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RE: Over population - 10/19/2007 2:53:36 PM

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Budda says all is as it should be..............bitches.

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RE: Over population - 10/19/2007 3:02:16 PM

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...I think you are worrying too much about US over dependency on oil than world dependency. Most people in the world have little contact with oil, its a developed world depency. Mules and oxen tend to run on grass. China is already making plans for a post oil world, it is the west that has its head in the sand on this issue.

The business papers, from TIME to Forbes, say that China is INcreasing its buying (and presumably consumption) of oil, not DEcreasing...or is that their idea of weaning themselves off? Use it all up, so we don't have to worry about a future collapse?

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RE: Over population - 10/19/2007 3:08:08 PM

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...I think you are worrying too much about US over dependency on oil than world dependency. Most people in the world have little contact with oil, its a developed world depency. Mules and oxen tend to run on grass. China is already making plans for a post oil world, it is the west that has its head in the sand on this issue.

The business papers, from TIME to Forbes, say that China is INcreasing its buying (and presumably consumption) of oil, not DEcreasing...or is that their idea of weaning themselves off? Use it all up, so we don't have to worry about a future collapse?

China is buying more and more oil in the short term but it is planning for the long term which is why it is investing billions of dollars in new technology and such things as a new transport network of Maglevs which it hopes eventually will replace all internal dependency of planes.

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RE: Over population - 10/19/2007 3:09:50 PM

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Yes, but their buyout of oil, means that there will be less left for the countries that still need it!

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RE: Over population - 10/19/2007 3:11:20 PM

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Yes, but their buyout of oil, means that there will be less left for the countries that still need it!

Tough. That is how the world works. Perhaps other countries should invest in the future too and not wait until they reach a crisis.

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RE: Over population - 10/19/2007 3:38:49 PM

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Zero population growth is not sufficient. The population needs to be reduced drastically by birth control restrictions: no conceptions before the age of 25, only two children for natural mothers and only one child for all other women (twins excepted on condition that only one of them reproduces).

Four requirements are necessary to enable these birth control restrictions: 1) spiritual awareness, 2) better health care (i.e. no more cancer, heart disease and sexually transmitted diseases), 3) improved standard of living (poverty stimulates reproduction), 4) no more wars.

The aging population is the biggest problem for most governments and they need younger generations to look after those that have retired. That’s why trying to fix the problem at the root fails. Instead I think it is time for Logan’s run.

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RE: Over population - 10/19/2007 3:41:47 PM

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That simply puts China's "interests" further into conflict with our own...Other threads have commented on how "racist" America can get when solving conflicts...
When people get desperate enough, death isn't a big enough deterrent...Witness China's FDA wannabe!
So don't you think another war would be in the offing, or by then, will America be too weak to threaten other countries?
Or will they just buy the USA outright?
Heck, they're already forcing Yahoo and Google to comply with their wishes! So much for the "Power of the Multinational", huh?

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RE: Over population - 10/19/2007 4:07:11 PM

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China is also slowly changing and this is due to multinationals demanding it. Do you think China would be holding local elections if it could avoid it? They are far from what the rest of the world would like them to be especially on issues such as human rights but I don’t think they are only playing lip service to the rest of the world. At some point they will become a fully fledged consumer nation rather than just one that provides cheap labour for western companies. When that happens will they still be working in the sweat shops? What nations will they produce products for if the rest of the world has no consumer influence anymore? At some point production will switch back to the rest of the world to produce products for China. We will all have the same living standards but be working in different ways. Living standards are relative within each nation. Often you hear how little someone working in a China earns but what they forget is that in China a single dollar goes a long way.

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RE: Over population - 10/19/2007 4:10:50 PM

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That simply puts China's "interests" further into conflict with our own.

Well, as long as US Foreign and Domestic Policy is run by fucking idiots.

It's 1970's technology, and would cost LESS than the Occupation of Iraq, and would provide UNLIMITED ENERGY with ZERO EMISSIONS.

It's Space Based Solar. And it's 1970's technology. And we're fucking IDIOTS for not building it now.

It's raining soup and we're too fucking dumb to build a bucket.

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RE: Over population - 10/19/2007 4:22:34 PM

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China is also slowly changing and this is due to multinationals demanding it....At some point they will become a fully fledged consumer nation rather than just one that provides cheap labour for western companies. When that happens will they still be working in the sweat shops? What nations will they produce products for if the rest of the world has no consumer influence anymore? At some point production will switch back to the rest of the world to produce products for China. We will all have the same living standards but be working in different ways. Living standards are relative within each nation. Often you hear how little someone working in a China earns but what they forget is that in China a single dollar goes a long way.

Absolutely, but 2 points about outsourced manufacturing:
#1: Some families RELY on it out there, it doesn't pay much, but the American Bosses are a lot more generous than their own...and they're still following the laws OF THAT COUNTRY, because their countries haven't had a Horace Mann (Children out of factories and into schools), or other pesky reformers...
#2: The other thing is that the Corporations tell us how much cheaper the labor is out there, and how much more expensive things would get if they were "forced" to make things in America, but while I see quality decreasing drastically, I have NOT seen a drop in price...If anything, I see an increase! (Insert joke about $200 sneakers, literally worth killing for in some bad neighborhoods)

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It's Space Based Solar. And it's 1970's technology. And we're fucking IDIOTS for not building it now.
It's raining soup and we're too fucking dumb to build a bucket.

I agree with you...when I was 8, I sent in a design for a solar-cell pyramid, out in space, anchored to the Statue of Liberty by a long copper cord. (Hey, I was 8, it was the highest CONDUCTIVE point I could think of at the time!)
Surprisingly, I got taken seriously--and seriously rejected! They'd already thought of it, and decided it was too expensive to build solar-cells of THAT magnitude!

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RE: Over population - 10/20/2007 4:56:02 AM

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