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AquaticSub -> RE: open for response until 7am est (11/25/2007 11:47:03 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: daddyncherry quote: ORIGINAL: AquaticSub quote: ORIGINAL: daddyncherry i think she was acting totally inappropriately for a slave....if that is what she is expected to be. Well he did call her a puppy in the OP. Did he ever say exactly what she is, a puppy or a slave? He did mention that their's was supposed to be a TPE relationship....so maybe he desires a puppy slave (just a guess) Maybe but a puppy slave isn't the same thing as a slave. As Kyra said, "If she is a puppy, then whatever behavior the alpha cannot control is acceptable". My guess would be that any combination of puppy and slave will have that, at least to a degree.

ownedgirlie -> RE: open for response until 7am est (11/25/2007 11:52:54 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: AquaticSub quote: ORIGINAL: daddyncherry i think she was acting totally inappropriately for a slave....if that is what she is expected to be. Well he did call her a puppy in the OP. Did he ever say exactly what she is, a puppy or a slave? He referred to her as both in various posts, and did not answer the direct question that was posed to him. As a slave, it is not up to me to decide when I sleep and how long. I can only imagine my Master's response if, when he woke me at 3am for oral service, I snapped at him and said no, I needed my sleep! I would immediately be kicked out of his sleeping quarters as no use to him. In either case, she is not properly trained - be she slave or puppy. And simply punishing for bad behavior doesn't solve the problem, unless one wants the slave/puppy/whatever to obey out of fear. He would be better learning how to motivate her to want to serve in such a capacity. Then she would eagerly rise at any time of day to give him whatever it is he wanted.

AquaticSub -> RE: open for response until 7am est (11/25/2007 12:04:16 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: ownedgirlie As a slave, it is not up to me to decide when I sleep and how long. I can only imagine my Master's response if, when he woke me at 3am for oral service, I snapped at him and said no, I needed my sleep! I would immediately be kicked out of his sleeping quarters as no use to him. In either case, she is not properly trained - be she slave or puppy. And simply punishing for bad behavior doesn't solve the problem, unless one wants the slave/puppy/whatever to obey out of fear. He would be better learning how to motivate her to want to serve in such a capacity. Then she would eagerly rise at any time of day to give him whatever it is he wanted. I think this may be starting to get into the different ways you can have a insert your prefered dynamic here relationship. In our relationship I am expected, even required, to tell him if I can not service him because I need to get sleep. This is simply because he would rather have me be well-rested and accomplishing more during the day than if I were exhausted from getting up at 3 AM for a blow job, something we consider to be very minor as far as service goes. If he woke me and I mumbled at him "Need sleep for class" he would be pleased with me for making him aware of the situation and would leave me alone. I do agree with you that punishment probably isn't the solution here. Provided I don't need the sleep to be awake for class, meetings, long drives, etc., even I enjoy being woken up to serve when done so pleasently and am met with his wicked smile.

TwiztdErotic -> RE: open for response until 7am est (11/25/2007 12:08:10 PM)
Clearly nobody is going to just let this thread die, even though the matter has already been solved. To answer your question, she is a puppy slave. she came to me as a puppy looking to be owned, I was looking for a TPE slave. I hadn't realized a combination of the two would be viewed as being so absurd. Apparently that is just my inexperience. As for everyone making a big deal about her being punished..I really don't understand what the big deal is..she was put in a corner to quietly think. It's not like I pulled out a whip and beat her til she was silent.. Maybe I'm just that fuckin' special, but I know for me, when I let my emotions get a little out of control a little bit of time to think and center myself goes a long way.

