consent - in that case she's being abused. Who is anyone to say that if she got the psychiatric help she seems to need that she would have a change of heart about her situation? i guess we will never know because as she has said many many times - her "daddy" has made it impossible for her to ever leave - i think she even alluded to the idea he would kill her. Oh well c'est la vie.

Bobkgin -> RE: No Limits: How far would you go? (9/20/2007 9:55:23 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: xoxi I am not her psychiatrist, so I can't tell you why she is mentally incompetent. All I know is that she was declared so, and that as such it is her Daddy's responsibility to make sound judgements on her behalf. That is something he is not doing. You can dispute the psychiatrists all you want but you've never even met the girl much less had any in depth counseling sessions with her. Forgive me if I take the psychiatrist's professional diagnosis after plenty of in depth sessions to be more valid than your opinion based on how well she forms sentences on a message board. quote: And in my opinion no less presumptious than to attack the man she defends. My point is neither you nor anyone else has taken that approach with Props. You've all attacked her man, disqualified her from any comment, and offered her no help whatsoever. Why should I not believe you and they do not like her and that all of this stems from that? I don't like her or dislike her - this isn't high school and I'm not calling her boyfriend a jerk to hurt her feelings. I am questioning his level of responsibility toward his legal ward, and questioning whether his sadistic impulses are even under his own control. I do not believe he is acting entirely in her best interest. That has nothing to do with whether or not I like her. Even if she were my worst enemy I would still think he was not acting entirely in her best interest. She says this is right for her. You ignore her. You set yourself up to know better than Prop what is right for Prop. Yet you know less about Prop and her situation than she does. And you don't see yourself projecting yourself into this situation? Yesterday's response was not a visceral reaction to the idea this could have happened to you, if things had been different? You aren't playing out your own therapy in this thread?

Mercnbeth -> RE: No Limits: How far would you go? (9/20/2007 10:02:48 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: velvetears ...my main issue with whats being discussed is that somehow eveyrone under the umbrella of bdsm, in whatever it is they do, have to be accepting and non judgemental of what others do - where on the bdsm card membership does it say this? Why are bdsmers held to a different standard then the general population?... perhaps it is because MANY of the things bdsm-ers do are either against the laws of the general population OR the general population would consider someone immoral and/or mentally ill to be involved with it?

velvetears -> RE: No Limits: How far would you go? (9/20/2007 10:03:52 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: chellekitty ...people with legal gardianship do not just get handed the title and are never checked up on again... Absolutely! Even when someone just gets power of attorny of a persons estate they are accountable for every penny of that money spent and if it is misappropriated they are in deep legal trouble. It's a big responsibility. Even if this whole scenario were true she did opposite of what was intended - she has so many cards she can hold over her masters head it isn't funny. Shes a phone call away from freedom and having her master behind bars - i would say shes prolly safer then you or me lol.

domiguy -> RE: No Limits: How far would you go? (9/20/2007 10:04:17 AM)
I do dig the propster...It would be a shame to see her "offed." I believe I might even feel............Bad?...... No...Sad?...Not quite....Perhaps some sense of loss...Maybe... Anywhooo...Here is the real deal...I do wish all well on this forum.....If proppy was a close friend or a relative I would probably step into their relationship....Awful? Over stepping my boundaries?...Maybe....But it is probably a fact....As it is she is but another face or set of pixels on the intertube....I wish her well..She does seem to be as cool as the the other side of the pillow....Of course there is some blood, cum and,.... Hey, is that scat?,...On the other side of my pillow....Probably why I flipped the damn thing over to begin with....Washing linens is highly over rated. Limits?...They are for pussies....Many time I'm asked, by my current subbie, what did my last subs look like?....I usually just hand her a flashlight and inform her that most of their torsos are still in the crawl space....if you are really that nosey, then go take a gander for yourself.

