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RE: Masters ... does it bother You ... ? - 11/12/2007 6:59:00 PM

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Greetings sakidorei,

At first, I observed the section guidelines. I thought that they meant what they said. And from that point of view, it seemed to me rude to go handing out gratuitous advice to people who were specifically seeking the perspective of a dominant woman, or another sub/slave, or a switch, for example, because I am none of those. And personally, I still tend to respect the section guidelines. I do post outside them now, from time to time, if I feel I have something relevant or humorous or of possible value or interest to contribute. But generally, I don't even read most of the other sections.

Be well,

Kirata

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RE: Masters ... does it bother You ... ? - 11/12/2007 7:01:14 PM

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OP, so that I might have a better appreciation of your point of view, and the context in which this question is asked, what is the basis for your BDSM experience? And where has your Master learned what he knows?

John

yesh Rover you know the answer to this by now, the OP will never be back and 10 people will say "the one twue way school".

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RE: Masters ... does it bother You ... ? - 11/12/2007 7:16:52 PM

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ORIGINAL: sakidorei

My question would be ... how do you feel about this complete disregard for the setup of this particular forum?

When I first joined CM, I came here mainly for the discussions in the forums. My first impression, looking at the structure and the rules stated were the same as yours, that certain forums were set aside for specific groups. However, it didn't take long to observe that in practice that was clearly not how things worked. I'll admit, it puzzled me and when I (rarely) think about it, it still does. What became clear to me was that regardless of whatever the original intent might have been, things had evolved differently. Since the moderators and the people who run CM made no effort to change this, clearly, they didn't care. So to answer your quesiton, does it bother me... no, not at all. If it doesn't bother the people who run CM, why should I concern myself with it? It doesn't interfere with me posting questions, answering others, participating in discussions and sometimes just having a good laugh. Is it how I would do things? No, but then I don't run CM... so when in Rome...

Still, being the highly organized person I am, I do tend to refrain from posting in certain forums. Virtually the only time I post in the Submissive/Slave forum is when I have questions addressed to that group. I never post in the Gorean forum since I'm not Gorean and I've never had any questions for them. Most of my own posts are found either here in Ask a Master or the General BDSM, with a few others scattered in various other forums. But that's just me, nobody is forcing me to limit where I post and it would seem that neither the management of CM nor most of the forum members really give a damn.

I tend not too look too deeply at the issue, nor see it as an indication of any larger issue. Mostly because I just don't consider it important enough to warrant that particular use of my time. I suppose some argument could be made for it being an example of the dislike of certain boundaries many people, especially westerners, have regarding free speech. The internet is a peculiar place, people say things here they won't say anywhere else. That has both good and bad points to it. Personally, I think worrying much about who is posting where is a bit silly. But equally I think the importance some seem to attach to being able to post anywhere is equally silly. And given that all kinds of questions get asked to all sorts of forums... and even when a poster asks for responses from a particular orientation they still get comments from all sorts... I can't help but think the current structure of the forum is a bit pointless as well.

So I think it is all a little weird, yet somehow it functions anyway. Life's like that sometimes, messy.

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RE: Masters ... does it bother You ... ? - 11/12/2007 7:20:54 PM

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Firstly ... Sirs Dnomyar, Vanatru, Soul Piercer, ctrialtdelete, Eclipes Above, Lord Dragonfire, and Kirata, thank you so much for the perspective that you generously supplied. i am appreciative of the time you took to answer my questions and the insight that you provided.

To Rover Sir ... thank You also for Your response ... and as to Your questions Sir ...

quote:

OP, so that I might have a better appreciation of your point of view, and the context in which this question is asked, what is the basis for your BDSM experience? And where has your Master learned what he knows?

The basis of my own bdsm experience has been over 10 years in the lifestyle as a slave Sir ... with my first Master for 2.5 years Sir. My next Master for 9 months. My third Master for 3+ years. My fourth Master for 2 years Sir. i have not been active in the public scene but was very active in the smaller circles that my Masters enjoyed and i have been a participant in a number of discussion groups, forums, and two slave coffee groups which were like munches but just for slaves Sir. i have experienced both 24/7 slavery and long distance intensive visitations with my Master of one week out of every month Sir.

