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Bobkgin -> RE: No Limits: How far would you go? (9/20/2007 11:50:37 AM)

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ORIGINAL: BeingChewsie

It isn't just someone, it is a slave ordered to jump by her owner. Where exactly do I get the right to impose my will upon her or him? What if she wouldn't give me consent to intervene? What about HER rights and her right to surrender her will to her owner, including the right to her life? I thought this was all about consent...now we are going to decide some activities are just things nobody can possibly consent too? So who gets to rule what actvities are OK and which ones are not?



Bingo.




chellekitty -> RE: No Limits: How far would you go? (9/20/2007 11:57:00 AM)

my way is less dangerous to the freedom of my "Owner" because i do not have state and local agents acting on official business randomly stopping by unannounced to check on my welfare...there was no black or white in my value judgement...just a darker shade of grey...or is that gray....is it nap time yet?




susie -> RE: No Limits: How far would you go? (9/20/2007 12:07:11 PM)

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ORIGINAL: Bobkgin

quote:

ORIGINAL: BeingChewsie

It isn't just someone, it is a slave ordered to jump by her owner. Where exactly do I get the right to impose my will upon her or him? What if she wouldn't give me consent to intervene? What about HER rights and her right to surrender her will to her owner, including the right to her life? I thought this was all about consent...now we are going to decide some activities are just things nobody can possibly consent too? So who gets to rule what actvities are OK and which ones are not?



Bingo.



Well thats ok then so long as there is consent,

So instead of the cliff scenario you see the same people but this time the Master tells the slave to cross the road and kill the child playing in the park. Of course you would not intervene in that situation either as she consented.




Mercnbeth -> RE: No Limits: How far would you go? (9/20/2007 12:10:11 PM)

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ORIGINAL: chellekitty

my way is less dangerous to the freedom of my "Owner" because i do not have state and local agents acting on official business randomly stopping by unannounced to check on my welfare...there was no black or white in my value judgement...just a darker shade of grey...or is that gray....is it nap time yet?


your way poses NO danger, actually, but has squat to do with why you would encourage someone to have themselves considered "legal" to consent to things that aren't considered "legal".




jaxnsax -> RE: No Limits: How far would you go? (9/20/2007 12:12:02 PM)

NM




chellekitty -> RE: No Limits: How far would you go? (9/20/2007 12:21:05 PM)

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ORIGINAL: Mercnbeth
your way poses NO danger, actually, but has squat to do with why you would encourage someone to have themselves considered "legal" to consent to things that aren't considered "legal".


nope...i encouraged her to remove the monitoring via the legal system if she wants to contiue her lifestyle the way she's doing it...have herself declared competent and her Daddy is no longer her legal gaurdian and then there are no longer state and local agencies checking in randomly and unannounced....

and my way does pose danger...any time i deal with a medical professional or law enforcement official (police officer, detective, etc) i could, if i misspoke, place a top i have played with in danger...i have many scars from play...i have a cutting done on my back by a non-licensed person in my local community...




daddysprop247 -> RE: No Limits: How far would you go? (9/20/2007 12:27:40 PM)

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ORIGINAL: domiguy

I dig the ol' propster...She is actually one of the more intelligent women out here judging from the quality of her posts...Yeah, she lives a rather "extreme" lifestyle...But the chick does kind of rock...In an uncomfortable "Barry Manilowesque" style ...I mean you know all of the words you just don't want anyone watching you as you belt  out one of his tunes at the top of your lungs.....


"Oh Proppy...You came and you gave without taking...But I sent you away...Oh Proppy, I choked you, till your body stopped shaking...And I need you today...Oh Proppy." 


thanks domi, for the levity. [:D]




Mercnbeth -> RE: No Limits: How far would you go? (9/20/2007 12:37:42 PM)

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ORIGINAL: chellekitty

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ORIGINAL: Mercnbeth
your way poses NO danger, actually, but has squat to do with why you would encourage someone to have themselves considered "legal" to consent to things that aren't considered "legal".


nope...i encouraged her to remove the monitoring via the legal system if she wants to contiue her lifestyle the way she's doing it...have herself declared competent and her Daddy is no longer her legal gaurdian and then there are no longer state and local agencies checking in randomly and unannounced....

and my way does pose danger...any time i deal with a medical professional or law enforcement official (police officer, detective, etc) i could, if i misspoke, place a top i have played with in danger...i have many scars from play...i have a cutting done on my back by a non-licensed person in my local community...



sorry to have misjudged you.  you are right---you are dangerous.




chellekitty -> RE: No Limits: How far would you go? (9/20/2007 12:43:41 PM)

lol...thanks...i thuroughly enjoyed getting every single scar i have gotten from play an adult...except the ones on my neck....i didn't expect those to have lasted...oh a year now...damn vampire....litterally....