ownedgirlie -> RE: open for response until 7am est (11/25/2007 12:14:02 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: AquaticSub I think this may be starting to get into the different ways you can have a insert your prefered dynamic here relationship. In our relationship I am expected, even required, to tell him if I can not service him because I need to get sleep. This is simply because he would rather have me be well-rested and accomplishing more during the day than if I were exhausted from getting up at 3 AM for a blow job, something we consider to be very minor as far as service goes. If he woke me and I mumbled at him "Need sleep for class" he would be pleased with me for making him aware of the situation and would leave me alone. Yes, it has to do with the expectations of that dynamic. In my dynamic as my Master's slave, I am expected to provide whatever service he wants, whenever he wants. That expectation has been made clear to me, as your expectation has been made clear to you. The OP made it clear he expects TPE, which to me means he has all the authority and decides when he wants what. To me this means he gets to decide when he wants a blow job, and whether it is a "minor" service or not. She doesn't get to decide that for them. It appears, however, that either he has not yet made this expectation clear to her, or she does not care about it. Mostly, however, I was offering a different way of looking at things, since there were so many opinions which expressed shock and awe (my exaggeration) that he would even think of waking her. To some of us, it's really not that big a deal, and even a privilege. To others, it is. As you said, it depends on dynamics and preferences. quote: I do agree with you that punishment probably isn't the solution here. Provided I don't need the sleep to be awake for class, meetings, long drives, etc., even I enjoy being woken up to serve when done so pleasently and am met with his wicked smile. We agree about the punishment. But having survived a semester of little sleep while working full time while servicing my Master during the night while dealing with some other major life issues, you might be amazed at what people enjoy doing. Servicing him at night was my one place of respite. I never once feared for my sleep deprived life, although several days in a row of this did make me quite tired so he held off for awhile.

AquaticSub -> RE: open for response until 7am est (11/25/2007 12:14:33 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: TwiztdErotic Clearly nobody is going to just let this thread die, even though the matter has already been solved. To answer your question, she is a puppy slave. she came to me as a puppy looking to be owned, I was looking for a TPE slave. I hadn't realized a combination of the two would be viewed as being so absurd. Apparently that is just my inexperience. As for everyone making a big deal about her being punished..I really don't understand what the big deal is..she was put in a corner to quietly think. It's not like I pulled out a whip and beat her til she was silent.. Maybe I'm just that fuckin' special, but I know for me, when I let my emotions get a little out of control a little bit of time to think and center myself goes a long way. Oh good grief, where did anyone say it was absurd? We were just discussing the differences between a puppy slave and a slave. I'm some weird combo of a kitten/slave/submissive thing so I would never call a pupper slave absurd. We are not making a big deal of this, we are simply discussing it. I have found that I can learn a lot about myself and other people by talking about these things. This is of particular interest to me because we are talking about a puppy slave. And you are right, it isn't like you pulled out a whip and beat her with it. But my opinion is still that punishing her in that situation isn't going to do as much good as finding a way to wake her up so that she is pleased and happy to serve. BTW, did you ever answer my question of how did you wake her up? I've found, being a woman who adores her sleep and is very cranky in the morning, that I wake up very differently and in different frames of mind if shaken awake or if Valyraen rubs my stomach gently until I wake up.

shellzbythesea -> RE: open for response until 7am est (11/25/2007 12:16:12 PM)
Wow...i'm so surprised by the majority of the reactions to this post. i had *no idea* that even as a submissive if my Dom requests or demands a bj (or anything else, for that matter) at 5am (or any other time, for that matter) that i'm allowed to basically just tell him to blow himself. Geez...i'll have to try that sometime and see where it gets me...or not. And, even though i freakin' *hate* cornertime, i'm very surprised to hear how many view this as some brutal punishment.

ownedgirlie -> RE: open for response until 7am est (11/25/2007 12:17:46 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: TwiztdErotic Clearly nobody is going to just let this thread die, even though the matter has already been solved. To answer your question, she is a puppy slave. she came to me as a puppy looking to be owned, I was looking for a TPE slave. I hadn't realized a combination of the two would be viewed as being so absurd. Apparently that is just my inexperience. As for everyone making a big deal about her being punished..I really don't understand what the big deal is..she was put in a corner to quietly think. It's not like I pulled out a whip and beat her til she was silent.. Maybe I'm just that fuckin' special, but I know for me, when I let my emotions get a little out of control a little bit of time to think and center myself goes a long way. You are relatively new here, and perhaps new to message board dynamics in general. When you put something out there, it is up for public discussion and quite often people branch off into other conversations as a result, which are beneficial to more than just the Original Poster. So no, the thread will not die until everyone has talked it through. Such is the way of things. I don't think anyone suggested you had beat her over it. But when very little information is provided, people are left to speculate the entire chasm of possibilities. The combination of puppy and slave is not that absurd, actually. You were asked a question to clarify, so you could be provided a more appropriate response based on your circumstance. When you did not reply, it left things speculative. Communication is an amazing thing... [;)]

dcnovice -> RE: open for response until 7am est (11/25/2007 12:22:18 PM)
quote: We were just discussing the differences between a puppy slave and a slave. What about the difference between a puppy slave and a puppy submissive? Has that been covered thoroughly?