As to my Master's qualifications ... because i was speaking to a Sir (You) ... i believe He choose to answer the question in a man to man way Sir ~soft smile~ He said

quote:

I am Old Guard Trained ... 5yrs formal, 5yrs Dungeon Master (pro), Published, Authored, I have an additional 3yrs informal Gorean ... total experience 15yrs, Trained, Witnessed, "Certified", even have Professional Forensic Strike Analysis training, 10yrs Military, 5 yrs Special Operations - Force RECON - AFSOC/SOCOM, bubble gum chewing, ass kicking, certified one-shot-one-kill dual black belted Mutha-fukur

I was kicking ass when you were "chillen" w/ your bros in the air conditioning and warm comfy bed with your corpulant wife. Did you enjoy your safety and freedom? You are welcome!

i hope this answers the questions that You had concerning my basis for asking my questions Sir. Again ... i thank You for taking the time to ask Sir.

~saki
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*edited for typos - & omission - error mine - saki

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RE: Masters ... does it bother You ... ? - 11/12/2007 7:24:02 PM

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Padriag Sir ... thank you so much for Your time and perspective. i see exactly what You mean ... i appreciate You taking the time to speak to me about it in such detail. Much thanks!

~saki
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RE: Masters ... does it bother You ... ? - 11/12/2007 7:25:36 PM

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ok I was half wrong the OP came back but it IS the one twue way school. I guess Master didn't teach you manners though, it's unfortunate you chose to discount any females responding, you could learn quite a bit from them.

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RE: Masters ... does it bother You ... ? - 11/12/2007 7:34:12 PM

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I will say, and again, I mean this without malice, that if high protocol is what your master is looking for you to participate in, you may feel more comfortable reading the gorean boards. They will probably have more of the structure you seek. I am dissapointed in your master that he directed you not to answer my question as to whether he had the same opinion of the masters that post in the mistress, sub/slave, or switch categories. I would have hoped even being female since I am not owned and I asked in a sincere manner, he would have graciously allowed you to answer. If there is nothing wrong with them posting on the other forums, then I would think him biased instead of observing protocol. So will He and you ignore my question? Or should I go in the slave forum as he is guiding your answers(which is his right) because then by default some might construe him posting in the slave forum.......

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RE: Masters ... does it bother You ... ? - 11/12/2007 7:42:46 PM

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It seems to me this was the orgianal post:
"My question would be ... how do you feel about this complete disregard for the setup of this particular forum? i am not trying to cause problems but i am curious about what it says in an underlying message of the state of our -community- at this time, that there does not seem to be any regard to the clearly set up format of these boards. Do you think it's another clear indicator of our -community- that Masters are either consciously or unconciously being disregarded as Dominant voices and leaders in M/s, just as we see such a concentrated emmasculation of our men in American society?"

Key Issues:
   1) I am not trying to cause problems
   2) underlying message of the ste of our -community-

Question(s):
   1) Masters are either consciously or unconciously being disregarded as Dominant voices and leaders in M/s?
   2) Just as we see such a concentrated emmasculation of our men in American society?

ANSWERS:
   Key Issues:
      1) Too late ... you stepped into a big pile of Fema-Nazi chee-aaat
      2) Yes it is ... and no it will not get better until the women stop their bad habits

   Questions:
   1) Yes we are ... especially the elite-Masters ... but then again to quote my father; "You can't argue with a 12 year old boy."
   2) Of course ... women who call themselves slave and/or subs all love the true euphoria of an emasculated man. Only a true sub/slave questions such actions and demeanor ... and cares to fix the problem

For you simply asking the question ... look at your responses ... herein lies your answers. Take down their names and press on with life ... they will continue to lose.

Master D.

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RE: Masters ... does it bother You ... ? - 11/12/2007 7:57:09 PM

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ORIGINAL: kc692

I will say, and again, I mean this without malice, that if high protocol is what your master is looking for you to participate in, you may feel more comfortable reading the gorean boards. They will probably have more of the structure you seek. I am dissapointed in your master that he directed you not to answer my question as to whether he had the same opinion of the masters that post in the mistress, sub/slave, or switch categories. I would have hoped even being female since I am not owned and I asked in a sincere manner, he would have graciously allowed you to answer. If there is nothing wrong with them posting on the other forums, then I would think him biased instead of observing protocol. So will He and you ignore my question? Or should I go in the slave forum as he is guiding your answers(which is his right) because then by default some might construe him posting in the slave forum.......

