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is it wrong to want forced slavery? - 11/7/2007 4:12:59 AM

untrainedKajira

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Many people have said that it is wrong to want it, as some people believe it can be inhumane.
but what if thats what people need? i am someone wanting this and i have been looked down apon and i just have to ask,
Is it wrong to want to become a forced slave?

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RE: is it wrong to want forced slavery? - 11/7/2007 4:15:22 AM

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RE: is it wrong to want forced slavery? - 11/7/2007 4:27:01 AM

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Do what is best for you but do not try to force onto others. Not everyone wants to be, nor was meant to be a slave. If people all wanted to be slaves why do you think people have fought so hard for freedom? Its because not all people want to be slaves.

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RE: is it wrong to want forced slavery? - 11/7/2007 4:37:42 AM

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I definatly don't look down on anyone for things they like. Everyone is different embrase who you are and don't care what anyone else thinks. Anyone who looks down on someone else because of their likes or dislikes or anything else for that matter are intolerant, and there not worth listening to them anyone. It surprises me that even people in this lifestyle can be intolerant of other people.

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RE: is it wrong to want forced slavery? - 11/7/2007 5:20:15 AM

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do what you feel you are comfortable with, good luck

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RE: is it wrong to want forced slavery? - 11/7/2007 6:39:52 AM

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quote:

ORIGINAL: untrainedKajira

Many people have said that it is wrong to want it, as some people believe it can be inhumane.
but what if thats what people need? i am someone wanting this and i have been looked down apon and i just have to ask,
Is it wrong to want to become a forced slave?

I think this is rather complex.

If it's something that you want for you as a slave, you can want what you want but you might wish to be careful about trying to fulfill that fantasy because if you fall into non-consensual slavery you may never get out of it. At first it may not be "forced" because you want it but I think your fantasy will prove quite different than reality should you find yourself in such a system.

If however you want to force someone to be your slave I'd recommend sticking to the fantasy because you will open yourself up to all sorts of legal problems almost anywhere you go on the Earth today.

Fantasy and desire do not equal need to act upon them. If you act be prepared for whatever consequences may arise though I think one can only be prepared in theory.

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RE: is it wrong to want forced slavery? - 11/7/2007 6:43:39 AM

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Yes, it's wrong to want forced slavery. But luckily, that's not what you're looking for. You "want" this... so it's not really "forced," is it?

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RE: is it wrong to want forced slavery? - 11/7/2007 6:44:05 AM

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Because the dominants you are talking to don't want to go to prison for forcing you. That's what's wrong.

Actually what I'm getting a sense of is that you want to abdicate all personal responsibility, "I can't help it, he made me do this". You can want that but very few healthy people want relationships with someone who won't take responsibility for their actions.

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RE: is it wrong to want forced slavery? - 11/7/2007 6:55:21 AM

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if this works for you - fine

however, i prefer to have a choice than forced into something i don't want

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RE: is it wrong to want forced slavery? - 11/7/2007 7:07:59 AM

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You "want" this... so it's not really "forced," is it?

That was my thought when i read the OP

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RE: is it wrong to want forced slavery? - 11/7/2007 7:10:43 AM

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quote:

ORIGINAL: untrainedKajira

Many people have said that it is wrong to want it, as some people believe it can be inhumane.
but what if thats what people need? i am someone wanting this and i have been looked down apon and i just have to ask,
Is it wrong to want to become a forced slave?

My own opinion...yes. To me, it speaks of someone who never wants to face up to their own decisions and bear the consequences of them. That may not be your mindset...you may well indeed come from the aspect of "I accept the responsibility for being forced into this...I chose to fight becoming a slave and was forced into it...he/she won and now I pay the price for what I wanted". But there again, if you want it, then you are making a choice...though a rather complex, mind-twisting one...to get to where you want to be and it is one that allows abdication of your responsibility in choosing a partner who will help you become what you want.

