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RE: Some religions believe - 1/16/2008 5:33:25 AM

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I basically agree with all the points you made, but I wanted to ask.
On point 4 - you listed heads of instead of leaders (I am trying to distinquish the two) ie Pope etc. Now do you include others like Jesus, Krishna and Buddha or do you see them more as iconic?

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RE: Some religions believe - 1/16/2008 5:34:55 AM

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he was also supposedly the being that gave us sex in the first place!)

WRONG!!!! reproduction ;)

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4. Is it centered around some charismatic leader, who's word is supposedly equal to God's? (This includes the Pope, Jim Jones, Charles Manson, L. Ron Hubbard, or John Norman or other like them.)

Anton Lavey for me.....but don't judge me as satanist now..ok a little perhaps
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anton_LaVey

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RE: Some religions believe - 1/16/2008 5:35:08 AM

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they don't teach/recognize and/or acknowledge any existence of this "Lilith" you and everyone speak of. they only teach/preach about Adam and Eve being the parents of the human race living in the Garden of Eden before sin separated them from God.

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RE: Some religions believe - 1/16/2008 5:41:49 AM

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he was also supposedly the being that gave us sex in the first place!)

WRONG!!!! reproduction ;)

Not entirely wrong. God did not only create sex for reproduction. It was intended for enjoyment and pleasure as well. It's all there in the bible. Reproduction was just one reason. You can't reproduce with breasts only!(Proverbs)

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RE: Some religions believe - 1/16/2008 5:44:39 AM

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Hmm, let's see, where to wade in and avoid most of the sharks and floating body parts...Many religions deal with temptation and the choices people make to glorify their deity. The concept is that if there were no evil, or sin, people could not chose to rise above it. That is why a creator would include dark or destructive things in a world, like cocaine or guns or fissionable Uranium. Whether someone decides BDSM is a dark temptation I think is a matter of personal (or imposed) conviction.
On to marriage: Haven't you read, he replied, that at the beginning the Creator "made them male and female," and said, "For this reason a man will leave his father and mother and be united to his wife, and the two will become one flesh"? So they are no longer two, but one. Therefore what God has joined together, let man not separate (Matthew 19:4–6 Mark 10:6–9),
However, I think most Christian adolescents learn the Biblical definition of marriage consumates the act with fornication, no other ceremony needed. Therefore, if you have sex with someone you're married.
Lilith is often identified in lore and literature as the first female activist, a title refusing Adam would certainly enforce. but Lilith is mentioned only once in the Bible (Isaiah 34:14 and not all translations include her name) : Wildcats shall meet with hyenas, goat-demons shall call to each other; there too Lilith shall repose, and find a place to rest. There shall the owl nest and lay and hatch and brood in its shadow. (http://ccat.sas.upenn.edu/humm/Topics/Lilith/bible.html).
I think it's safe to say, since she refused Adam and they did not become "one flesh," there was no binding marriage, thus saving Adam from adultery. Otherwise we'd all be bastards, huh.

The sin Eve brought, which likely happened many years after the Lilith flap died down and Lilith was happily lying with Hyenas, was that she bit from the fruit of knowlege (i.e. sexual awareness, at which point clothes were invented) and compelled Adam to do the same, which God had specifically forbidden.

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RE: Some religions believe - 1/16/2008 5:47:52 AM

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they don't teach/recognize and/or acknowledge any existence of this "Lilith" you and everyone speak of. they only teach/preach about Adam and Eve being the parents of the human race living in the Garden of Eden before sin separated them from God.

They don't speak either of de Gospel of Judas either and many others.
Even the church admits then in 1300 or so the church selected parts to form the bible. It is just a selection of books.

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RE: Some religions believe - 1/16/2008 5:50:19 AM

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he was also supposedly the being that gave us sex in the first place!)

WRONG!!!! reproduction ;)

Not entirely wrong. God did not only create sex for reproduction. It was intended for enjoyment and pleasure as well. It's all there in the bible. Reproduction was just one reason. You can't reproduce with breasts only!(Proverbs)

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I was beeing sarcastic..the church uses reproduction. Breasts are secundary reproduction yes.. and damn nice :P

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It's all there in the bible.

where?

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RE: Some religions believe - 1/16/2008 5:53:01 AM

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he was also supposedly the being that gave us sex in the first place!)

