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Interesting the assumptions being made - did you consider a third option?   i work in the field of rehabilitation.  Thanks anyway for implying i am a lier. 

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*smiles* if you say so.  Or you could say people so addicted to a substance would say anything, use any rationalization to be able to keep doing it.   i'm not trying to take away anyones blankie - just hoping it doesn't strangle you one day. 

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*smiles* if you say so.  Or you could say people so addicted to a substance would say anything, use any rationalization to be able to keep doing it.   i'm not trying to take away anyones blankie - just hoping it doesn't strangle you one day. 

right back atcha....this slave hopes you never need something to take your pain away, or your nausea for that matter, and find yourself confronted with self-righteous know-nothings in charge of who is allowed to have what, in their personal or medical best interest.

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Interesting the assumptions being made - did you consider a third option?   i work in the field of rehabilitation.  Thanks anyway for implying i am a lier. 

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Interesting the assumptions being made - did you consider a third option?   i work in the field of rehabilitation.  Thanks anyway for implying i am a lier. 

No - If I'd know that I wouldn't have argued with you. I'd understand that you have a need to protect your job and career and rationalize its existence. It would be the same as someone working OSHA saying that all workplaces in their district are "safe". It will never happen because all the inspectors and the worthless bureaucrats who support them would be out of work.

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my passion on this subject comes from watching those i love die - like my uncle who was writing and frothing at the mouth - my last imaage of him when i was nine.  my brothers, both of whom began with pot.  One had a heroin overdose and i had to stand in the ER watching as a team of doctors tried to save his life and only gave him a 30 percent chance of making it.  One of my best friends growing up, we parted ways after high school - she was one of those who smoked pot in the back of the school - beautiful girl, intelligent, had scholarship to an ivy league - when i returned to NY at 22 she ended up a prostitute on the street to support her habit and eventually died of aids.  It almost killed her mother, she was an only child.  i was with her the last days and held her hand so angry at what drugs did to her and her family. 

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i will ask again - stop making assumptions about me to defend something you rationalize as a good thing.

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i will ask you directly - should everyone close shop, leave drug addicts alone and say hey it's all good, go ahead whatever feels good?  Are you saying no one who smokes pot ever goes on to harder drugs, or for that matter a lifetime of pot smoking alone is ever a problem?

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I say put the tobacco farmers back to work and let them grow marijuana then sell it, tax it and put the South Americans out of the “pot” business.

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right back atcha....this slave hopes you never need something to take your pain away, or your nausea for that matter, and find yourself confronted with self-righteous know-nothings in charge of who is allowed to have what, in their personal or medical best interest.

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i will ask you directly - should everyone close shop, leave drug addicts alone and say hey it's all good, go ahead whatever feels good? Are you saying no one who smokes pot ever goes on to harder drugs, or for that matter a lifetime of pot smoking alone is ever a problem?

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*smiles* if you say so.  Or you could say people so addicted to a substance would say anything, use any rationalization to be able to keep doing it.   i'm not trying to take away anyones blankie - just hoping it doesn't strangle you one day. 

right back atcha....this slave hopes you never need something to take your pain away, or your nausea for that matter, and find yourself confronted with self-righteous know-nothings in charge of who is allowed to have what, in their personal or medical best interest.

Don't put words in my mouth please... i never said to deprive people of any substance for medical purposes.  i do suffer pain daily as i have fibromyalgia, i have been given vicodin which i will take sparingly on my worste days.  Pot for cancer patients, if it relieves their suffering i would never be against.  What i won't do is take a substance to alter my emotional/mental state of mind - i enjoy life and being in the moment too much for that.  i come from a whole lineage of addicts and have seen too much suffering in my lifetime to ever feel differently. 

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i will ask you directly - should everyone close shop, leave drug addicts alone and say hey it's all good, go ahead whatever feels good? Are you saying no one who smokes pot ever goes on to harder drugs, or for that matter a lifetime of pot smoking alone is ever a problem?

Did you forget my inquiry? 

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i will ask you directly - should everyone close shop, leave drug addicts alone and say hey it's all good, go ahead whatever feels good?  Are you saying no one who smokes pot ever goes on to harder drugs, or for that matter a lifetime of pot smoking alone is ever a problem?

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And are you saying that everyone who smokes pot goes on to harder drugs? At least its good to see you are off the idea of free PCP being added.

No not saying everyone, just many.  i stated what i know about pcp and pot - why the need to go back and repeat myself?

