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RE: War on Drugs. - 10/17/2007 5:28:33 PM   
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and if you were allergic to vicodin/oxycontin, etc. and found marijuana to be a terrific all-natural substitute for your pain relief with the added bonus that it eliminates your nausea and stops the puke-cycle, how would you respond to someone who talks a bunch of fear-mongering, urban-myth passing, misinformation about it and in response to your support of said medicine says things like:
 
"i'm not trying to take away anyone's blankie, just hoping it doesn't strangle you one day"
 
this slave didn't put words in your mouth, merely called you on yours.  why would you say that to anyone who found relief from marijuana-for any reason, physical or mental...and this slave isn't talking about your junkie friends and relatives...she's talking about folks with positive experiences, who have documented biological illnesses, not the "disease" of drug addiction.


i didn't say it to "anyone who found relief from marijuana-for any reason, physical or mental" i responded to you.  You were the first to bring up pot for medicinal purposes and i said i had no probelm with that - so where is your issue?  


why would you respond to this slave, who uses marijuana medicinally and within the guidelines of the state laws with such a statement, if indeed you wouldn't say it to anyone who finds relief from it--physically or mentally?
 

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RE: War on Drugs. - 10/17/2007 8:59:28 PM   
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Any chance y'all are talking past each other at this point? 

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RE: War on Drugs. - 10/17/2007 9:26:28 PM   
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**leaves the issue to mercnbeth because they are calmer to deal with idiocy...if not I might have to go find a fattie, of which I have not done in years, lol!!**

kc:
Ok you have said it so I have to ask about it.  Where do you find a fattie and what do you do with one once found?  Please feel free to share and do be explicit, pics will be good too.
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RE: War on Drugs. - 10/17/2007 9:38:46 PM   
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RE: War on Drugs. - 10/17/2007 9:53:02 PM   
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velvetears:
Your argument looses a lot of its creditability when on the one hand you state your competence by noting that you work in the field of drug rehabilitation (which would imply a thorough knowledge of the pharmacopeia)  and then talk nonsense about heroin over doses (no ld 50 for morphine or heroin) and pot spiked with pcp.
That sort of "boogy man" mentality may work on children and the mentally deficient but please do not abuse educated adults with that mindless drivel.
When you couple this with a condescending remark about peoples blankies and hoping that they do not strangle on their bankies.  This just serves to diminish the thrust of your argument.
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RE: War on Drugs. - 10/17/2007 11:00:29 PM   
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Children with ADD who get speed proscribed to them are LESS likely to move on to harder drugs.

Lucky little rich kids, the poor just have to self medicate which is what most drug use is and because street drugs suck and having a doctor helps, they get hooked on drugs.

Legalizing drugs would go a long way to making our society safer.  For those offended about such a comment, do you have a bunch of alcohol in the house?  Are you an alcoholic?  I rest my case.

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RE: War on Drugs. - 10/17/2007 11:02:46 PM   
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http://boards.cannabis.com/experiences/4339-anyone-tries-pcp.html

http://www.cesar.umd.edu/cesar/drugs/marijuana.asp [excerp below]

Laced Marijuana One of the dangers of smoking marijuana is the possibility that it has been laced with another, more dangerous substance such as cocaine, crack, PCP, or even embalming fluid. Dealers have been known to sell joints, blunts, or cigarettes dipped in embalming fluid and laced with PCP. Though reports of laced marijuana are infrequent, and most lacing of marijuana is done at user-level, it is important to remember that with unregulated drugs such as marijuana, the user has no way of knowing what other types of substances have been added.
http://www.clubvibes.com/forum/topic.asp?whichpage=2&topic_id=408921 - More about pot laced with meth and pcp

At any rate people are going to belive what they want to believe - what works best for them in their own lives.  beth hope your pains are helped by the weed. Not sure how things got derailed and you ended up assuming i was against pot for medicinal purposes.  my main argument is that people should be informed and there are some real dangers in smoking pot for some, especially teens.  i doubt teens question very much when they are looking to experiment and get high.  Am i an expert - hardly. Just someone who's concerned about teens doing stupid shit and ending up harmed in some way cause they thought - it's only pot. 