Bobkgin -> RE: No Limits: How far would you go? (9/20/2007 10:04:49 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: velvetears my main issue with whats being discussed is that somehow eveyrone under the umbrella of bdsm, in whatever it is they do, have to be accepting and non judgemental of what others do - where on the bdsm card membership does it say this? Why are bdsmers held to a different standard then the general population? Apparently the same people who sent me the BDSM card that says I have to be judgmental and hypercritical of anyone who doesn't do it the way I want them to do it. It was useful for lighting the woodstove. quote: Who is anyone to say that if she got the psychiatric help she seems to need that she would have a change of heart about her situation? Yes. Brainwashing works wonders.

velvetears -> RE: No Limits: How far would you go? (9/20/2007 10:13:07 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Mercnbeth quote: ORIGINAL: velvetears ...my main issue with whats being discussed is that somehow eveyrone under the umbrella of bdsm, in whatever it is they do, have to be accepting and non judgemental of what others do - where on the bdsm card membership does it say this? Why are bdsmers held to a different standard then the general population?... perhaps it is because MANY of the things bdsm-ers do are either against the laws of the general population OR the general population would consider someone immoral and/or mentally ill to be involved with it? Because of that there cannot be a floor or ceiling to what happens? Don't judge because you don't want others to judge you? i don't care if others judge me and i am not incompetant. If i were mentally incompetant maybe it would be a godsend if someone came forth to protect me from myself - i have no idea how i would feel. If i knew a slave and she was going to walk off a cliff because her master told her to i would call 911 and report it, if i couldn't save her myself. It is my judgement that anyone who would do such a thing is not working on all cylinders and any master who would command such a thing is no more then a murderer in my eyes. If that's judgemental than so be it. i hope i am always judgemental, the day i stop being so i loose part of my humanity.

velvetears -> RE: No Limits: How far would you go? (9/20/2007 10:16:10 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Bobkgin Yes. Brainwashing works wonders. Psychiatrists brainwash but her master hasn't? And you know this how?

Bobkgin -> RE: No Limits: How far would you go? (9/20/2007 10:17:59 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: velvetears If i knew a slave and she was going to walk off a cliff because her master told her to i would call 911 and report it, if i couldn't save her myself. It is my judgement that anyone who would do such a thing is not working on all cylinders and any master who would command such a thing is no more then a murderer in my eyes. If that's judgemental than so be it. i hope i am always judgemental, the day i stop being so i loose part of my humanity. Anyone else hearing the echoes of the Schiavo case here?

RCdc -> RE: No Limits: How far would you go? (9/20/2007 10:18:09 AM)
I understand that you aren't critisizing the slaves side, but the dominants. Why does this make any difference though? It really doesn't. Either way it is a witch hunt. quote: If she did die, is that what you would tell her mother? I would tell her nothing - because she isn't my responsibility. She isn't yours either. And that is the crunch. I don't believe in some big ole BDSM community. I do not believe that BDSM adheres well with the whole 'community' thought. I don't believe in it being some 'Lifestyle'. I don't suck up to the whole belief that we should be portraying a postive image just to please the masses. I like what I like and theres not a damn thing that matters what anyone else expects, thinks or believes. I am not going to waste my time trying to make BDSM respectable when respectable is subjective. I am not into fooling myself that SSC is even remotely acceptable for me and that total consensual relationships and behaviour exists because it doesn't and I accept that responsibility and take the fall if I have to. I have sat watching this thread, watching people harp on and on and yet on another thread, people are almost congratulating someone for breaking the law and condoning the actions even though it could result in deaths of others.(Speeding thread). Daddy and prop portray themselves exactly how they want. Whether you believe them or not is up to you. Whether you like it or not is up to you. And because they bring it into the open forum, they know they are going to get negative and positive responses. But when you cast that stone on Daddy - remember all the laws you break every bloody day and all the non consents you negate just by living your life... and that doesn't even start with BDSM. the.dark.

chellekitty -> RE: No Limits: How far would you go? (9/20/2007 10:20:47 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Mercnbeth perhaps it is because MANY of the things bdsm-ers do are either against the laws of the general population OR the general population would consider someone immoral and/or mentally ill to be involved with it? puts her undies on her head and walks around playing the star spangled banner on a kazoo trying to get some freaking attention did anyone see that i said, even leaving out anything to do with BDSM, he's still doing illegal shit cause if she is to be believed, vanilla sex with her is against the law?

breatheasone -> RE: No Limits: How far would you go? (9/20/2007 10:22:16 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Bobkgin quote: ORIGINAL: velvetears If i knew a slave and she was going to walk off a cliff because her master told her to i would call 911 and report it, if i couldn't save her myself. It is my judgement that anyone who would do such a thing is not working on all cylinders and any master who would command such a thing is no more then a murderer in my eyes. If that's judgemental than so be it. i hope i am always judgemental, the day i stop being so i loose part of my humanity. Anyone else hearing the echoes of the Schiavo case here? Wow...are you seriously comparing that here in this context? Holy Smokes!

