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Thread Hijacking - 2/1/2008 8:16:54 AM   
Termyn8or


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Status: offline 		Interestingly "Administrative Announcements", a category that seems to be largely left alone, has a new post in it. By none other than the ever diligent Moderator Eleven, and I do not mean that sarcastically. You might want to smack the mouse around and read it, but suffice it to say she asserts that she is seeing hijacks as a way some posters are using  to deliberately derail or demean ideas with which they do not agree or "think are stupid".

Recently I was talking to someone about a pro se defense in court, none of the tin hat mumbo jumbo, but people do actually do it without being radical. What I said went back to the tenet of law that without intent there is no crime. I told them a statement that could be used "If you break someone's leg, it's not good, but if you break someone's leg on purpose, that is a crime".

So for one, most people probably do not read that category so I thought I would mention it here, because actually if a capitol if hijacks were ever defined, it would be Off Topic. Secondly, you can't respond there. I thought I'd throw it out here and let people chew it up.

I know I have hijacked, but my intention is not to derail because I disagree, if I disagree I will state my case, if I think a thread's subject is stupid (IMOO) I will not respond at all. Now that is not to say that I think every thread to which I do not respond is stupid, don't read between the lines, just read the lines.

When I do what I would consider a hijack, it is a tertiary issue that is related somehow. But then is it a hijack ? I think it would be a good idea to define just what a hijack is. There are some things I believe it is not.

In the thread about zoloft withdrawal I expounded on depression. Well that is pertinent. I think. My ideas on psychology are as radical as my political views, but they have helped me and others to be more well adjusted to this FUBARed world in which we live. I believe that you learn and grow out of such problems, rather than numb yourself by becoming a trustee of modern chemistry. But that is not the point of this post.

So as you can see, right there I almost hijacked myself. Or did I ?

So I don't think this is going to be so easily defined. Are there going to be acceptable and unacceptable hijacks ? A line must be drawn somewhere.

I have seen replies in the tone of "This from someone who thinks ______". That can get annoying, especially with the quoting. If I said the sky is green, I said nothing about the color of grass. Is that a hijack ?

You can't really have an in depth discussion about near any subject without some tertiary issues being brought up. For example if I started in about foreign cars and someone mentions all the scrap metal being shipped overseas, I don't think I could really call that a hijack. And to mention all the other products that are imported instead of made here would be related as well. So what constitutes a hijack then ? What if someone says that Hillary would fix it ?

Mod 11 impresses me. Really. She must read just about every post coming in, and this is a busy site. It took her a matter of hours to kill that dog licking thread, to which I was going to respond. My first words were going to be something like "I can't believe they let you post this here". Five people IIRC had replied, I would have been the sixth, but when I hit send it did not work, it was gone.

She is very diligent and dedicated, but now to take on the task of sorting through "hijacks" ?. I hope they pay her well.

And that's not all. I got a guy's real email and have corresponded. He is no longer on this site and says that Mod11 is biased against his political views. I do not agree, even though I agree with some of those views. But that is human nature. He might say he can agree to disagree, but he can't quite do it.

Anyway, dealing with hijacks is going to be a big job. It is going to boil down to not only content, but now also the intent of the content. At least that is the way I see it. I wouldn't want the job. Go look yourself, but the thing is there you can't reply. Administrative Announcements, it's easy to find, it is the only post from 2008.

So I thought a bit of caucus on the subject might be good.

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RE: Thread Hijacking - 2/1/2008 8:26:36 AM   
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Status: offline 		I post at a message board where yearly "awards" are given for things such as:  best thread hijack, best thread kill, etc.  I don't think that would go over well here.  

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RE: Thread Hijacking - 2/1/2008 8:35:37 AM   
Jeffff


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Status: offline 		Mod11, I am told, works for free. As  for hijacking, or derailment? yeah I do. I have been warned...and that is what it is. I attempt to do it with humor, maybe I succeed, maybe I don't. And some threads........seem to cry out for it. I understand the..desire to keep things on track. I will also cop to the fact that derailment may cause some people to shy away from a thread. I have no answer, since I do not wish to be modded...:) I am endevouring to..back it off a notch or two.In defense of ModXI, not that she needs it, I will say that haveing to read most if not all of the posts on these fora, is not a small undertaking.