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RE: War on Drugs. - 10/17/2007 11:17:23 PM   
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Since cocaine and PCP are a drug on the market, the only way dealers can rid themselves of them is to hide them inside of joints for free.

I am more worried about the unregulated crap Fox news is stuffing into the airwaves than whatever people are stuffing into rolling papers.

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RE: War on Drugs. - 10/18/2007 9:13:00 AM   
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 my main argument is that people should be informed and there are some real dangers in smoking pot for some, especially teens.  i doubt teens question very much when they are looking to experiment and get high.  Am i an expert - hardly.
"Teens" shouldn't be reading this thread or even be at this website. Simply bringing them up runs the risk of having the thread pulled.

If you want to retract your statements in total that's one thing, but being sanctimonious regarding your concern for "teens" doesn't excuse the propaganda rhetoric of:
  • "Most of the pot isn't pure anymore - pcp is added."
  • "Why do you doubt there is pot laced with pcp - maybe because you enjoy it and don't want to fathom it could be laced with something you don't want to put into your system?"
  • "If you want to live in a fairy tale world where all the pot is pure go right ahead."
  • "All i am saying is at least be informed - it's not just pot your smoking anymore."
  • "here in NY it's laced with all kinds of crap."

And by the way i never said people cannot overdose on other things - you can overdose on almost anything, too much water and you die if you drink too much of it.

...EXCEPT marijuana; because as a rehabilitation worker with all the access to information that you must have, you can't find one example of this occurrence. Coming to the same self disappointing conclusion as that of the US Government. Its no wonder that the PCP 'boogie man' had to added to bring an aspect of fear. However the ultimate conclusive logic is missed. The conclusion should be toward legalization. Legalization would lead to regulation and licensing. However, supporting that would be in opposition to your industry. I appreciate the personal dilemma. 
 
Your logic and concern about overdosing and destructive properties of drugs should lead you to recommending marijuana as an alternative to those currently abusing alcohol and other drugs which do have the ability to kill from overdose.

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RE: War on Drugs. - 10/18/2007 11:04:19 AM   
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First you argued the boogie man didn't even exist - now you come back to defend why he was created by the gov.  i never argued that people overdose on pot, all i said was there's other shit in it which can lead to overdose and death, pcp is quite potent in high enough doses.   And what about all the pot heads out there driving and killing innocent people - god forbid their rights are taken into consideration.  You are looking at a tiny sliver of the problem.

You're tone is getting nasty and i would prefer not to go there.  You have your beliefs from a vested interest in an activity you enjoy.  Calling me names and putting me down won't change a thing.   i had my pov wayyyyyyyy before i ever got involved with the field i now entered.  


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RE: War on Drugs. - 10/18/2007 11:12:55 AM   
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I notice that you manage to post THREE supporting websites.

Two are just anecdotal message boards, and therefore can be discounted, the THIRD ( CESAR), while it HAS a paragraph about laced marijuana, strangely, unlike all the other paragraphs, it doesn't contain ANY Citations to real sources, and therefore can likewise be discounted.

You got any Medline cites, or something, you know, credible?


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RE: War on Drugs. - 10/18/2007 11:34:22 AM   
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Why would i waste my time in posting any cites when all it's going to be is for naught anyway. As i said earlier people believe what they want to believe, based on their life experiences, it's human.  i have no real  interest in changing your pov, just stating my own.  