WRONG!!!! reproduction ;)

You are both right. Just think of all those millions of nerve endings as G-ds little incentive plan..

and remember...the bible was physically written by man. The old testament was translated from Hebrew and therefore contains much subjectivity. When reading the "old testament" in the original hebrew (OK, when sitting next to people who understand the orignal hebrew) , there tends to be alot of discussion over the translation of one particular word or another, each of which could change the meaning of the passage in question signifigantly.

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RE: Some religions believe - 1/16/2008 5:55:51 AM

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which church are you referring to? i only know about Black Baptist since i spent most of my teen to adult life under the Black Missionary Baptist affiliation.

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RE: Some religions believe - 1/16/2008 5:56:51 AM

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It is common knowlege that the bible is just a group of books. A lot of books were omitted. Why? Who knows. Lilith was created Adams equal and the church elders could not handle a woman with that much power.

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RE: Some religions believe - 1/16/2008 5:57:26 AM

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he was also supposedly the being that gave us sex in the first place!)

WRONG!!!! reproduction ;)

You are both right. Just think of all those millions of nerve endings as G-ds little incentive plan..

and remember...the bible was physically written by man. The old testament was translated from Hebrew and therefore contains much subjectivity. When reading the "old testament" in the original hebrew (OK, when sitting next to people who understand the orignal hebrew) , there tends to be alot of discussion over the translation of one particular word or another, each of which could change the meaning of the passage in question signifigantly.

the bible is a gathering of stories once told by storie tellers. First from mouth to mouth which make the stories change overtime. Then sects start to write them down. Christianity starts and the books were used as a guide. Church became powerful and used it as weapon. In time indeed words and meanings got lost in translation.

(there is an important sect that wrote down a lott but was hunted by Christians as beeing dangerous..forgot the name)

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RE: Some religions believe - 1/16/2008 5:57:29 AM

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Lilith is mentioned in the Bible twice. Once without a name in(Genesis) - often confused to be eve by some people and later on as a barn owl (Isaiah) as firm said.
(although there is no indication that this is the same lilith).

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RE: Some religions believe - 1/16/2008 6:00:11 AM

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It's all there in the bible.

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where?

I guessed you were, and that's why I mentioned breasts - I gave you the example (proverbs) the words clearly state that breasts are to be enjoyed...

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RE: Some religions believe - 1/16/2008 6:02:12 AM

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It's all there in the bible.

where?

I guessed you were, and that's why I mentioned breasts - I gave you the example (proverbs) the words clearly state that breasts are to be enjoyed...

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ah ok..the sarcasm lol..fooled myself ;)

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RE: Some religions believe - 1/16/2008 6:03:25 AM

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Religious people believe what they do, normally because they're told so or because they're more comfy that way.

It's not worth worrying about.

For someone who is supposed to be a "genius," (your word), this is an amazingly short-sighted, simplistic, ignorant answer that groups all "religious" people into one mindless group. Stop and think for a second. Would people swallow such a broad assumption made about any other group? Fill in the blank ( ______ people) with another descriptor and make such a statement about why they all think the same and watch the fireworks start. It's amazing that what is supposed to be an intelligent discourse would contain such a statement and people would accept it without challenge. All "religious" people don't think alike. If they did, there wouldn't be so many wars, huh?

Don't assume all "religious" people are mindless robots believing what they are told or that they're just "comfy" and never question. You know better. When you start off with an assumption like that, the conversation can only go downhill..................luci

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RE: Some religions believe - 1/16/2008 6:05:33 AM

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God is dead

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RE: Some religions believe - 1/16/2008 6:06:33 AM

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Nietzshe is dead

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RE: Some religions believe - 1/16/2008 6:07:06 AM

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slaveluci. If you look into it a lot of wars were caused by religion. As far as people blindly following it James Jones and David Koresh come to mind.

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RE: Some religions believe - 1/16/2008 6:07:51 AM

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Just this once, everybody lives!

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RE: Some religions believe - 1/16/2008 6:15:21 AM

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slaveluci. If you look into it a lot of wars were caused by religion

Yup. That's what I said. Obviously, all "religious" people don't think alike or alot of those wars wouldn't be happening.

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As far as people blindly following it James Jones and David Koresh come to mind

Yeah so? You're right about that but that by no means indicates that ALL "religious" people think alike. First, I'd definitely not call those guys worthy representatives of what "religion" means - at least not to me. And just because they were two zealots doesn't mean all "religious" people should be dismissed. Using them as examples of what "religious people" are is like using Hitler as an example of what all Germans are. They were two extremists who don't represent "religion" at all..............luci

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