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RE: Thread Hijacking - 2/1/2008 8:48:18 AM   
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Status: offline 		I'm inclined to agree that Moderator 11 has, in my case at least, a rather odd attitude to what is or is not acceptable.

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RE: Thread Hijacking - 2/1/2008 8:54:37 AM   
Jeffff


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ORIGINAL: seeksfemslave

I'm inclined to agree that Moderator 11 has, in my case at least, a rather odd attitude to what is or is not acceptable.


My thought on this, is that if someone really wanted to do something, they cold offer to also be a Mod. I  don't have the time, or frankly, the interest, so I won't. Course, I am most likely not acceptable...lol.

Jeff

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RE: Thread Hijacking - 2/1/2008 9:07:13 AM   
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ORIGINAL: Jeffff

Mod11, I am told, works for free. As  for hijacking, or derailment? yeah I do. I have been warned...and that is what it is. I attempt to do it with humor, maybe I succeed, maybe I don't. And some threads........seem to cry out for it. I understand the..desire to keep things on track. I will also cop to the fact that derailment may cause some people to shy away from a thread. I have no answer, since I do not wish to be modded...:) I am endevouring to..back it off a notch or two.In defense of ModXI, not that she needs it, I will say that haveing to read most if not all of the posts on these fora, is not a small undertaking.

Jeff


I agree with you, but will add that quite often, thread hijacking is all in good fun, especially when a rhythm gets going, someone types a witty quip, someone else jumps in and soon you have an exercise in witty banter.

The problem is, that like all words, they are subject to interpretation and intent can never be discerned from just words. Quite often, what is hilariously funny to some, seems mean spirited to others.

You cannot please everyone and you certainly cannot make people develop a sense of humor about others and themselves.  Too many posters take themselves way tooooooooooooo seriously and their posts almost beg for hijacks.

But as Jefff said, you have to keep a sense of moderation for yourself, or you will be moderated. I have been and it is not fun. You need to try and censor your initial thoughts so that your written words come off as banal as possible so as not to offend the delicate sensibilities of others.

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RE: Thread Hijacking - 2/1/2008 10:16:00 AM   
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Status: offline 		I saw the Thread Hijacking the day  Mod1X placed it there.
In Off Topic I asked "How often to you check Admin. Announcements"
it was obivious not many people do.
I roam all over the boards here- sometimes I post most times I don't. In the last couple of weeks
checking out different threads I've seen 1st hand what Mod1X is talking about.

And those people involved in the hijacking know also. It is not done by accident or for fun is done
on purpose to derail or go as far as have the thread pulled.

Who me? I don't do that-   uh huh  keep telling yourselves that


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RE: Thread Hijacking - 2/1/2008 10:17:32 AM   
sexyred1


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ORIGINAL: swtnsparkling

I saw the Thread Hijacking the day  Mod1X placed it there.
In Off Topic I asked "How often to you check Admin. Announcements"
it was obivious not many people do.
I roam all over the boards here- sometimes I post most times I don't. In the last couple of weeks
checking out different threads I've seen 1st hand what Mod1X is talking about.

And those people involved in the hijacking know also. It is not done by accident or for fun is done
on purpose to derail or go as far as have the thread pulled.

Who me? I don't do that-   uh huh  keep telling yourselves that



And your point is....? Actually, I do know what your point is. Just as there are those who like to hijack, there will always be those who think they need to come into a thread and point out the obvious to everyone, that others are hijacking. Duh.

Are you the new self-appointed guardian of no-hijacking? I think Mod XI has got that covered.