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RE: War on Drugs. - 10/18/2007 12:02:12 PM   
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Why would i waste my time in posting any cites when all it's going to be is for naught anyway. As i said earlier people believe what they want to believe, based on their life experiences, it's human.  i have no real  interest in changing your pov, just stating my own.  

velvetears:
I would guess because my pov is that your pov is based on rhetoric and not reality...since rhetoric is all you have posted.
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RE: War on Drugs. - 10/18/2007 12:06:30 PM   
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snort......ima fattie smokin a fattie

edited to add, after reading more......

one of the biggest cokeheads i have ever known couldnt and wouldnt touch pot........she had tried it once and it made her paranoid.....?????

and i come from a family of old potheads and married into a family of old potheads.....the ex and his brothers had smoked daily damn near every day since the late 60's.....all of them had been at the same job for years, were good folks, and NONE ever got marijuana laced with pcp......in fact, no one i know has ever gotten it laced with pcp, except that once we got it on purpose and i forgot my name..............

everyone that smokes pot doesnt go on to become a heroin addict.......in fact, most dont.  everyone that drinks beer doesnt become an alcoholic and drive drunk and act a fool.....in fact most dont....

dammit this fattie went out.........and i burned my lips.....nothin worse than a short fattie




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RE: War on Drugs. - 10/18/2007 12:17:07 PM   
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snort......ima fattie smokin a fattie

edited to add, after reading more......

one of the biggest cokeheads i have ever known couldnt and wouldnt touch pot........she had tried it once and it made her paranoid.....?????

and i come from a family of old potheads and married into a family of old potheads.....the ex and his brothers had smoked daily damn near every day since the late 60's.....all of them had been at the same job for years, were good folks, and NONE ever got marijuana laced with pcp......in fact, no one i know has ever gotten it laced with pcp, except that once we got it on purpose and i forgot my name..............

everyone that smokes pot doesnt go on to become a heroin addict.......in fact, most dont.  everyone that drinks beer doesnt become an alcoholic and drive drunk and act a fool.....in fact most dont....

dammit this fattie went out.........and i burned my lips.....nothin worse than a short fattie




SeeksOnlyOne:
Yes there is....a fattie who is bogartin' a short fattie
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RE: War on Drugs. - 10/18/2007 12:24:01 PM   
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I can't stand pot for the record.

Your chances of getting PCP laced pot are far lower than your child going through puberty at 11 because she drinks BGH laced milk.

Besides, that isn't an argument against pot, it is an argument against pot that isn't organic.  Its like saying "don't breath because somewhere there is some oxygen laced with poison"  not false but not exactly true either.


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RE: War on Drugs. - 10/18/2007 1:46:24 PM   
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I can't stand pot for the record.

Your chances of getting PCP laced pot are far lower than your child going through puberty at 11 because she drinks BGH laced milk.

Besides, that isn't an argument against pot, it is an argument against pot that isn't organic.  Its like saying "don't breath because somewhere there is some oxygen laced with poison"  not false but not exactly true either.



Michael:
Just for the record I love it and my doctor requires me to use it.
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RE: War on Drugs. - 10/18/2007 4:56:35 PM   
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SeeksOnlyOne:
Yes there is....a fattie who is bogartin' a short fattie
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puff puff.......pass

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RE: War on Drugs. - 10/18/2007 9:46:32 PM   
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I had to do a jumpthrough.

PCP is not an ingredient to pot. Period. What you're getting is probably formaldehyde.

How do I know ? it is simple, PCP is too expemsive. Unless certain conditions exist, such as the PCP is of very poor quality and won't sell, they are not going to put it in pot for free. And if they do, they will raise the price of the pot, most likely bragging that it is laced, rather than ever trying to  hide the fact.

Years ago PCP was called T, or tea. The name was to imply that it is the purified form of the agent in pot that gets you high. This is and always has been untrue. What is in pot is THC and is a very aromatic oil at room temperature. As such it is quite difficult to distill and store.

Hashish, which is alot more widely used in Europe and other parts of the world is a fair attempt at concentrating pot. Howevere the process is nowhere near distillation, as is done with other substances.

Even though PCP is a very dangerous drug I am against it's criminalization. It is your body, what you put in it is your busines, however what you do in society is still your responsibility. I wll explain just how dangerous PCP is, and you can marvel then at the thought that I think it should be legal.

