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RE: mistress why cant your male slave have sex - 12/1/2007 3:54:30 PM   
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****captures both bottomboy and smith117, strips them down to nothing and restrains them both****

anyone else want to join in on the "punishment".  I'm really in the mood to dish it out to these two. 

**Mistress Pav pulls out her riding crop with an evil laugh**





Hey Ma`am.... Why do they get all the fun...


What?  The eggs weren't enough?

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RE: mistress why cant your male slave have sex - 12/1/2007 4:57:32 PM   
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ORIGINAL: MistressPav

****captures both bottomboy and smith117, strips them down to nothing and restrains them both****

anyone else want to join in on the "punishment".  I'm really in the mood to dish it out to these two. 

**Mistress Pav pulls out her riding crop with an evil laugh**





Wow.  Whether or not you agree with them, they were being serious, and deserve to be treated seriously.

**goes off to check the listed age of the poster** 

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RE: mistress why cant your male slave have sex - 12/1/2007 4:59:12 PM   
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ORIGINAL: laurell3

quote:

ORIGINAL: Politesub53

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ORIGINAL: MistressPav

****captures both bottomboy and smith117, strips them down to nothing and restrains them both****

anyone else want to join in on the "punishment".  I'm really in the mood to dish it out to these two. 

**Mistress Pav pulls out her riding crop with an evil laugh**





Hey Ma`am.... Why do they get all the fun...


What?  The eggs weren't enough?


LOL.... Touche right back !

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RE: mistress why cant your male slave have sex - 12/1/2007 7:19:01 PM   
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ORIGINAL: MistressPav

****captures both bottomboy and smith117, strips them down to nothing and restrains them both****

anyone else want to join in on the "punishment".  I'm really in the mood to dish it out to these two. 

**Mistress Pav pulls out her riding crop with an evil laugh**





I actually thought both posters have valid points.....lets face it, women especially women in my age group (20s) are always bashing men, and we are just supposed to take it, and I am not saying that some of women's gripes aren't valid...but when we men do vent, we get called all sorts of nasty names and almost no support; and I have seen it first hand how cruel women can be when it comes to rejecting men they don't find attractive, so I can totally understand where bottomboy81 is coming from....personally, I can laugh it off,  but I can totally see why another guy would get up in arms over it; and I think it is crap that men have to deal. Just my 2 cents.

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RE: mistress why cant your male slave have sex - 12/1/2007 8:07:13 PM   
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ORIGINAL: kc692

quote:

ORIGINAL: MistressPav

****captures both bottomboy and smith117, strips them down to nothing and restrains them both****

anyone else want to join in on the "punishment".  I'm really in the mood to dish it out to these two. 

**Mistress Pav pulls out her riding crop with an evil laugh**





Wow.  Whether or not you agree with them, they were being serious, and deserve to be treated seriously.

**goes off to check the listed age of the poster** 



*****in appropriate baby talk voice****Well, you "waskally weal twue mistwess", it does tend to be just a wee bit serious to me when I dish out punishment.


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RE: mistress why cant your male slave have sex - 12/1/2007 8:10:57 PM   
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Laurell and PS, give the filthy talk a rest. Some of us are shy. (and jealous)

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RE: mistress why cant your male slave have sex - 12/1/2007 8:12:39 PM   
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Laurell and PS, give the filthy talk a rest. Some of us are shy. (and jealous)


lol  how is cooking eggs dirty MM? (whistles innocently)

edited to add: Wait did you actually refer to yourself as SHY?  haha yeah...right!

< Message edited by laurell3 -- 12/1/2007 8:19:33 PM >


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RE: mistress why cant your male slave have sex - 12/1/2007 9:37:47 PM   
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SHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH you.

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RE: mistress why cant your male slave have sex - 12/1/2007 10:05:39 PM   
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There is far too much to read and reply to, I don't have the time and patience.

What a man wants (even if its his natural instinct), is WRONG, he is forbidden to ask for it and seen as a selfish person all because he expresses what he wants as a man. But a man must apply to what women want or else he is a fool. A woman is not a fool if she refuses to apply to what men want. This doesn't only apply to the BDSM scene but this applies also to the vanilla scene.