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RE: Thread Hijacking - 2/1/2008 10:26:21 AM   
fluffyswitch


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quote:

ORIGINAL: sexyred1

You cannot please everyone and you certainly cannot make people develop a sense of humor about others and themselves.  Too many posters take themselves way tooooooooooooo seriously and their posts almost beg for hijacks.



i agree in principle but there have been several threads that i have seen hijacked and the excuse was "you don't have enough sense of humor and take yourself too seriously, so we have the right to hijack." if the OP or whoever has a legit (to them) question or issue they want to discuss but you don't think it is, wouldn't it just make more sense to ignore the silly thing in the first place and let someone else answer the post?

i'm not necessarily against hijacking if that's the direction of the conversation since that's what happens off the boards in in r/l. i am against if people do it to direct the conversation in a manner that 'they' want it to go, especially if they don't like someone's sense of humor or even more basic, they don't like the thread in teh first place.

but to each his own, your mileage will vary, blah blah blah


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RE: Thread Hijacking - 2/1/2008 10:32:44 AM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: fluffyswitch

quote:

ORIGINAL: sexyred1

You cannot please everyone and you certainly cannot make people develop a sense of humor about others and themselves.  Too many posters take themselves way tooooooooooooo seriously and their posts almost beg for hijacks.



i agree in principle but there have been several threads that i have seen hijacked and the excuse was "you don't have enough sense of humor and take yourself too seriously, so we have the right to hijack." if the OP or whoever has a legit (to them) question or issue they want to discuss but you don't think it is, wouldn't it just make more sense to ignore the silly thing in the first place and let someone else answer the post?

i'm not necessarily against hijacking if that's the direction of the conversation since that's what happens off the boards in in r/l. i am against if people do it to direct the conversation in a manner that 'they' want it to go, especially if they don't like someone's sense of humor or even more basic, they don't like the thread in teh first place.

but to each his own, your mileage will vary, blah blah blah



True, I actually agree with what you have said. However, I don't think that anything is going to change in how message board behavior is done. I, for one, like a free spirited attitude on the boards. I take my chances when I post a thread and when I post to threads. If someone does not like what I say, no problem for me. If they try to derail a thread of mine, does that really affect my life in the big picture? Uh..no.

Yes, you can choose to ignore a thread or you can choose to post to it; all in the free speech thing we have going on, well except if it violates the TOS of this particular site.

Why is this not all that important in the grand scheme of life? Because posting on Collarme's message board is just a fun way to spend some time and be entertained and maybe get some information. The rest of life is much more important and there are bigger problems in life than having threads hijacked or derailed.

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RE: Thread Hijacking - 2/1/2008 10:44:24 AM   
ottRopesandKnots


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quote:

ORIGINAL: sexyred1

I agree with you, but will add that quite often, thread hijacking is all in good fun, especially when a rhythm gets going, someone types a witty quip, someone else jumps in and soon you have an exercise in witty banter.



Glad to hear the witty banter is fun for you, sadly I find it quite annoying.  Once the clique of usual suspects begin swapping quips back and forth between one another which have nothing to do with the OP the poor signal to noise ratio in the thread becomes overwhealming and the thread becomes pretty much useless. The group I playfully refer to as the CollarMe Women's Auxilliary seem to feel most every thread is a welcome place for their insessant off topic chat with one another.

It seems to me, a good rule of thumb would be if the discussion is of relevance to the OP then go for it, but extended exchanges about pulling one another's bra staps or how much you love apple pie are probably inappropriate.  I'm all for people forming online friendships and exchanges, but when they start to drown out the discussions of other people I get frustrated.

That being said, I'm a fan of self moderation (and group self moderation), so I just like to encourage people to act accordingly.  This is the internet and I realize puting up with people's high school behavioral systems is par for the course.