People from a certain lineage, and those with certain body chemistry types, as well as any who have any repressed feelings of anger should stay well away from PCP. They invented hinged handcuffs because of PCP, and that is because suspects in custody would break the regular handcuffs and beat up the cops. There have been instances where an assailant was shot several times in the chest and it did not stop him. Yes the assailant died, just not fast enough.

To understand this is to understand the buzz. There is no pain. I mean NO PAIN at all. I mean you could cut your arm off with a chainsaw and not bat an eyelash. It is an extremely powerful drug, given to million dollar race horses so the vet can cut them wide open for an operation while still awake. It has similar effect on humans. When I say there is no pain that is exactly what I mean, and if it weren't for certain other properties it could replace morphine as the ultimate painkiller in medical facilities.

I mean you could be all snorked up on morphine even, and cut through your skin without much problem, but on PCP you can cut through the bone. You can do anything. It might kill you but you can do it. You might bleed to death, but during that time you can hurt and kill others.

This is a very far cry from THC, the active ingredient in pot. That stuff has no real stimulating effect. At least not of this magnitude.

After reading this post you will have heard of someone really fucking up on pot.

A friend of mine, a long time ago hit a joint while driving. It must have been some good shit because he blacked out, or as we call it, caught a rush. When he awoke, he was fine, but his Wife who was riding with him was in the hospital in very bad shape. She was beautiful before, but was severely marred in the accident. And this was not laced.

Actually in my crowd, we liked the pot. If we wanted PCP in it we would go buy some and put it in, but we all knew what that meant. It's like this, PCP is a very powerful buzz, and you can't shake it off. You figure if you do it you stay put. Realistically, if you haven't, I suggest you never even try PCP in any form. It may be the last thing you do, but there is one thing certain, they are not giving you this very expensive drug (if it is any damn good) in a nickel bag of pot, unless they are charging you extra. Weed is $150-400 an ounce these days, they just can't afford to put it in.

PCP smells like plastic burning when smoked. It is actually made out of some of the components used in the manufacture of plastic. More precisely it smells like raw plastic, that which has not been thermoset in any way. The smell is very strong and if you smell it you know it. Get away. don't even try it and stay away from the people who are doing it, they are very dangerous, even if you have a gun.

THC does not have much of a smell. If you smoke pot of a really good joint, and the flavor is exquisite, it is not the THC that you are tasting or smelling, merely other components derived from the ground by the plant. Some of these aromas are taken to be indicators that the pot is potent, but I don't buy it. Even though some growers tout their good tasting pot, it is not proof that it is rich in THC. The THC burns almost oderlessly.

I am now prepared to unhijack.

Pot is pretty much illegal because growing hemp is illegal. Growing hemp is illegal chiefly because of oil and drug companies. Hemp can replace many of the components derived from cracking petroleum. Hemp would have a serious impact on the oil business and the drug business, and would change the textile industry greatly. They do not want that.The cabinet for your PC monitor can be made mostly from hemp, as can a nice shirt, and the pill you take every day. No it is not just THC, hemp has many more beneficial compounds in it. They don't like that.

There are other opinions I have, but this is not the time nor the place right now. If you judge the government's actions, and get an idea of their motives therefrom, it gets very ugly.

Generally THC is a mild sedative for almost everybody, while PCP can have either a stimulative effect or a relaxative effect (making up words again ? ). In that way it is much like alcohol. It depends on the person taking it as well as their psyche. If you are in a bad mood you shouldn't take either. But you could burn one. (unlaced)

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RE: War on Drugs. - 10/19/2007 12:57:28 AM   
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Why would i waste my time in posting any cites when all it's going to be is for naught anyway. As i said earlier people believe what they want to believe, based on their life experiences, it's human. i have no real interest in changing your pov, just stating my own.


If you're going to state your own pov, why post cites to 3 websites which only appear to provide support, but don't support your contention in any way?

The simple fact that the ONLY somewhat credible source you did cite DOESN'T ITSELF support the claim of "Laced Marijuana" with any citations to credible sources should cause you to reconsider your own beliefs.



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