I am not saying that women should drop everything and spread their legs but if women think men are entitled to nothing, why do women always think they have entitlements? Entitlement mentality seems to be something women are only allowed to have.

I find it hard to believe that most women out there actually care about what men want, BUT men are the same. The problem is that its socially acceptable for a woman to not give a flying fuck to what men want but a man is always put down when he thinks the same about women.

Think about what I said a few times.

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RE: mistress why cant your male slave have sex - 12/1/2007 10:09:47 PM   
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No time, no patience. That's why you're still on your own. You want people to understand your point of view, but won't look at anyone elses. Think about that for a while.

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RE: mistress why cant your male slave have sex - 12/1/2007 10:54:30 PM   
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ORIGINAL: DianeB269

I can have sex anytime I want so, why would I wanna have sex with a sub/slave?


Diane


With the utmost, utmost respect, screwing subs with a strap on IS sex.  Anal sex. Most men can only dream of getting such down and dirty kinky sex (lucky buggers!)

www.collarchat.com/m_1205794/tm.htm

Obviously there are different definitions of "sex". 

I do not know any Domme in real life who is asexual, frigid or has her own chastity fetish.  Quite the opposite.  I find Dommes are far more sensual and sexually alive than their vanilla sisters.

I am a sexual Dominant.  I need full control of who, how and when to get my rocks off.  I have tried sex with vanillas and Tops/Doms and I hate it.  To me it feels like being thrown around like a rag doll, pinned down, penetrated  and controlled.  It is a form of submission.  Worst of all, Tops/Doms/nillas say "no" to my sexual requests (especially the really weird ones!), which leaves me feeling horribly sexually disempowered and un-dominant!

I can have sex with a man (sub or not) as long as lets me control everything, including whether he gets to cum.  In other words, they have to submit, even if they don't want to call themselves a submissive. 

Some guys might think "wow, she chains you to the bed and does her own thing....every time!  That sounds great!"

But think about having no control of sex or your sex life week after week, month after month, year after year.  Sexual Dominants can only really partner with genuine sexual submissives (in my sad experience)

I very much doubt the opening premise "Mistress don't have sex with their subs".  They just don't have conventional sex with subs and if they are serial monogamists (like me) they only have sex with one sub at a time, so the rest will have to get it elsewhere, go without or date someone else.







< Message edited by MsCfromMelbourne -- 12/1/2007 10:59:50 PM >


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RE: mistress why cant your male slave have sex - 12/1/2007 11:02:43 PM   
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ORIGINAL: MistressPav

quote:

ORIGINAL: kc692

quote:

ORIGINAL: MistressPav

****captures both bottomboy and smith117, strips them down to nothing and restrains them both****

anyone else want to join in on the "punishment".  I'm really in the mood to dish it out to these two. 

**Mistress Pav pulls out her riding crop with an evil laugh**





Wow.  Whether or not you agree with them, they were being serious, and deserve to be treated seriously.

**goes off to check the listed age of the poster** 



*****in appropriate baby talk voice****Well, you "waskally weal twue mistwess", it does tend to be just a wee bit serious to me when I dish out punishment.



According to your profile, you have learned a lot in the 4 weeks you have been dominant and are new in the lifestyle.  Otherwise, you would know you don't "dish out punishment" to some just because you are feelin frisky, it usually takes their consent to do so.  Imagine what trouble you might be in should someone decide they were gonna dish out some punishment, and forgot to ask you if you were interested in being a part of that.  Grow up.

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RE: mistress why cant your male slave have sex - 12/1/2007 11:21:27 PM   
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ORIGINAL: bottomboy81

There is far too much to read and reply to, I don't have the time and patience.

What a man wants (even if its his natural instinct), is WRONG, he is forbidden to ask for it and seen as a selfish person all because he expresses what he wants as a man. But a man must apply to what women want or else he is a fool. A woman is not a fool if she refuses to apply to what men want. This doesn't only apply to the BDSM scene but this applies also to the vanilla scene.

I am not saying that women should drop everything and spread their legs but if women think men are entitled to nothing, why do women always think they have entitlements? Entitlement mentality seems to be something women are only allowed to have.