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RE: Thread Hijacking - 2/1/2008 10:47:45 AM   
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Status: offline 		I also can't stand the usual bullying-is-all-in-fun crowd. I just can't take it, and never mind the philosophy behind them doing it. It's pretty much taken me off asking for advice or opinions here.
<wait for someone to jump in with a "you need a thicker skin" response, I suppose.>

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RE: Thread Hijacking - 2/1/2008 10:50:47 AM   
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Status: offline 		That would be nice if it gets enforced.  I have noticed people using hijacks to end discussions they are being shown wrong in.  The other neat trick is to explode in rage and insults and get the thread removed entirely.  There is a difference between hijacking and a discussion moving in a new direction, but it is subjective, and would be a nightmare to enforce.  Kudos to the Mods

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RE: Thread Hijacking - 2/1/2008 10:52:06 AM   
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ORIGINAL: MollyTroubletail

I also can't stand the usual bullying-is-all-in-fun crowd. I just can't take it, and never mind the philosophy behind them doing it. It's pretty much taken me off asking for advice or opinions here.
<wait for someone to jump in with a "you need a thicker skin" response, I suppose.>


you and me both then, because there does seem to a lot people who follow the 'what i call tough love but actual borders on just being rude but since i can call it tough love and have friends on this board i can get away with it' mentality.

i've just gotten to the point of, you're NEVER going to interact with me in r/l because even if the chance were to develop i wouldn't take it, so i just don't care what you think about me.


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RE: Thread Hijacking - 2/1/2008 10:56:36 AM   
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Status: offline 		There is a difference between high jacking and giving an honest response. Yes I have Hi jacked, and Yes I thought it was funny. I can acknowledge that it is not appreciated. But to expect every question or thought, no matter how silly to be met with sweetness and light is unrealistic and naive.

Jeff

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RE: Thread Hijacking - 2/1/2008 10:58:55 AM   
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Status: offline 		I've never intentionally hijacked a thread. I may add a silly comment, or neglect to read through an entire thread or an original post due to the length (can't bring myself to read those long ones sorry), and then add my comment that might just follow the last poster... and if that poster has derailed the original thread I have no clue... oops... I guess I have to take responsibility for that one. dang.

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RE: Thread Hijacking - 2/1/2008 10:59:38 AM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: Jeffff

There is a difference between high jacking and giving an honest response. Yes I have Hi jacked, and Yes I thought it was funny. I can acknowledge that it is not appreciated. But to expect every question or thought, no matter how silly to be met with sweetness and light is unrealistic and naive.

Jeff


there's a difference between giving an honest response and being aggressive. i don't think that anyone on this thread has asked for sweetness and light, but being shown a modicom of respect can't hurt either.

some of the harshest lessons that i have learned have come from people actually talking to me directly and honestly, without undue aggression or anyone interjecting their brand of humor.

either way i don't think it's going to stop.


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RE: Thread Hijacking - 2/1/2008 11:01:46 AM   
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Status: offline 		For example the" See BS news :Obama" thread had completely changed.  But that seems fine to me.  A discussion about Obama and Kenedy has turned into a discussion of Kenedy and the Bay of Pigs and history.  That seems more of a related evolution than a hijack to me.

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RE: Thread Hijacking - 2/1/2008 11:04:54 AM   
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Status: offline 		To be perfectly fair I was talking about people who do it as a matter of course, or toss out opinions that would get them probably slapped in real life. People who don't care a bit about how their response will be taken but spew off and then tell everyone that their hurtful words are only "honest". Since when did honesty mean being obnoxious. I never had any problem with you Jefff, even if you're trying to be funny you have been very considerate.

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RE: Thread Hijacking - 2/1/2008 11:05:20 AM   
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I personally just don't give a damn if a thread gets hijacked, including my own. This idea that once it gets hijacked it will never go back on topic is absurd. If the topic is interesting enough new people will come and post their own ideas on the OP, pulling the topic back.

If your thread or your friend's thread gets hijacked, get over it. Nobody did it to insult you. It's the same as sitting at a table and trying to introduce a new topic of conversation and whoever you are talking with go "Nah, we'd rather talk about this instead." Hell at least hijack keeps the thread alive and I've gotten some interesting responses to my threads because thread hijack kept them alive and on the first page.

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