Perhaps I will ask her next time I see her post in the submissive forum, because she does post over there....smiles

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RE: Masters ... does it bother You ... ? - 11/12/2007 7:58:16 PM

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wow lots of first time posters professing their greatness tonight. Daedaus has the thought ever occurred to you that women, even submissive or owned women might posess a brain and THEIR Dom/mes encourage that? Cause buddy you ain't my Dom neither is the OP.

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RE: Masters ... does it bother You ... ? - 11/12/2007 8:02:00 PM

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laurell3 ... I will take my Father's advice and not argue w/ a 12/yr old ...

Where in what I typed did you assert your view or opionion on my blog ... it is all that Fema-Nazi view again; proof positive.

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RE: Masters ... does it bother You ... ? - 11/12/2007 8:02:24 PM

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ORIGINAL: laurell3

wow lots of first time posters professing their greatness tonight. Daedaus has the thought ever occurred to you that women, even submissive or owned women might posess a brain and THEIR Dom/mes encourage that? Cause buddy you ain't my Dom neither is the OP.

Just take down his name and move on

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RE: Masters ... does it bother You ... ? - 11/12/2007 8:06:46 PM

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By all means .. please ... take my name down and do not ever contact me.

Helps with my screening process. ;-)

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RE: Masters ... does it bother You ... ? - 11/12/2007 8:07:43 PM

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ORIGINAL: Daeldaus
2) Yes it is ... and no it will not get better until the women stop their bad habits

So you are saying women are the ones in control of how masculine a man is in his own life and relationships?

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RE: Masters ... does it bother You ... ? - 11/12/2007 8:08:35 PM

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I don't know maybe the Mod will chime in on whether you have to fit another's view of strict protocol and be a "true sub" to post in any paticular section here. I'm guessing the answer is no. I've read the TOS and the rules and the admin posts. That's the answer to the question. Your personal sexist viewpoints about women are not, thankfully, paticularly relevant to the discussion.

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When you fail to consider that I am the best judge for what is right for me, all of your opinions become suspect to me.

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RE: Masters ... does it bother You ... ? - 11/12/2007 8:10:36 PM

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ORIGINAL: Daeldaus

By all means .. please ... take my name down and do not ever contact me.

Helps with my screening process. ;-)

There is no man to me but my Daddy, and all pale in comparison... you were never in any danger of me contacting you, you are not my type....

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RE: Masters ... does it bother You ... ? - 11/12/2007 8:11:45 PM

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Blech.

See here is the crux of the matter:
"Masters are either consciously or unconciously being disregarded as Dominant voices and leaders in M/s?

I'm not saying a TWUE master should be disregarded as a dominant voice...the problem is there are other dominants out there that are not male, and should not be disregarded.(oh yeah, I know, I don't exist in your world, but yet, I'm typing, aren't I)

Oh and this gem: Yes it is ... and no it will not get better until the women stop their bad habits . I presume you mean men have none, rfl. Of course you could mean you would keep your bad habits and just expect us to get rid of ours.

I will say there are many males that I have the highest respect for,Padriag being one of them, and truly consider him dominant and one whose opinions I personally hold in high regard. There is a huge myriad of others I shall not list as the list would be too long. I also have high respect for some of the female dominants on this board and site. I also think their views should not be disregarded. However, not all the males agree on everything as not all the females. So although I may have regard for their opinions, I do not have to agree with them.

See, I would have held some respect for you, but I am seeing that you have probably not allowed your slave to answer me. Tis no matter though, because I try to be courteous to everyone, even you. Until you own this site though, you will have to keep your knickers in a wad because us smartass women actually think we have a right to post on here, because Collarme says so, and therefore it is.

Have a nice evening, it is a shame that your slave could not get more input from us smart alecky females, some of whom actually are Leather and call themselves Master. I had hoped courteous would work in this thread, but you are not worth any more of my typing., master d

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RE: Masters ... does it bother You ... ? - 11/12/2007 8:12:48 PM

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Come on kc, they missed day 1 in true Dom school. Respect is earned not demanded.

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When you fail to consider that I am the best judge for what is right for me, all of your opinions become suspect to me.