I find it hard to believe that most women out there actually care about what men want, BUT men are the same. The problem is that its socially acceptable for a woman to not give a flying fuck to what men want but a man is always put down when he thinks the same about women.

Think about what I said a few times.


Wtf?  Quit speaking for me.  Quit speaking for anyone else but yourself.  Don't speak for women, don't speak for other men.  QUIT GENERALIZING.  I am not forbidden to ask for anything.  I don't know any other males who are forbidden to ask for things.  What is this "entitlement mentality" that you declare all women have?  Do submissive women have it?  The only "entitlement mentality" that I can think of is from those who are convinced they are superior to someone else (I touched on this before), but they are few and far between and need not be taken seriously.  Female Supremecists are no different than Male Supremecists, or White Supremecists, or any other fucktards who think they are special because of the luck of the draw in the genes they recieved.  They aren't to be taken seriously.  They are in the minority. 

But really man, take a deep breath....  relax a bit.  There is soooo much this lifestyle has to offer- why be pissed off and whiny about it?  We have all had our share of bad relationships.  We have all felt like it was stacked completely against us and we were the only ones to figure it out.  Then we get a little older, have a few more positive experiences and we learn and grow from them. 

Good luck.  

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RE: mistress why cant your male slave have sex - 12/2/2007 12:30:56 AM   
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ORIGINAL: MsLilac 

I haven’t even bothered to read much past page 8 of this thread. I had to stop, I felt my brain imploding.


Smith, try as you might, but you are not acting gracefully. How was I flaming you? My dear, I don’t flame people. I sense ‘typical’ diversionary tactics. Stop using smoke and mirrors, if you are going to reply to me, address what I wrote properly and accurately, instead of being evasive and distractive.

I didn’t say you spoke for my circles, I was addressing your “typically” ‘hypothesis’, to add another perspective. My truth is (and for a number of people I suspect) that that you were over egging the word “typically” - in the real word, it doesn’t even amount to 'typically'. You seemingly have a perspective bias. Which leads me on to…

"Secondly, you have no idea what profiles I'm looking at."

You gave the Collarme viewing public every idea what profiles you were looking at, by using the word “typically” and stating in a round about way that that you draw your flawed conclusions (partially at least) from the profiles you view.

To quote you again “I can't count the number of 'female doms' I have seen whose profiles say "you will not get sex, you are worthless, you will tribute me at every turn and treat me like a princess"

I am going to assume you are not involved in your local BDSM community in any significant way (feel free to correct me). I politely suggest you get out there and get involved. ‘Your experience’ amounts to nothing more than a skewed perspective bias, and self reinforcing prejudice. But so what if a both parties want that kind of relationship? If it is not for you, move on. Or maybe it annoys you so much because it pertains to you?

Yes, I agree, a lot of men will relate to your diatribe, doesn’t validate it. A lot more men and women will relate to the opposite. So, using your ‘majority’ method to make a point, what’s that proving?

Ones persons experience is not representative of a whole. What it is representative of, is that persons social habits.

To quote you, “The rest of my post was not ridiculous, unless of course you find some of it pertains to you. You see, far too many men know where I'm coming from. In fact, Tom Leykis based his radio 'empire' on telling men how to avoid women like this. So it's not uncommon at all.”

Are you aware of how ridiculous and immature this sounds? It’s disjointed, illogical, contradictory. Yes, the rest of your post was as equally ridiculous as the above quote, if not more so. I am left thinking two things. 1) You are either a genuinely ignorant and inexperienced, amateur arm chair critic, who actually believes his little forays into highly flawed gender pop psyche and social commentary. Or 2) You are trolling, and enjoying the controversy. I am going to go with number 2, as I don’t believe anybody can be that dumb.



And here we go again. To answer your first question.....the 'flame' was you calling the 'rest of my post' rediculous. That implies one of two things. Either A) It in some way pertained to you and you got offended. B) You cast it aside without reading it or simply dismissed its points, ergo marginalizing it, which is no way to effective communication. Why would I address what you wrote 'properly and accurately' when you afforded me no such courtesy?

Sorry, but men are not known for their grace. And I'm no exception.

And I'll go ahead and correct you now, I WAS involved very heavily in my local groups, until I got fed up with the drama that follows such groups, but that's another rant entirely. For now, I'll focus on one at a time.

