Padriag
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This discussion does absolutely fascinate me. Just to offer some different perspectives from a non-spiritual point of view.
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ORIGINAL: ElektraUkM
Putting complete faith in God, and putting complete faith in Master are (to me) very similar practices. (not meaning to compare Master to God! Just meaning that the practice is the same)
I would never have looked at it that way, to me they are totally different things. To me, God or any other deity are unknowns vs a Master who is physically present, tangible, known, etc. I thought about that and it was actually something from the Bible that I recalled which reminded me of what I was forgetting.
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Now faith is the substance of things hoped for, the evidence of things not seen. Hebrews 11:1
That faith, to a person of faith, makes God tangible in the absense of tangible proof. That is, for a submissive of faith, God is as real as their Master.
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ORIGINAL: mossy
Add to this for me::: honesty, honor, loyalty, integrity, work, cleanliness/ inner and outer kindness, caring, truth, selflessness, compassion,
For me these things are not spiritual, they are what I call ethics. When I say I look for ethical qualities in someone else, the above is a good shopping list of what I mean. But what is interesting to me is that you consider them spiritual qualities. If you could elaborate on that I'd be very interested in hearing your thoughts.
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ORIGINAL: LadySonelle
I do not require that My slaves attend the same church as I do, but I do want them to adhere to some form of spiritual exercise or worship. It is important to their well rounded development as it is to Mine.
I would never require a slave to attend or not attend any sort of religious services, it something I believe should be a personal choice and it is one area of a slave's life where I will not interfere or exercise any control. But the rest of your point reminded me of something else I'd like to share which some of you might find of interest. This is from Adlerian Counselling: A Practicioner's Approach - Thomas J Sweeney (4th Ed.)
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The Five Major Tasks of Life
Adler believed that everyone is confronted by at least three major life tasks: Work, Friendship, and Love. Research during the last several decades fortifies the position these are indeed central life tasks to health and well-being. In addition, Mosak and Dreikers (1967) identified a forth and fifth task only alluded to by Adler. The fourth task is dealing with one's spiritual self in relation to the universe, God, or higher power. The fifth task concerns the individua's success in coping with self as subject, I, and as object, me.
Spirituality
Spirituality only recently has become a major topic of consideration among the helping professions. There is a growing awareness that it is a part of the human condition to need and want to deal with personal existential issues. As noted in chapter 2, research is corroborating the position that spirituality is a key component to both longevity and quality of life. Until recently, it has been relegated principally to the responsibility of the clergy.
I have generally found Adlerian Psychology useful, and although I personally disagree with the importance of spirituality, I do see its importance to others. More importantly to me personally is that most of the submissives I have dealt with have been spiritual in some way, ascribed to some religious belief. While I am not spiritual, I recognize it in others and their need for it. So imagine my quandry, I'm a dominant who identifies as a Master and as such feels a responsibility to care for any slave I own, to address and ensure their needs are met... so how does a non-spiritual Master deal with the spiritual needs of a slave? This is one of the main reasons I've paid attention to this thread and the comments made in it, why I try to understand the various points of views and also why I have paid particular attention to how Adlerian Counseling deals with spirituality even if I personally disagree with it.
Thoughts, commnents, etc. are welcome and I would hope more would post their experiences, beliefs, etc. The more you know... you know?
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Padriag
A stern discipline pervades all nature, which is a little cruel so that it may be very kind - Edmund Spencer
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