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Home for wayward subs - 9/28/2007 5:23:48 AM

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I was having a discussion with a friend recently, and one thing we've noticed is that in many 24/7 relationships, when they end, the sub is left with almost nothing. No home, no food, barely the clothes on theyre backs.

Our thought was to get a few acres of land, build a house, and have such subs/slaves come to stay. All would be welcome, and all staying in the house would be expected to contribute to the house in some way, such as yard work, house keeping, etc.

Any opinions? Anyone willing to help?

RE: Home for wayward subs - 9/28/2007 5:34:56 AM

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I would call bullshit on the smell.
Either that or I would question you repeating pattern of knowing dysfunctional relationships.

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RE: Home for wayward subs - 9/28/2007 5:38:44 AM

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<passes out the Koolaid cups.

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RE: Home for wayward subs - 9/28/2007 5:46:09 AM

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hey! Im not meaning this to be a cult!

as for dark's comment, gotta live dysfunction to know it, man.

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RE: Home for wayward subs - 9/28/2007 5:54:03 AM

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Disagree. You have to understand dysfunction to recognise it. Does not mean you have to have lived it.
How would social workers, doctor, or psycologists work?
Not that I haven't been touched by dysfunction - but I learned from it.

If someones been ill advised enough to be left with nothing at the end of a relationship does not mean they are always the submissive side of the relationship.

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RE: Home for wayward subs - 9/28/2007 6:04:20 AM

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most of the time, when this situation does occur, it is the sub/slave that gets the shaft.

I beleive to FULLY understand and have knowledge of something, one must experience it.

what I mean to happen with this, is that when the sub is ready, they will go out into the world on theyre own, to live theyre lives.

We all need a haven, a safe place to hide. what I want to do is create such a place for those who have none.

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RE: Home for wayward subs - 9/28/2007 6:07:20 AM

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I think it is a nice idea but I wonder about the feasibility of carrying it all out.

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RE: Home for wayward subs - 9/28/2007 6:12:00 AM

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we are still in the planning stages. I honestly want this to happen though.

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RE: Home for wayward subs - 9/28/2007 6:12:52 AM

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Again, bullshit.
Just because you have experienced something does not make you knowledgable or even capable of making sound and unbiased judgements.
Doctors do not have to have appendicitis to know how to remove one. And a psyc doesn't have to have bi-polar to be able to medicate or treat someone with it.
Teachers do not have to have a child, to be able to empathise and teach one.

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RE: Home for wayward subs - 9/28/2007 6:17:30 AM

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but you do not hope that any of those people are inexperienced, do you?

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RE: Home for wayward subs - 9/28/2007 6:18:19 AM

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In the end, what you would end up with are those that lack the ability to be autonomous...they would never leave. Sure, there are those out there without a safety net of family and friends, but the "community" can't be responsible. We can't even be legal!

If you feel the overwhelming need to help...help those who can't care for themselves. Open up your ranch and empty the dog pound. You'd have all of the satisfaction of helping without the need to put a boot in someone's behind when you realize the truth of why they can't function.

If you're honestly trying to help all of the submissives that have been kicked to the curb and are unable to function, try to compile all of the resources readily available to them right now. You have a Utopian ideal that just wouldn't make it off the ground. And remember the old adage..."Give a submissive a fish and she/he eats for a day..."

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RE: Home for wayward subs - 9/28/2007 6:28:49 AM

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but you do not hope that any of those people are inexperienced, do you?

Everyone starts somewhere and I would rather place my faith in someone who shows the ability with lack of knowledge than my trust in someone who has so-called first hand self knowledge with little ability.

I do not know you geoff, so I can only gain my knowledge from what you put here, and your few words sofar show bias and a lack of empathy for that which you have no experience of - not a positive trait for someone wishing to be of assistance to others. I certainly would not place my trust in something like that.

Those that are helped, help themselves. Those that help, give unbias information and freedom to learn.

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RE: Home for wayward subs - 9/28/2007 6:30:34 AM

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quote:

ORIGINAL: youngsubgeoff

I was having a discussion with a friend recently, and one thing we've noticed is that in many 24/7 relationships, when they end, the sub is left with almost nothing. No home, no food, barely the clothes on theyre backs.