AquaticSub -> RE: open for response until 7am est (11/25/2007 12:27:18 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: ownedgirlie quote: ORIGINAL: AquaticSub quote: I do agree with you that punishment probably isn't the solution here. Provided I don't need the sleep to be awake for class, meetings, long drives, etc., even I enjoy being woken up to serve when done so pleasently and am met with his wicked smile. We agree about the punishment. But having survived a semester of little sleep while working full time while servicing my Master during the night while dealing with some other major life issues, you might be amazed at what people enjoy doing. Servicing him at night was my one place of respite. I never once feared for my sleep deprived life, although several days in a row of this did make me quite tired so he held off for awhile. I am in no way saying that other people wouldn't enjoy this. I didn't even say that I didn't enjoy it - I do enjoy being woken up to service him sexually. We just don't consider it very important as a couple because of the ease with which he can take care of himself and how much of struggle it is for me to get to sleep, stay asleep and, if woken, get back to sleep. Unfortantely, going to sleep is one order I can't seem to obey, no matter how much I want to. At times we've strongly considered a prescription sleep aid. It's great you never feared for your life, however I have, at times, had to cancel trips or get friends to drive me to class because I simply should not have been on the road due to my lack of sleep. It would have been the same as if I had stepped behind the wheel drunk. The bottom line, for us, is that me being awake and refreshed for class is much more important than a blow job. If I've managed to get to sleep, he prefers that I stay there - if I have class. This is only what works for us. I'm not even remotely suggesting that it applies to others. My mentioning my own experiences with it was to simply say that yes, people who are not morning people by any means can enjoy being woken up at odd hours for sexual service.

TwiztdErotic -> RE: open for response until 7am est (11/25/2007 12:28:39 PM)
As I've already said, back on page 1 of this thread, i believe, that I was very sweet about waking her up. As for the exact details, if they're really that important..she was stroked lovingly, kissed on the forehead/temple and told that it was time to wake up. For the record, this particular name may be new here..but I've been a member of this site for 2 1/2 years or so.

AquaticSub -> RE: open for response until 7am est (11/25/2007 12:29:01 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: shellzbythesea Wow...i'm so surprised by the majority of the reactions to this post. i had *no idea* that even as a submissive if my Dom requests or demands a bj (or anything else, for that matter) at 5am (or any other time, for that matter) that i'm allowed to basically just tell him to blow himself. Geez...i'll have to try that sometime and see where it gets me...or not. And, even though i freakin' *hate* cornertime, i'm very surprised to hear how many view this as some brutal punishment. There is a huge difference between calling a punishment brutal and thinking that it is ineffective.

AquaticSub -> RE: open for response until 7am est (11/25/2007 12:32:53 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: TwiztdErotic As I've already said, back on page 1 of this thread, i believe, that I was very sweet about waking her up. As for the exact details, if they're really that important..she was stroked lovingly, kissed on the forehead/temple and told that it was time to wake up. Sorry if I missed it. That would even get me up in a happy mood (provided I didn't have to tell him to go away to fulfill the more important order of being rested for class). If this is something that is really important to you, you may need to look into finding a puppy slave who is a morning person, or at least can be woken up without so much fuss. Have you tried giving her half an hour to become a person again?