Also, for the reading impaired, I will point out again that I was not judging those profiles. As I've said time and again prostitution is the oldest profession in the world. I just think those women should stop kidding themselves and own up to it.

And in what world do you live where a lot of people relating to an experience does not validate it? Many folks with shared experiences does exactly that, otherwise, it'd be a fluke. And in this case, it's not. Nice try though.

As for your final comments, it's funny how my observations can seem immature and rediculous to you, yet you seem to wordly and wise that you can judge me from a single post. Cute...in a....'not' kind of way that is.

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RE: mistress why cant your male slave have sex - 12/2/2007 12:32:22 AM   
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****captures both bottomboy and smith117, strips them down to nothing and restrains them both****

anyone else want to join in on the "punishment".  I'm really in the mood to dish it out to these two. 

**Mistress Pav pulls out her riding crop with an evil laugh**





Cute. Not a likely or even a possible scenario in this or any other world, but cute.

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RE: mistress why cant your male slave have sex - 12/2/2007 3:55:36 AM   
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ORIGINAL: bottomboy81
I am not saying that women should drop everything and spread their legs but if women think men are entitled to nothing, why do women always think they have entitlements?


If you really want the answer to this question, it's pretty simple:  no one in this world is "entitled" to anything.  People take what they can get, and they learn to get their needs met by whatever means are necessary.

No, life isn't fair.  But stamping your wittle foots about it and pouting is not going to put food on your table, a car in your garage, or a lover in your bed.  EVER.  So deal with it.

You want sex and love in your life, learn to do what it takes to be sexy and lovable.  There are no shortcuts and there is no miracle cure.

Human interaction is like any other marketplace.  It's ruled by forces of supply and demand.  The reason sex with a man is a worthless commodity is because the market is flooded.

Too many men give it up too easily and too often, to anyone and everyone.  Dom, sub, straight, gay or bi, it doesn't matter.  If sex with men were harder to get, most women would be more surprised and happy to receive an offer that was only sexual.

Since you cannot control how other men behave, you've got to take charge of yourself.  If you want sex with YOU to be a valuable commodity--try making it a little harder to get, darlin'.  Stop throwing your dick automatically in front of everything in a pair of high heels.  When you talk to a woman, have some respect for her and for YOURSELF.  Sure, you want sex--so does she.  The difference between you is that she knows that she has some choice about who she has sex with.  Whereas you take no responsibility or control over your choices--you just get pissed at everyone but yourself when they don't work out.

The problem with guys like you or Smith or any number of other angry, bitter misogynists I see around here is that you never acknowledge how much you victimize yourself.  If you don't want to get run over on the freeway, stop chasing cars:  if the women you're attracted to have a tendency to treat you badly, learn to be attracted to women who treat you well.  And learn not to get emotionally and physically involved with a woman until she actually HAS treated you well, and shown you some warmth and respect.
 
 

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RE: mistress why cant your male slave have sex - 12/2/2007 5:31:35 AM   
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Laurell and PS, give the filthy talk a rest. Some of us are shy. (and jealous)


MissMagnolia, i am very sorry, Laurell was egging me on.

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RE: mistress why cant your male slave have sex - 12/2/2007 7:22:14 AM   
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ORIGINAL: Politesub53

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ORIGINAL: MissMagnolia

Laurell and PS, give the filthy talk a rest. Some of us are shy. (and jealous)


MissMagnolia, i am very sorry, Laurell was egging me on.


you're too cute, Polite.

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RE: mistress why cant your male slave have sex - 12/2/2007 10:22:37 AM   
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First you need to understand sex has a lot of power and control to it. Second many male subs almost expect to have sex. Even if they don't verbally speak it or say it.  I control the sugar and spice therefore there's no question that if I want to have sex...then he will serve it to me on a silver platter- to please me.



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RE: mistress why cant your male slave have sex - 12/2/2007 10:51:39 AM   
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Lets think about how much interest women generally express towards mens needs and wants? (It's like hearing crickets.) Now think about how much men try to achieve what women want just to get a simple orgasm? There is a big difference. Yet a man wanting some thing as simple as an orgasm seems to be selfish behavior but to compare this to what women demand out of men seems to be out of the question.

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