Bobkgin -> RE: No Limits: How far would you go? (9/20/2007 1:03:46 PM)

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ORIGINAL: susie

quote:

ORIGINAL: Bobkgin

quote:

ORIGINAL: BeingChewsie

It isn't just someone, it is a slave ordered to jump by her owner. Where exactly do I get the right to impose my will upon her or him? What if she wouldn't give me consent to intervene? What about HER rights and her right to surrender her will to her owner, including the right to her life? I thought this was all about consent...now we are going to decide some activities are just things nobody can possibly consent too? So who gets to rule what actvities are OK and which ones are not?



Bingo.



Well thats ok then so long as there is consent,

So instead of the cliff scenario you see the same people but this time the Master tells the slave to cross the road and kill the child playing in the park. Of course you would not intervene in that situation either as she consented.


And when did you assume to overlook the rights of the child?




susie -> RE: No Limits: How far would you go? (9/20/2007 1:16:05 PM)

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ORIGINAL: Bobkgin

quote:

ORIGINAL: susie

quote:

ORIGINAL: Bobkgin

quote:

ORIGINAL: BeingChewsie

It isn't just someone, it is a slave ordered to jump by her owner. Where exactly do I get the right to impose my will upon her or him? What if she wouldn't give me consent to intervene? What about HER rights and her right to surrender her will to her owner, including the right to her life? I thought this was all about consent...now we are going to decide some activities are just things nobody can possibly consent too? So who gets to rule what actvities are OK and which ones are not?



Bingo.



Well thats ok then so long as there is consent,

So instead of the cliff scenario you see the same people but this time the Master tells the slave to cross the road and kill the child playing in the park. Of course you would not intervene in that situation either as she consented.


And when did you assume to overlook the rights of the child?


I have not said I am overlooking the right of the child. The comment made was "Who gets to rule what activities are OK and which ones are not." You suggested that we have no right to decide what is right and what is not as long as it is a consentual relationship.

Perhaps you only think that when it suits you.




daddysprop247 -> RE: No Limits: How far would you go? (9/20/2007 1:20:59 PM)

...this thread has turned into something very disturbing and quite disgusting honestly, but i'm grateful for the way it has worked to show the true colors of many, both good and ugly. it is true what many have said, "limits" threads in general tend to evoke strong feelings in people and often lead to the nastiest of arguments. someone mentioned my way of repeating myself in these threads...and that is true, because my feelings all limits (as they relate to my own experiences and lifestyle) have never waivered. it's more than a bit ridiculous to me that so many take issue with the way my Master and i live, on a bdsm website of all places. the truth is we don't live very differently than any other committed M/s couple...in comparison to some we're extreme, in comparison to others we're ultra mild. it's all a matter of perspective. i suppose the difference could be that we share more than most....because we're not ashamed, see nothing seedy or inappropriate about our life together, and because we feel that certain M/s dynamics don't get the acknowledgement, acceptance or understanding that they should. i think back to when i was a "newbie," and how invaluable it was to me to find a good M/s community, on and offline, that showed me the sort of relationship i could have and that absolutely nothing was wrong with it if that was my choice. castlrealm and even collarme were unknown to me at the time, thankfully.

so, some believe i'm apparently incapable of consent because at one time, several years ago, i was deemed mentally incompetent by a very crappy mental health and legal system. i won't lie or make light of it, it was an extremely rough time in my life, where i was dealing with many drastic changes all at once and not processing it all too well, and my depression, which has been with me all of my life and will likely always be a part of me, reached a low point. but i got it together, with the love, support, and much-needed kicks-in-the-bum of my Master, and saw it through to the other side. yes, i'm still depressed, because it's an illness with me, not a fleeting state of mind. but i'm far less depressed, and far more content than i have ever been in my life and ever thought i could be. and more importantly, i am at peace, because i know that i have found my path and true life's purpose.

yes, i use the word abuse to refer to some of the things my Master subjects me to. but please know that i am using the term literally, to refer to activities done with the intent of causing physical or emotional harm. many here, by my definition, are similarly abused, but would never refer to it as such and that is fine. i assign no connotations to the word abuse. it is neither positive nor negative, right or wrong, it just is. 

