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Ethical Sadism - 9/29/2007 10:04:30 AM

mistoferin

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The post on the word "Sadist" really bothered me. I don't think that any of us here view the unethical sadists described in that post as something to be admired, aspired to, or associated with. In THIS realm though, sadism is something that many of us embrace and seek out. I know that I certainly do. But the sadists that I seek and choose to have in my life are those who practice their sadistic ways with ethics.

In a recent conversation with a very special sadist I know, he described his sadism in a way that I think is one of the best, most understandable ways I have heard it described. He said:

quote:

If you look inside me deep enough, you'll see a pair of glowing red eyes looking back at you. If you let it out in the light you'll see the teeth dripping with saliva at the thoughts of your flesh helpless beneath it's claws. If you let it out, you'll wind up in shreds. And you HAVE to control that. If you dont, you're JUST the beast. I'm more than that.

I would love to bind you helpless and have total reign over your body, doing whatever I wanted to with no thoughts of consequences. But I have to temper that. It's my responsibility. It's a wonderful fantasy, but the reality of it is much more mundane. That's why you take what you can, treasure it all the more and feed that beast as often as you can. That's what ensures you can control it.

As a masochist, that is exactly the type of sadist that I seek. That is the type of sadism that feeds my need. He said that some women are just women....and some women are food. So are some men....and when the two meet....the feeding is spectacular.

< Message edited by mistoferin -- 9/29/2007 10:15:44 AM >

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RE: Ethical Sadism - 9/29/2007 11:12:06 AM

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I couldnt possibly agree more with what he says.

I am all too familiar and growing even more familiar with that concept known as the "Beast" and its quite a powerful and intoxicating experience when I go to that part of myself.

Sadistic desire is something that simply "is" and having it doesnt necessarily mean that one is unethical or a "clincal sadist".

I would also be hard pressed to beleive that this part of me isnt something shared by unethical and clinical sadists.

But...then again...I am mentally ill so dont listen too much to me.

< Message edited by MadRabbit -- 9/29/2007 11:24:40 AM >

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RE: Ethical Sadism - 9/29/2007 11:25:54 AM

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quote:

ORIGINAL: mistoferin

The post on the word "Sadist" really bothered me. I don't think that any of us here view the unethical sadists described in that post as something to be admired, aspired to, or associated with. In THIS realm though, sadism is something that many of us embrace and seek out. I know that I certainly do. But the sadists that I seek and choose to have in my life are those who practice their sadistic ways with ethics.

In a recent conversation with a very special sadist I know, he described his sadism in a way that I think is one of the best, most understandable ways I have heard it described. He said:

quote:

If you look inside me deep enough, you'll see a pair of glowing red eyes looking back at you. If you let it out in the light you'll see the teeth dripping with saliva at the thoughts of your flesh helpless beneath it's claws. If you let it out, you'll wind up in shreds. And you HAVE to control that. If you dont, you're JUST the beast. I'm more than that.

I would love to bind you helpless and have total reign over your body, doing whatever I wanted to with no thoughts of consequences. But I have to temper that. It's my responsibility. It's a wonderful fantasy, but the reality of it is much more mundane. That's why you take what you can, treasure it all the more and feed that beast as often as you can. That's what ensures you can control it.

As a masochist, that is exactly the type of sadist that I seek. That is the type of sadism that feeds my need. He said that some women are just women....and some women are food. So are some men....and when the two meet....the feeding is spectacular.

Well said...I've stated on here that my first submissive and I learned a lot together on the path of exploration of both D/s and BDSM. One of the things I learned was how to let go of the professional ethics that guide me to a great extent...except for the part about doing no harm...and letting the inner beast out to play. It's exhilarating to reach inside and feel that beast with its razor-claws and blood-matter fur and teeth dripping in saliva as the feeding session goes on.

I've had submissives tell me that I was "sweet" and "nice" and, with no false modesty here, I agree...I am sweet and nice. Makes for such an astounding contrast to the beast.

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RE: Ethical Sadism - 9/29/2007 11:29:08 AM

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ORIGINAL: CreativeDominant

I've had submissives tell me that I was "sweet" and "nice" and, with no false modesty here, I agree...I am sweet and nice. Makes for such an astounding contrast to the beast.

In all honesty, I am amazed at myself for some of the things I do and how I act and what I want.

When I reflect back, its almost unreal or a different person.

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RE: Ethical Sadism - 9/29/2007 11:46:45 AM

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There should be a book written The Ethical Sadist just like the book The Ethical Slut. What i found ridiculous about that other thread was the fact that as long as you used different terms like "pain play" or for masochists "pain slut" everything was ok. If you enjoy pain play you are either a sadist or a masochist. You cannot hide from what you are by sticking a different label on yourself that you think makes you look more acceptable, nor should you want to.