I like someone who takes responsibility for their choices. I would rather lay out what I am, what I like and don't like, act the way I do at all times and find out whether or not that dominant chord I strike resonates in harmonious accord with the strings within the submissive. Having her freely submit her will to me, even with occasional challenges either serious or playful, means much more than overpowering someone into doing something that I would always be reminding myself came from an initial position of unwillingness.

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RE: is it wrong to want forced slavery? - 11/7/2007 8:51:35 AM

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if you love what you are or who you are it is really never forced lol

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RE: is it wrong to want forced slavery? - 11/7/2007 8:52:21 AM

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You "want" this... so it's not really "forced," is it?

Ditto!

Aside from the fact that slavery, false imprisonment, or even rape for that matter, are illegal acts in our country - the excitement about the notion of enacting either or all of them is not. But as stated above - how forced could it be if you actually seek it out?

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RE: is it wrong to want forced slavery? - 11/7/2007 9:01:49 AM

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Fast reply

I once had a girl who felt that she had to be "forced". Worst decision that I ever made. For she was simply a moccher-someone using that idea to get free rides from dominant men. She pretty much refused to be of any service,thinking that she could earn her way on her back-and was not all that good , even at that.

Experienced Dominants are going to tend to shy away from women who will not take personal responsibility for themselves-they are trouble. And those who will?

Be careful what you ask for-the reality seldom matches the fantasy.

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RE: is it wrong to want forced slavery? - 11/7/2007 9:27:07 AM

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I don't think it is so strange that the OP is seeking advice on this topic. Many people fantasize about forced situations; it is quite a hot trigger for a lot of people, including me, and of course, I am well aware that in whatever I do, I am choosing to feel forced and I never abdicate anything, it is always my choice and my partners are aware of that.

In that way, you are being empowered by your own choices, not, as some have written, being a person who cannot face up to responsibility, how generalized of a statement.

As the OP is quite young, I believe a more thoughtful answer should be provided in this case; one given probably by more experienced submissives or slaves who have enjoyed the "forced" feelings than by Dominants who see this desire as a threat, instead of a fantasy that can easily be dealt with.

That is why the psychological aspect is so important; we can live out our fantasies without fear of reprisals if we are aware of each other's needs.

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RE: is it wrong to want forced slavery? - 11/7/2007 9:36:43 AM

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quote:

ORIGINAL: sexyred1

I don't think it is so strange that the OP is seeking advice on this topic. Many people fantasize about forced situations; it is quite a hot trigger for a lot of people, including me, and of course, I am well aware that in whatever I do, I am choosing to feel forced and I never abdicate anything, it is always my choice and my partners are aware of that.

In that way, you are being empowered by your own choices, not, as some have written, being a person who cannot face up to responsibility, how generalized of a statement.

As the OP is quite young, I believe a more thoughtful answer should be provided in this case; one given probably by more experienced submissives or slaves who have enjoyed the "forced" feelings than by Dominants who see this desire as a threat, instead of a fantasy that can easily be dealt with.

That is why the psychological aspect is so important; we can live out our fantasies without fear of reprisals if we are aware of each other's needs.

At the same time,she should be made aware of why those who ARE experienced enough to facillitate this desire-may not wish to. And that those who wish to-may be doing it for entirely the wrong reasons.

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RE: is it wrong to want forced slavery? - 11/7/2007 9:40:01 AM

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Wrong? i can't say that what someone else desires is wrong but i can put my two cents in from my own experience.

i thought that i would need to be forced.....i thought that i would push and be a brat and ultimately my Master would brea me and force me to do as he wished.

That was the fantasy....to be made to be a better version of myself...the self i knew was inside but that didn't know how to make its way to the surface without force.

What i haave learned, for myself anyway, is that i didn't need to be forced. Somehow, through my Daddy's, Jedi Mind Trick Mastery i have been able to be the girl that i thought would only become from being forced.