Seems to me that we are talking about some fairly stupid submissives. You don't go turning over your life to someone who isn't going to properly take care of you. Which means that it is up to a submissive to take care of themselves before they go living with a dominant who might kick them to the curb.

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RE: Home for wayward subs - 9/28/2007 6:41:25 AM

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Let's also not forget how many of these people are basically screw ups-who want to be enabled. Are you ready to support a bunch of perpetual teenagers?

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RE: Home for wayward subs - 9/28/2007 6:43:36 AM

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quote:

ORIGINAL: Littlepita

quote:

ORIGINAL: youngsubgeoff

I was having a discussion with a friend recently, and one thing we've noticed is that in many 24/7 relationships, when they end, the sub is left with almost nothing. No home, no food, barely the clothes on theyre backs.

Seems to me that we are talking about some fairly stupid submissives. You don't go turning over your life to someone who isn't going to properly take care of you. Which means that it is up to a submissive to take care of themselves before they go living with a dominant who might kick them to the curb.

i have to agree with pita here. When a sub enters into a 24/7 relationship, they need to take measures to make sure they'll be ok if the relationship fails. If they are going into the relationship with no job, no money, no home, and expect to be taken care of, when the relationship fails (if it does) that's exactly what they'll be left with, no job, no money, no home. It IS possible to be in a 24/7 submissive relationship and hold down a job. If the Dom is against the sub working and wants them within the confines of the home at all times, then it is the subs responsibility to make sure there's something for them to fall back on if the relationship nose-dives.

Honestly, the one poster who commented about "passing out the kool-aid cups" mirrored my first impression. This *idea* reeks of cultish commune...think about the *type* of submissives that would put themselves in that situation to begin with! They'd never leave...they'd never get the *correct* help (self-worth, job training, skills to take care of themselves).

Just my opinion, of course.

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RE: Home for wayward subs - 9/28/2007 7:14:16 AM

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Give Jimmy Carter a ring, he's good for a hammer and nail.

We could call it, "Habitat For Humiliation".

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RE: Home for wayward subs - 9/28/2007 7:51:09 AM

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A sub needs to have a back up plan her own money a place to live just in case the relationship fails. What you have is a nobel idea but it is pie in the sky. Who is gonna buy this land who is gonna build the house, and if you have all these subs there they have to eat. Are you independtly weathy so you can buy this house, land and food?

Matt's littleone

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RE: Home for wayward subs - 9/28/2007 7:56:38 AM

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Thank you for helping perpetuate the stereotype of the helpless submissive who when becoming involved with someone loses reality of life.

These are relationships and they end like all other relationships. Being a slave and not looking out for yourself are two separate issues.

I would think it would be more protective if people took the time and energy to stop the stereotype so at least more who are susceptible to what you describe would happen less.

There is a difference, and not lifestyle related, of taking care of yourself and hitching yourself blindly to a person. Plenty of vanilla women who do the same thing, find a man, shack up, do not work and then are left scrambling when the relationship goes bad.

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RE: Home for wayward subs - 9/28/2007 7:58:38 AM

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I have seen this idea batted about every so often for at least 9 years, most of the times I have seen it put into action it has been a "ploy" to gather a harem. Even those few times when that was not the actual hidden goal it was the eventual result in all but a very few. The submissive comes in from a relationship finds a place to serve gets that need fullfilled and then becomes dependant on a new person/ house/ group and never learns the tough lesson. How to be capable as an independant adult.

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RE: Home for wayward subs - 9/28/2007 8:00:56 AM

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A sub needs to have a back up plan her own money a place to live just in case the relationship fails. What you have is a nobel idea but it is pie in the sky. Who is gonna buy this land who is gonna build the house, and if you have all these subs there they have to eat. Are you independtly weathy so you can buy this house, land and food?

Matt's littleone

You do rock y'know - and I really dig the questions you post as well (but that's just me hijacking the OP with kudos).

I'd also want to know if the person taking on such an endeavour has psychology knowledge, medical knowledge, and is trained and uptodate with local, state and county (as well as country) laws. There are way too many variables to just trust this in the hands of a single person... even shelters are run by groups or organisations and those often impose time limits on habitation.

Peace
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