as for those who believe little or nothing that i have to say, that is certainly your right, but please don't be naive enough to think that no one lives this way, that no one believes in consensual M/s dynamics without limits or boundaries (whichever term you prefer), and please please do not assume that everyone feels a part of the so-called "bdsm community" and follows the mantras of SSC, "you always have the right to leave or say no," etc. and, believe it or not, we are not all looney tunes, but regular folk who laugh, cry, eat, sleep, watch TV and walk the dog like everyone else. some realize this because they live and breathe it...owned, BeingChewsie, Bita, being just a few here...and others realize it because they have the open-mindedness and perceptiveness to understand that simply because a way of life may differ from their own personal reality or comfort zone, that does not make it unbelievable or sick or any potentially less precious and fulfilling to someone else.

now with that hopefully this thread will either die or be drastically diverted. ..i'm off to eat some pizza and snuggle up with my Master.




Bobkgin -> RE: No Limits: How far would you go? (9/20/2007 1:22:35 PM)

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ORIGINAL: susie

quote:

ORIGINAL: Bobkgin

quote:

ORIGINAL: susie

quote:

ORIGINAL: Bobkgin

quote:

ORIGINAL: BeingChewsie

It isn't just someone, it is a slave ordered to jump by her owner. Where exactly do I get the right to impose my will upon her or him? What if she wouldn't give me consent to intervene? What about HER rights and her right to surrender her will to her owner, including the right to her life? I thought this was all about consent...now we are going to decide some activities are just things nobody can possibly consent too? So who gets to rule what actvities are OK and which ones are not?



Bingo.



Well thats ok then so long as there is consent,

So instead of the cliff scenario you see the same people but this time the Master tells the slave to cross the road and kill the child playing in the park. Of course you would not intervene in that situation either as she consented.


And when did you assume to overlook the rights of the child?


I have not said I am overlooking the right of the child. The comment made was "Who gets to rule what activities are OK and which ones are not." You suggested that we have no right to decide what is right and what is not as long as it is a consentual relationship.

Perhaps you only think that when it suits you.


Would you explain what leap of logic you've taken to get from BeingChewsie's statement to believing anyone here is saying children have no rights and can be murdered at whim?




BeingChewsie -> RE: No Limits: How far would you go? (9/20/2007 1:24:38 PM)

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ORIGINAL: susie

quote:

ORIGINAL: Bobkgin

quote:

ORIGINAL: susie

quote:

ORIGINAL: Bobkgin

quote:

ORIGINAL: BeingChewsie

It isn't just someone, it is a slave ordered to jump by her owner. Where exactly do I get the right to impose my will upon her or him? What if she wouldn't give me consent to intervene? What about HER rights and her right to surrender her will to her owner, including the right to her life? I thought this was all about consent...now we are going to decide some activities are just things nobody can possibly consent too? So who gets to rule what actvities are OK and which ones are not?



Bingo.



Well thats ok then so long as there is consent,

So instead of the cliff scenario you see the same people but this time the Master tells the slave to cross the road and kill the child playing in the park. Of course you would not intervene in that situation either as she consented.


And when did you assume to overlook the rights of the child?


I have not said I am overlooking the right of the child. The comment made was "Who gets to rule what activities are OK and which ones are not." You suggested that we have no right to decide what is right and what is not as long as it is a consentual relationship.

Perhaps you only think that when it suits you.


Nope, I think adults can consent to *any* activity they want, kids can't. I would intervene on the behalf of the child, because the child didn't consent to being killed. I wouldn't be intervening to save an adult from doing something she wanted to do, I'd be intervening to save a child who didn't. In fact it doesn't have anything to do with her at all.




LaTigresse -> RE: No Limits: How far would you go? (9/20/2007 1:25:15 PM)

Well said prop, I am glad you came back and wrote what you did. 




susie -> RE: No Limits: How far would you go? (9/20/2007 1:52:39 PM)

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ORIGINAL: Bobkgin

quote:

ORIGINAL: susie

quote:

ORIGINAL: Bobkgin

quote:

ORIGINAL: susie

quote:

ORIGINAL: Bobkgin

quote:

ORIGINAL: BeingChewsie

It isn't just someone, it is a slave ordered to jump by her owner. Where exactly do I get the right to impose my will upon her or him? What if she wouldn't give me consent to intervene? What about HER rights and her right to surrender her will to her owner, including the right to her life? I thought this was all about consent...now we are going to decide some activities are just things nobody can possibly consent too? So who gets to rule what actvities are OK and which ones are not?