People who cannot control that "beast", who cross the line to abduction, force, serious harm and injury or even death are a lot more then just sadists - they are sick, psycopathic, killers with at the very least antisocial personality disorder probably present from the time they were children.

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RE: Ethical Sadism - 9/29/2007 11:57:21 AM

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quote:

ORIGINAL: mistoferin

quote:

If you look inside me deep enough, you'll see a pair of glowing red eyes looking back at you. If you let it out in the light you'll see the teeth dripping with saliva at the thoughts of your flesh helpless beneath it's claws. If you let it out, you'll wind up in shreds. And you HAVE to control that. If you dont, you're JUST the beast. I'm more than that.

I would love to bind you helpless and have total reign over your body, doing whatever I wanted to with no thoughts of consequences. But I have to temper that. It's my responsibility. It's a wonderful fantasy, but the reality of it is much more mundane. That's why you take what you can, treasure it all the more and feed that beast as often as you can. That's what ensures you can control it.

Himself and I have had this discussion several times because of our propensity towards and love of primal play. During such activities, Himself has said that's when it's hardest to maintain control over his inner beast since the purpose of the play itself is to let that beast out. Primal play, for us, is always spontaneous and comes about when the energy is right and we feed that energy with the raw meat of passion. In a way I feel a bit sorry that Himself can't, truly, let that inner beast out to tear and claw and kill because I'm under no such restriction. He's quite capable of over powering me and keeping me contained, so I'm free to let go of my humanity and go to that pure animal place. In fact, just thinking about it makes my nose twitch for blood.

Damn drool is gonna kill my keyboard one of these days.

Great post, mist.. thanks for sharing those thoughts with us.

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RE: Ethical Sadism - 9/29/2007 1:20:05 PM

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quote:

ORIGINAL: BitaTruble

quote:

ORIGINAL: mistoferin

quote:

If you look inside me deep enough, you'll see a pair of glowing red eyes looking back at you. If you let it out in the light you'll see the teeth dripping with saliva at the thoughts of your flesh helpless beneath it's claws. If you let it out, you'll wind up in shreds. And you HAVE to control that. If you dont, you're JUST the beast. I'm more than that.

I would love to bind you helpless and have total reign over your body, doing whatever I wanted to with no thoughts of consequences. But I have to temper that. It's my responsibility. It's a wonderful fantasy, but the reality of it is much more mundane. That's why you take what you can, treasure it all the more and feed that beast as often as you can. That's what ensures you can control it.

Himself and I have had this discussion several times because of our propensity towards and love of primal play. During such activities, Himself has said that's when it's hardest to maintain control over his inner beast since the purpose of the play itself is to let that beast out. Primal play, for us, is always spontaneous and comes about when the energy is right and we feed that energy with the raw meat of passion. In a way I feel a bit sorry that Himself can't, truly, let that inner beast out to tear and claw and kill because I'm under no such restriction. He's quite capable of over powering me and keeping me contained, so I'm free to let go of my humanity and go to that pure animal place. In fact, just thinking about it makes my nose twitch for blood.

Damn drool is gonna kill my keyboard one of these days.

Great post, mist.. thanks for sharing those thoughts with us.

Celeste

Celeste
so...do you ever...or rather, does he ever decide to "give you a safeword to use" and then let himself go to the primal place with abandon?
I understand what you mean about feeling [In a way I feel a bit sorry that Himself can't, truly, let that inner beast out]
and Master and I have discussed those same feelings.
He is the one in control, allowing me to go very deep.
I know he has deep primal feelings as well...when does HE get to explore those??....<<< a question we've taken out and looked at but have no answer for ( within our relationship as it is now anyway > I don't have or use a safeword..I do not top da men...have NO interest in topping Master....in fact worry about what that does to the head of the sub once it happens...and He gets concerned that if I was given a safeword for just that scenario > I wouldn't use it until after harm was done..< according to his perspective of what is safe for me to experience.. sigh..)....
Mist...sorry if this is hijacking...thank you for the great topic and your thoughts....makes me think about alot of things. : )

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RE: Ethical Sadism - 9/29/2007 1:30:24 PM

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I totally agree with what you had quoted. Sadism does not mean I am uncontrolled, on the contrary, my self-control has to be absolute.

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RE: Ethical Sadism - 9/29/2007 1:43:06 PM

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Celeste
so...do you ever...or rather, does he ever decide to "give you a safeword to use" and then let himself go to the primal place with abandon?