The other things that are important to note on this topic....If i am being forced, then how much am i actually submitting? Isn't it my job to submit with as little trouble as possible? To us, what matters most is when i JUST submit...JUST obey....even when it is difficult to do so, and especially when it is.

The other thing i realized, is if my Daddy had forced me....he would have ALWAYS had to force me....the cycle would be one of FORCE-SURRENDER.....FORCE-SURRENDER.....and so on....the effects of being forced would wear off only to make it necessary to force me again.....Making me have to just submit the effects last much longer, i still have my "moments" but i submit more than not.

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RE: is it wrong to want forced slavery? - 11/7/2007 9:42:53 AM

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quote:

ORIGINAL: RRafe

quote:

ORIGINAL: sexyred1

I don't think it is so strange that the OP is seeking advice on this topic. Many people fantasize about forced situations; it is quite a hot trigger for a lot of people, including me, and of course, I am well aware that in whatever I do, I am choosing to feel forced and I never abdicate anything, it is always my choice and my partners are aware of that.

In that way, you are being empowered by your own choices, not, as some have written, being a person who cannot face up to responsibility, how generalized of a statement.

As the OP is quite young, I believe a more thoughtful answer should be provided in this case; one given probably by more experienced submissives or slaves who have enjoyed the "forced" feelings than by Dominants who see this desire as a threat, instead of a fantasy that can easily be dealt with.

That is why the psychological aspect is so important; we can live out our fantasies without fear of reprisals if we are aware of each other's needs.

At the same time,she should be made aware of why those who ARE experienced enough to facillitate this desire-may not wish to. And that those who wish to-may be doing it for entirely the wrong reasons.

sorry RRafe, I cannot agree that feeling a desire is wrong for any reason and acting upon it SAFELY and with the right person would be a bad thing. Perhaps I was lucky when I was 18 like the OP and my first partners understood my intelligence and awareness of my own needs and limits. I can only the OP finds similar partners in her quest.

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RE: is it wrong to want forced slavery? - 11/7/2007 9:45:39 AM

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Wrong? i can't say that what someone else desires is wrong but i can put my two cents in from my own experience.

i thought that i would need to be forced.....i thought that i would push and be a brat and ultimately my Master would brea me and force me to do as he wished.

That was the fantasy....to be made to be a better version of myself...the self i knew was inside but that didn't know how to make its way to the surface without force.

What i haave learned, for myself anyway, is that i didn't need to be forced. Somehow, through my Daddy's, Jedi Mind Trick Mastery i have been able to be the girl that i thought would only become from being forced.

The other things that are important to note on this topic....If i am being forced, then how much am i actually submitting? Isn't it my job to submit with as little trouble as possible? To us, what matters most is when i JUST submit...JUST obey....even when it is difficult to do so, and especially when it is.

The other thing i realized, is if my Daddy had forced me....he would have ALWAYS had to force me....the cycle would be one of FORCE-SURRENDER.....FORCE-SURRENDER.....and so on....the effects of being forced would wear off only to make it necessary to force me again.....Making me have to just submit the effects last much longer, i still have my "moments" but i submit more than not.

Yes. And I really don't want to be in a constant battle of micromanaging someone. Or changing her diapers, because she needs to be confined in restraints or a cage to comply. The long and short of it is this...............

When my input exceeds a slave's output-she becomes a deficit. And no dominant can really afford that.

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RE: is it wrong to want forced slavery? - 11/7/2007 9:53:07 AM

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Let's be clear what you are literally asking for is illegal.

False imprisonment, rape and a whole lot of others things.

Just because you ask for something doesn't absolve the other person from legal responsibility.
What happens when you withdraw consent later on ?

You are 18 for God's sake, how can you possibly know how you will feel when you are 21, 25 or even 30 ?

What about your parents and relatives, how are they going to react when their daughter just disappears to be a "forced slave" ?

Enjoy your fantasy, but that's all it is, a fantasy.

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