ownedgirlie -> RE: open for response until 7am est (11/25/2007 12:38:36 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: AquaticSub I am in no way saying that other people wouldn't enjoy this. I didn't even say that I didn't enjoy it - I do enjoy being woken up to service him sexually. We just don't consider it very important as a couple because of the ease with which he can take care of himself and how much of struggle it is for me to get to sleep, stay asleep and, if woken, get back to sleep. Unfortantely, going to sleep is one order I can't seem to obey, no matter how much I want to. At times we've strongly considered a prescription sleep aid. It's great you never feared for your life, however I have, at times, had to cancel trips or get friends to drive me to class because I simply should not have been on the road due to my lack of sleep. It would have been the same as if I had stepped behind the wheel drunk. The bottom line, for us, is that me being awake and refreshed for class is much more important than a blow job. If I've managed to get to sleep, he prefers that I stay there - if I have class. This is only what works for us. I'm not even remotely suggesting that it applies to others. My mentioning my own experiences with it was to simply say that yes, people who are not morning people by any means can enjoy being woken up at odd hours for sexual service. I know you are not saying nobody could enjoy it. And I am not comparing myself to you, or you to me. I was simply offering a different point of view, other than those who were opposed to what the OP was wanting. For the record though, I am by far not a morning person. Being woken up at any hour by him wanting something was something I had to adapt to. He comes before me, always. This is how it must be for us. For others it is different and I recognize that.

AquaticSub -> RE: open for response until 7am est (11/25/2007 12:45:16 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: ownedgirlie For the record though, I am by far not a morning person. Being woken up at any hour by him wanting something was something I had to adapt to. He comes before me, always. This is how it must be for us. For others it is different and I recognize that. We don't see it as me coming before him. I have to drive places during the day to do his will. I'd be quite happy to quit school and stay at home and play LOTRO all day most days. However, there are things that must be done to make him happy, graduation (which means driving to campus and other cities to do research), stocking the house (driving to the store) and taking care of errands because he doesn't want to be bothered with them (driving all over the place!). If I am not rested enough to be a safe driver, due to my particular sleep issues, I can not complete the tasks he sets before me. For us it really doesn't have anything at all with him coming before me, it is just a matter of what matters more to us and how we get them done.

TwiztdErotic -> RE: open for response until 7am est (11/25/2007 12:45:17 PM)
quote: Have you tried giving her half an hour to become a person again? she could have had all the time she needed while she was in the corner.

AquaticSub -> RE: open for response until 7am est (11/25/2007 12:49:09 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: TwiztdErotic quote: Have you tried giving her half an hour to become a person again? she could have had all the time she needed while she was in the corner. I dunno about her, but that definately wouldn't help me be in a bright happy mood to serve. If she is just cranky when woken up, it could be that there is nothing she can do about that except have time to herself. If that is the case, being punished from something she can't do anything about isn't going to teach her anything positive.

camille65 -> RE: open for response until 7am est (11/25/2007 12:52:53 PM)
No pun intended, but shouldn't she just have sucked it up and dealt with it? She had 9 hours of sleep which for most is plenty.I guess I'm struggling with what I see as 'well she isn't a morning person so she shouldn't have to function until she is ready' type thing. Sleep is vital to my health so I do get that bit, it's just the acceptance of her reaction that I don't get.Ugh I feel like I'm saying things backwards today!

TwiztdErotic -> RE: open for response until 7am est (11/25/2007 12:53:20 PM)
couldn't one view the quiet time in the corner as time for herself? I mean honestly, if I'm being made to wait for her why the hell should she get to spend that time in a comfy bed?

ownedgirlie -> RE: open for response until 7am est (11/25/2007 12:56:23 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: AquaticSub quote: ORIGINAL: ownedgirlie For the record though, I am by far not a morning person. Being woken up at any hour by him wanting something was something I had to adapt to. He comes before me, always. This is how it must be for us. For others it is different and I recognize that. We don't see it as me coming before him. I have to drive places during the day to do his will. I'd be quite happy to quit school and stay at home and play LOTRO all day most days. However, there are things that must be done to make him happy, graduation (which means driving to campus and other cities to do research), stocking the house (driving to the store) and taking care of errands because he doesn't want to be bothered with them (driving all over the place!). If I am not rested enough to be a safe driver, due to my particular sleep issues, I can not complete the tasks he sets before me. For us it really doesn't have anything at all with him coming before me, it is just a matter of what matters more to us and how we get them done. I understand, Aquatic, and we are different in this regard. My safety is not at risk if I miss an hour or so of sleep to suck his cock. And since he is aware of my schedule and of my ability to maintain my obligations while still missing some sleep, my service to him is what comes first. I respect that other dynamics are different.

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