No. I think he's afraid of letting that beast have too long of a leash for fear the leash will snap and all hell will break loose.

quote:

I understand what you mean about feeling [In a way I feel a bit sorry that Himself can't, truly, let that inner beast out]
and Master and I have discussed those same feelings.
He is the one in control, allowing me to go very deep.
I know he has deep primal feelings as well...when does HE get to explore those??....<<< a question we've taken out and looked at but have no answer for ( within our relationship as it is now anyway >

We have no answer to it either. I don't know if there is an answer to it. You either let it engulf you and suffer the consequences or you control it. Those are not consequences that he's willing to face so he controls it despite the fact that I have, literally, begged him to let it go. He is wiser than I and in his wisdom, he sets boundaries that I would not.

quote:

I don't have or use a safeword..I do not top da men...have NO interest in topping Master....in fact worry about what that does to the head of the sub once it happens...and He gets concerned that if I was given a safeword for just that scenario > I wouldn't use it until after harm was done..< according to his perspective of what is safe for me to experience.. sigh..)....

It sounds as if your Master is also wise.

I'm going to paraphrase a bit of something I wrote in an email to a friend because I think it's pertinent to this part of the thread (and hope it's not a highjack, mist!) ::Mods, these are 'my' words and I give myself permission to post them here so please don't delete them!

::

I want for nothing. The world is at my feet.

Between the two of us, Himself and I, I'm the one who gets to fly. He has to stay grounded to be able to bring me back home and guide me so I don't crash and burn. I get to experience all the sensations .. and although he is the creator, he only gets to live vicariously through that as an observer. I get to suffer and be cleansed by it, renewed by it. He doesn't have that luxury. He needs to take care that he doesn't damage me if he wants to use me again. I am free to let go of everything and just be used. He works hard to ensure that my needs are met, I only have to obey which is so natural to me it's not work at all. How can all that be true and the world not be at my feet? How can all that be true and me want for anything? Is it any reason that I hold Masters in high regard? I know what they do for the likes of you and me and my appreciation doesn't begin to express how grateful and thankful I am for who they are as Masters and what they do for us, as slaves.

I get ya, Cyntilating. Totally. :)

Celeste

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RE: Ethical Sadism - 9/29/2007 1:56:52 PM

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quote:

ORIGINAL: BitaTruble

quote:

ORIGINAL: Cyntilating

Celeste
so...do you ever...or rather, does he ever decide to "give you a safeword to use" and then let himself go to the primal place with abandon?

No. I think he's afraid of letting that beast have too long of a leash for fear the leash will snap and all hell will break loose.

quote:

I understand what you mean about feeling [In a way I feel a bit sorry that Himself can't, truly, let that inner beast out]
and Master and I have discussed those same feelings.
He is the one in control, allowing me to go very deep.
I know he has deep primal feelings as well...when does HE get to explore those??....<<< a question we've taken out and looked at but have no answer for ( within our relationship as it is now anyway >

We have no answer to it either. I don't know if there is an answer to it. You either let it engulf you and suffer the consequences or you control it. Those are not consequences that he's willing to face so he controls it despite the fact that I have, literally, begged him to let it go. He is wiser than I and in his wisdom, he sets boundaries that I would not.

quote:

I don't have or use a safeword..I do not top da men...have NO interest in topping Master....in fact worry about what that does to the head of the sub once it happens...and He gets concerned that if I was given a safeword for just that scenario > I wouldn't use it until after harm was done..< according to his perspective of what is safe for me to experience.. sigh..)....

It sounds as if your Master is also wise.

I'm going to paraphrase a bit of something I wrote in an email to a friend because I think it's pertinent to this part of the thread (and hope it's not a highjack, mist!) ::Mods, these are 'my' words and I give myself permission to post them here so please don't delete them! ::

I want for nothing. The world is at my feet.

Between the two of us, Himself and I, I'm the one who gets to fly. He has to stay grounded to be able to bring me back home and guide me so I don't crash and burn. I get to experience all the sensations .. and although he is the creator, he only gets to live vicariously through that as an observer. I get to suffer and be cleansed by it, renewed by it. He doesn't have that luxury. He needs to take care that he doesn't damage me if he wants to use me again. I am free to let go of everything and just be used. He works hard to ensure that my needs are met, I only have to obey which is so natural to me it's not work at all. How can all that be true and the world not be at my feet? How can all that be true and me want for anything? Is it any reason that I hold Masters in high regard? I know what they do for the likes of you and me and my appreciation doesn't begin to express how grateful and thankful I am for who they are as Masters and what they do for us, as slaves.