What I'm saying is that the hypocrisy of "legal" should be eliminated. Whether you close shop or not is market driven. You happen to be in an industry that has government help in generating clients. Judges giving sentences of "rehabilitation" or jail support you.

The rehabilitation i am involved in has nothing to do with judge mandated sentences - they are way beyond that point by the time i see them. 

i wonder how you would feel if there were no resources for drug addicts in your little neck of the woods, and it became affected by desperate drug addicts looking for a fix - circumstance determines attitude.

If a person who used marijuana wasn't considered a criminal he wouldn't appear in front of the judge in the first place and your industry would need to find another source of business.

Doesn't mean it's still not going to effect his life.

Why support hypocrisy? Are you as adamant and out there trying to get prohibition back on the book? At least in that case you have medical and empirical evidence supporting the position you have concerning marijuana. You can overdose from alcohol and its effects on the human body are well researched and documented. Are you out there trying to get prescription pain killers off the market? Here again you have virtually limitless evidence of overdosing and detrimental long term effect.

i just speak my heart and experiences and try to help those who want and need help.  There is nothing more futile then trying to help an addict who doesn't "need" help - learned that a longggggggg time ago.  In fact traditional rehabs don't want addicts coming to them for help unless they are 100% on board and admit they have a problem and need the help.  Yes they do get court mandated clients they have to suffer, but they don't waste too much effort on them. 

I support two position in the macro - personal choice and the elimination of hypocrisy. The drug issue provides a great arena to address both.

Would personal choice include informed choice? i hope so because you paint the rosey picture which is misleading - that may be your experience but there are many out there who have such addictable personalities/chemistries that one substance will lead to another and they will loose control of their lives - are you saying this never happens? 

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Interesting the assumptions being made - did you consider a third option?   i work in the field of rehabilitation.  Thanks anyway for implying i am a lier. 

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*smiles* if you say so.  Or you could say people so addicted to a substance would say anything, use any rationalization to be able to keep doing it.   i'm not trying to take away anyones blankie - just hoping it doesn't strangle you one day. 

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and if you were allergic to vicodin/oxycontin, etc. and found marijuana to be a terrific all-natural substitute for your pain relief with the added bonus that it eliminates your nausea and stops the puke-cycle, how would you respond to someone who talks a bunch of fear-mongering, urban-myth passing, misinformation about it and in response to your support of said medicine says things like:
 
"i'm not trying to take away anyone's blankie, just hoping it doesn't strangle you one day"
 
this slave didn't put words in your mouth, merely called you on yours.  why would you say that to anyone who found relief from marijuana-for any reason, physical or mental...and this slave isn't talking about your junkie friends and relatives...she's talking about folks with positive experiences, who have documented biological illnesses, not the "disease" of drug addiction.

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Interesting the assumptions being made - did you consider a third option?   i work in the field of rehabilitation.  Thanks anyway for implying i am a lier. 

No - If I'd know that I wouldn't have argued with you. I'd understand that you have a need to protect your job and career and rationalize its existence. It would be the same as someone working OSHA saying that all workplaces in their district are "safe". It will never happen because all the inspectors and the worthless bureaucrats who support them would be out of work.

How about instead of making jabs at me say what you mean to say - why leave it up for interpretation of reading between the lines of subtle insults to me? 

i will ask you directly - should everyone close shop, leave drug addicts alone and say hey it's all good, go ahead whatever feels good?  Are you saying no one who smokes pot ever goes on to harder drugs, or for that matter a lifetime of pot smoking alone is ever a problem? 

i don't have a need to protect anything, much of my passion on this subject comes from watching those i love die - like my uncle who was writing and frothing at the mouth - my last imaage of him when i was nine.  my brothers, both of whom began with pot.  One had a heroin overdose and i had to stand in the ER watching as a team of doctors tried to save his life and only gave him a 30 percent chance of making it.  One of my best friends growing up, we parted ways after high school - she was one of those who smoked pot in the back of the school - beautiful girl, intelligent, had scholarship to an ivy league - when i returned to NY at 22 she ended up a prostitute on the street to support her habit and eventually died of aids.  It almost killed her mother, she was an only child.  i was with her the last days and held her hand so angry at what drugs did to her and her family. 

i will ask again - stop making assumptions about me to defend something you rationalize as a good thing.

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so where is your issue?  

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Are you saying everyone who does smoke DOES do those things? 

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The issue is with hypocrisy and absolutism which discounts or is blind to reality.