velvetears -> RE: No Limits: How far would you go? (9/20/2007 10:25:52 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: breatheasone quote: ORIGINAL: Bobkgin quote: ORIGINAL: velvetears If i knew a slave and she was going to walk off a cliff because her master told her to i would call 911 and report it, if i couldn't save her myself. It is my judgement that anyone who would do such a thing is not working on all cylinders and any master who would command such a thing is no more then a murderer in my eyes. If that's judgemental than so be it. i hope i am always judgemental, the day i stop being so i loose part of my humanity. Anyone else hearing the echoes of the Schiavo case here? Wow...are you seriously comparing that here in this context? Holy Smokes! Ludicrous. i happened to be on the husbands side in that fiasco. She was terminal, never going to recover and she made her wishes known before she ever got sick. That predicament wasn't about competance it was about the right to live or die in a situation where all was hopeless for the woman. Nuff said O.o

Mercnbeth -> RE: No Limits: How far would you go? (9/20/2007 10:26:07 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: velvetears quote: ORIGINAL: Mercnbeth quote: ORIGINAL: velvetears ...my main issue with whats being discussed is that somehow eveyrone under the umbrella of bdsm, in whatever it is they do, have to be accepting and non judgemental of what others do - where on the bdsm card membership does it say this? Why are bdsmers held to a different standard then the general population?... perhaps it is because MANY of the things bdsm-ers do are either against the laws of the general population OR the general population would consider someone immoral and/or mentally ill to be involved with it? ... Don't judge because you don't want others to judge you?... Exactafuckinmundo...but hey, even the Christ Himself had a hard time convincing folk...so this slave really doesn't expect you, or any other zealots here to understand the utmost importance of it's utter simplicity.

Bobkgin -> RE: No Limits: How far would you go? (9/20/2007 10:28:45 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: velvetears quote: ORIGINAL: Bobkgin Yes. Brainwashing works wonders. Psychiatrists brainwash but her master hasn't? And you know this how? Straw man. Try again.

Mercnbeth -> RE: No Limits: How far would you go? (9/20/2007 10:31:58 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: chellekitty quote: ORIGINAL: Mercnbeth perhaps it is because MANY of the things bdsm-ers do are either against the laws of the general population OR the general population would consider someone immoral and/or mentally ill to be involved with it? puts her undies on her head and walks around playing the star spangled banner on a kazoo trying to get some freaking attention did anyone see that i said, even leaving out anything to do with BDSM, he's still doing illegal shit cause if she is to be believed, vanilla sex with her is against the law? how is "she's a masochist, your honor, who fully consented to it" going to get anyone off of a battery charge?

velvetears -> RE: No Limits: How far would you go? (9/20/2007 10:33:02 AM)
i don't judge as in condeming someone, i judge to create a world for myself, from my own lifes experiences, what is healthy for me and those i love. i don't condem prop i just happen not to believe her stories - i use my judgement for that. If people never judged they wouldn't last very long on this planet - if confronted by a predator they would not run... would you not judge from the growls and teeth barring the animal was dangerous? i certainly hope so.

BeingChewsie -> RE: No Limits: How far would you go? (9/20/2007 10:34:02 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: velvetears If i knew a slave and she was going to walk off a cliff because her master told her to i would call 911 and report it, if i couldn't save her myself. It is my judgement that anyone who would do such a thing is not working on all cylinders and any master who would command such a thing is no more then a murderer in my eyes. . ....and people ask me why don't you have a profile here anymore? With posters like this here who needs enemies.

velvetears -> RE: No Limits: How far would you go? (9/20/2007 10:34:45 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Bobkgin quote: ORIGINAL: velvetears quote: ORIGINAL: Bobkgin Yes. Brainwashing works wonders. Psychiatrists brainwash but her master hasn't? And you know this how? Straw man. Try again. When you answer even one of my questions i might indulge you, till then i will simply move along and not waste my time thanks.

velvetears -> RE: No Limits: How far would you go? (9/20/2007 10:36:59 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: BeingChewsie quote: ORIGINAL: velvetears If i knew a slave and she was going to walk off a cliff because her master told her to i would call 911 and report it, if i couldn't save her myself. It is my judgement that anyone who would do such a thing is not working on all cylinders and any master who would command such a thing is no more then a murderer in my eyes. . ....and people ask me why don't you have a profile here anymore? With posters like this here who needs enemies. Don't read more into it than was intended. i am not out to save all the slave subbies of the world. i could really care less what people do. If i was THERE and saw it happening i would take action. If that offends you i'm sorry. i am just being truthful.

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