I get ya, Cyntilating. Totally. :)

Celeste

Thanks so much Celeste, for your response..

[You either let it engulf you and suffer the consequences or you control it. Those are not consequences that he's willing to face so he controls it despite the fact that I have, literally, begged him to let it go. He is wiser than I and in his wisdom, he sets boundaries that I would not. ]
yes, ultimately, I suppose this is exactly what creates my ability to trust/feel/experience the way I can with him..
so this makes perfect sense.

RE: your copied and re-post of your words>
     brought me to tears..
thank you so much for sharing them again..

[I get ya, Cyntilating. Totally. :) ]
yes, I beleive you can and do..
thanks ! it helps


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RE: Ethical Sadism - 9/29/2007 3:05:54 PM

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quote:

ORIGINAL: mistoferin

The post on the word "Sadist" really bothered me. I don't think that any of us here view the unethical sadists described in that post as something to be admired, aspired to, or associated with. In THIS realm though, sadism is something that many of us embrace and seek out. I know that I certainly do. But the sadists that I seek and choose to have in my life are those who practice their sadistic ways with ethics.

In a recent conversation with a very special sadist I know, he described his sadism in a way that I think is one of the best, most understandable ways I have heard it described. He said:

quote:

If you look inside me deep enough, you'll see a pair of glowing red eyes looking back at you. If you let it out in the light you'll see the teeth dripping with saliva at the thoughts of your flesh helpless beneath it's claws. If you let it out, you'll wind up in shreds. And you HAVE to control that. If you dont, you're JUST the beast. I'm more than that.

I would love to bind you helpless and have total reign over your body, doing whatever I wanted to with no thoughts of consequences. But I have to temper that. It's my responsibility. It's a wonderful fantasy, but the reality of it is much more mundane. That's why you take what you can, treasure it all the more and feed that beast as often as you can. That's what ensures you can control it.

As a masochist, that is exactly the type of sadist that I seek. That is the type of sadism that feeds my need. He said that some women are just women....and some women are food. So are some men....and when the two meet....the feeding is spectacular.

Excellent post to start off a very interesting thread so far, mistoferin. I can particularly relate to your friend's quote.

Additionally, I think it is very important to make people realize that there is a distinction of tremendous proportions between what we may term ethical and non-ethical sadists. That other thread was a debacle entirely because of a small number of people who don't see that.

-DR

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RE: Ethical Sadism - 9/29/2007 3:13:42 PM

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For me at least, the interest in my sadistic side is only directed to certain happily willing masochists. I dont enjoy anything done against someone who isnt getting the same rush I am from it. Angel is not a masochist, I cant even as much as spank him, and so the idea of being sadistic toward him has never come up.
Kitten, on the other hand, enjoyed the rush of the pain and not knowing what I would or wouldnt do to him. With him, I enjoyed allowing myself to let go a bit. However, becasue he was a novice, my self control had to be high becsaue he didnt yet know his limits.
The urge is there, the ability to do the damage is there... however without the knowledge and the self control to safely do it, it would have stayed there forever. I may hurt my boys, but I wil never harm them.

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RE: Ethical Sadism - 9/29/2007 4:05:15 PM

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<fast reply>

Excellent post Mist. As usual I love to read you post. It makes alot of sense. At least to this one. Who thanks to a certain sadist over the past 2 years has helped me love the pain he has been known to explore on me for his own pleasure....and make me love it...crave it.. live for it...as he did giving it to me.

<Winks to the certain sadist whom I know will be reading this>

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RE: Ethical Sadism - 9/29/2007 4:19:31 PM

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Excellent topic and post, mist. Thank you.

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RE: Ethical Sadism - 9/29/2007 7:44:50 PM

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I don't bother to worry about letting any beast out. I'm too well acclimated to it by now-we aren"t exactly living in different towns. It's always awake, always aware-it just knows the right time and place to manifest. And exactly where the border that will lead to it's destruction lies.

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RE: Ethical Sadism - 9/29/2007 10:06:32 PM

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quote:

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There should be a book written The Ethical Sadist just like the book The Ethical Slut. What i found ridiculous about that other thread was the fact that as long as you used different terms like "pain play" or for masochists "pain slut" everything was ok. If you enjoy pain play you are either a sadist or a masochist. You cannot hide from what you are by sticking a different label on yourself that you think makes you look more acceptable, nor should you want to.

You know, I posted this and then I had to go to work. While I was there tonight, I thought a few times about this topic. You said exactly what I was thinking...there ought to be a book. The Ethical Sadist. I think that it would help a lot of people come to terms with their sadisitic tendencies. Especially early in their journey, I think many of them are conflicted by guilt from social conditioning.