Bingo.



Well thats ok then so long as there is consent,

So instead of the cliff scenario you see the same people but this time the Master tells the slave to cross the road and kill the child playing in the park. Of course you would not intervene in that situation either as she consented.


And when did you assume to overlook the rights of the child?


I have not said I am overlooking the right of the child. The comment made was "Who gets to rule what activities are OK and which ones are not." You suggested that we have no right to decide what is right and what is not as long as it is a consentual relationship.

Perhaps you only think that when it suits you.


Would you explain what leap of logic you've taken to get from BeingChewsie's statement to believing anyone here is saying children have no rights and can be murdered at whim?



If you wish to twist my words feel free. Perhaps you need to take some lessons in reading what people write.

But again you have been so inconsistent on this thread it is little wonder that you have to resort to that sort of tactic.

You have taken issue with someone judging another on here, and have told us we have no right to do so. The very same person that you yourself judged earlier on this thread by calling them a liar. Make up your mind. Or is it only ok for you to judge people and not for anyone else?

Or are you going to twist that as well?




Bobkgin -> RE: No Limits: How far would you go? (9/20/2007 2:30:33 PM)

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ORIGINAL: susie

quote:

ORIGINAL: Bobkgin

quote:

ORIGINAL: susie

quote:

ORIGINAL: Bobkgin

quote:

ORIGINAL: susie

quote:

ORIGINAL: Bobkgin

quote:

ORIGINAL: BeingChewsie

It isn't just someone, it is a slave ordered to jump by her owner. Where exactly do I get the right to impose my will upon her or him? What if she wouldn't give me consent to intervene? What about HER rights and her right to surrender her will to her owner, including the right to her life? I thought this was all about consent...now we are going to decide some activities are just things nobody can possibly consent too? So who gets to rule what actvities are OK and which ones are not?



Bingo.



Well thats ok then so long as there is consent,

So instead of the cliff scenario you see the same people but this time the Master tells the slave to cross the road and kill the child playing in the park. Of course you would not intervene in that situation either as she consented.


And when did you assume to overlook the rights of the child?


I have not said I am overlooking the right of the child. The comment made was "Who gets to rule what activities are OK and which ones are not." You suggested that we have no right to decide what is right and what is not as long as it is a consentual relationship.

Perhaps you only think that when it suits you.


Would you explain what leap of logic you've taken to get from BeingChewsie's statement to believing anyone here is saying children have no rights and can be murdered at whim?



If you wish to twist my words feel free. Perhaps you need to take some lessons in reading what people write.

But again you have been so inconsistent on this thread it is little wonder that you have to resort to that sort of tactic.

You have taken issue with someone judging another on here, and have told us we have no right to do so. The very same person that you yourself judged earlier on this thread by calling them a liar. Make up your mind. Or is it only ok for you to judge people and not for anyone else?

Or are you going to twist that as well?


I would not dream of trying to improve perfection.




Rover -> RE: No Limits: How far would you go? (9/20/2007 2:44:06 PM)

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ORIGINAL: Bobkgin

And since you seem to be collarme's self-appointed 'official authority' on what's "believable", I guess that means everyone can believe what you say, huh?

"Oh John. It's the big bad internets and I'm all alone. Please tell me what is believable because I really don't know how to think for myself."

Where would they be without you, John?


No, Bob... I'm responsible for what I choose to believe and not believe, along with my own opinion and statements.  Everyone else is similarly responsible for themselves.
 
John




Rover -> RE: No Limits: How far would you go? (9/20/2007 2:49:43 PM)

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ORIGINAL: Aswad

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ORIGINAL: Rover

I was not rude, did not call her or her momma any names, or cast aspersions upon her lineage. I was direct. There is a difference.


You did call her a liar in public. That's rude by most standards.

Health,
al-Aswad.


You give me a call when everyone agrees on a standard.  Until then, I'll work with my own standard (and you can work with yours).
 
John
 
P.S. - People making wild assertions in public should be prepared for the eventuality that someone, somewhere, is gonna call them on it.  You want to make public statements without response or criticism?  Rent a billboard.




ownedgirlie -> RE: No Limits: How far would you go? (9/20/2007 2:55:11 PM)

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ORIGINAL: LaTigresse

Well said prop, I am glad you came back and wrote what you did. 


I definitely second this.  And enjoy the pizza. :)




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