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RE: Masters ... does it bother You ... ? - 11/12/2007 8:12:56 PM

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quote:

ORIGINAL: juliaoceania

quote:

ORIGINAL: kc692

I will say, and again, I mean this without malice, that if high protocol is what your master is looking for you to participate in, you may feel more comfortable reading the gorean boards. They will probably have more of the structure you seek. I am dissapointed in your master that he directed you not to answer my question as to whether he had the same opinion of the masters that post in the mistress, sub/slave, or switch categories. I would have hoped even being female since I am not owned and I asked in a sincere manner, he would have graciously allowed you to answer. If there is nothing wrong with them posting on the other forums, then I would think him biased instead of observing protocol. So will He and you ignore my question? Or should I go in the slave forum as he is guiding your answers(which is his right) because then by default some might construe him posting in the slave forum.......

Perhaps I will ask her next time I see her post in the submissive forum, because she does post over there....smiles

Thank you, I am truly curious as to the answer.

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This is only MY opinion. If it's not yours, let's agree in advance to agree to disagree, OR, you can just get the fuck over what I had to say:)

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RE: Masters ... does it bother You ... ? - 11/12/2007 8:14:54 PM

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ORIGINAL: sakidorei

To Rover Sir ... thank You also for Your response ... and as to Your questions Sir ...

quote:

OP, so that I might have a better appreciation of your point of view, and the context in which this question is asked, what is the basis for your BDSM experience? And where has your Master learned what he knows?

The basis of my own bdsm experience has been over 10 years in the lifestyle as a slave Sir ... with my first Master for 2.5 years Sir. My next Master for 9 months. My third Master for 3+ years. My fourth Master for 2 years Sir. i have not been active in the public scene but was very active in the smaller circles that my Masters enjoyed and i have been a participant in a number of discussion groups, forums, and two slave coffee groups which were like munches but just for slaves Sir. i have experienced both 24/7 slavery and long distance intensive visitations with my Master of one week out of every month Sir.

No offense intended, but your initial post belies your experience level. It is overly reliant upon respect, and perceived disrespect... something that is most commonly found in online communities though, in truth, it is not unheard of in certain high protocol groups as well. Still, your experience level would not seem to imply that you would be (seemingly) unfamiliar with the less stringent protocol most often found in real time groups (ie: your protocol expectations are inconsistent with much real time experience).

quote:

As to my Master's qualifications ... because i was speaking to a Sir (You) ... i believe He choose to answer the question in a man to man way Sir ~soft smile~ He said

quote:

I am Old Guard Trained ... 5yrs formal, 5yrs Dungeon Master (pro), Published, Authored, I have an additional 3yrs informal Gorean ... total experience 15yrs, Trained, Witnessed, "Certified", even have Professional Forensic Strike Analysis training, 10yrs Military, 5 yrs Special Operations - Force RECON - AFSOC/SOCOM, bubble gum chewing, ass kicking, certified one-shot-one-kill dual black belted Mutha-fukur

Of course you would know that there are plenty of folks online claiming to be "Old Guard Trained", and that (in general) such claims are cause for the raising of eyebrows. I'm not really sure what your Master means by "Old Guard Trained" so I won't put any words in his mouth. He may mean that he has been trained by a gay male who is presently seventy to ninety years old (ie: someone who is from the "Old Guard" era). Or he may mean that he has been trained in a set of protocols which *are* "Old Guard". And my response to him would vary from "interesting" to "bullcrap" depending upon his intended meaning. If he'd care to elaborate, I'm all ears.

I've never heard of a "professional Dungeon Master" (I've been a Dungeon Master myself, taken a course given by BR's former DM trainer, and spent a few years as a bouncer... though I wouldn't say that I'm a "pro"), and not really sure what he meant by "formal" training (which may or may not be what I or anyone else would call "formal"), or what he has published (was it BDSM oriented or a manual for a lawn tractor?). The rest isn't really pertinent.

quote:

i hope this answers the questions that You had concerning my basis for asking my questions Sir. Again ... i thank You for taking the time to ask Sir.

~saki
Property of Master D.

*edited for typos - error mine - saki

Well, it answers some questions, while (obviously) raising others. I don't intend to be perceived as disrespectful, but this is the internet, afterall.

John

< Message edited by Rover -- 11/12/2007 8:20:50 PM >

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