I also agree, you are what you are and a softer or more acceptable label won't change that.

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RE: Ethical Sadism - 9/29/2007 10:15:04 PM

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ORIGINAL: BitaTruble
In a way I feel a bit sorry that Himself can't, truly, let that inner beast out to tear and claw and kill because I'm under no such restriction.

I can relate to this and have often felt the same. Further though, I don't really understand HOW they maintain control. I am thankful that I don't have that kind of responsibility and like you, I'm free to fly. As I am not a sadist I can only view it through the perspective of my own submission. I know that when I am at that jumping off point, I could no more control that then I could part the sea. So that is the moment in sadism that always puzzles me, how they reel themselves in or keep the length of the leash controllable.

Also Celeste, thank you for that copy/paste of your words. Awesome!

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RE: Ethical Sadism - 9/29/2007 10:17:18 PM

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true, Thank you for the compliment. It's really good to see you on the boards. Hope all is going great and you're feeling well.

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RE: Ethical Sadism - 9/30/2007 12:27:01 AM

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Wow!

If I quoted every meaningful, well written, and/or insightful post in this thread, I'd probably be quoting the entire damn thread. So I won't.

All I'll say is...yes.

Thanks everyone for expressing the beautiful nature of ethical Sadists, and what they do for we masochists as they take what they can...they truly do put the world at our feet.

I love my Sadistic Master and applaud all Sadists who are like him, in that they embrace their whole selves with responsibility!!!!!

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RE: Ethical Sadism - 9/30/2007 8:45:35 AM

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The following is not anything new that I haven't said before. In fact, what is said here is mostly just a copy and paste of several posts into one and edited for flow.

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What is this inner beast? Personally.... I don't identify with this particular concept. I am who I am. There is no beast within that needs to be fed... but maybe it is just a matter of semantics. For what some call the inner beast... I just identify as my inner self.
My inner self is what is within me that motivate me. I see my inner self as not something that must be fed from my external world, but it is the drives and motivations of how I will interact with my external world. I am more of a person than just a Sadist. In my play experiences... my motivations are demonstrated very specifically in those particular dynamics by the behaviors people can witness. However, I am also a Master, parent, son, friend, employee, manager and a few other things as well. How I interact in these various interactions are motivated from within my self. I "receive and take" from these various interactions that which provides for me the gratifications that am motivated to have.

I have found that the closer I am able to demonstrate my inner self in my daily interactions the more gratified and happy my life is. So if I am to feed that inner beast as people call it... or as I consider it... I seek to gratify myself within my interactions. I must have the right interactions that will give this gratification. I gain an immense amount of pleasure and happiness from my interactions with alandra and kyra. If I wish to continue to enjoy the pleasures that these relationships bring me, I need to continue to be the person that earned these specific relationships in the first place. I have found that the best way to continue to be that person is to be true to thy self. In the end, I am responsible for being my own self, just as my girls are responsible to be their own self. We are who we are and being who we are is what feeds us.

When I play with my girls and my play partners, my actions besides giving me intense pleasure in the causing of pain, is also a deep expression of my capacity to love of self and others. I don’t understand those self-claimed Sadist that they are playing with the beast. In many ways, I consider such statements as ego and image building that is rather shallow and of no significances. I do not play with the Beast. I do not chain such an animal in myself or let it out a little to do what I do. I do not equate my acts as being a bad boy or evil or other such dramatics. My sadist acts are very much an expression of who I am. In the story of Beauty and the Beast, I often look at that story and see a view that most do not see. Selfishness of oneself can turn to disregard to others and show an immoral beast/person. But, when Love is expressed outwardly towards others the beast/self is guided in a completely different direction. We all have this beast of nature within/part of who we are, but it is our character strengths and virtues that will guide this beast/self. We are the beast… it is not separate entity within us.

Once a person establishes and accepts that they are a Sadist to some degree or another. Then I would suggest they look deeper into the exceptions and conditions of when you enjoy the inflicting of pain. Seek to understand and grow your own self-awareness of this part of you. Secondly, Many Sadists seem to see the sadistic part of them as some beast or bad part of them. Personally, as I said I don't understand this line of thinking. I like all who I am... but first and foremost I am an ethical and moral person. This is the core of who I am. It is my thought that this core self is what guides me in all my many facets and not just my sadistic desires. My sadism is guided by the principles that are internal to who I am. I am an Ethical Sadist.. but first I am an Ethical Person. My enjoyment of inflicting pain has boundaries that I don't cross. I can do what I do and look in the mirror and like myself because of it.

< Message edited by KnightofMists -- 9/30/2007 8:50:11 AM >

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