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My First Experience with U.S.C. 2257 - How is it affect... - 9/5/2005 9:13:50 PM

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Oh, the horror! That was what I first thought, as My heart tightened in My chest; as I felt My breath stop, and it seemed as if the room expanded and condensed in a very Bugs-Bunny-cartoon-kind-of-way. I was literally stopped in My tracks. I actually felt My body become immobilized for a moment which seemed like a mini-eternity. I felt time stop.

I remember saying to Myself, “OK, You knew this was coming. So, now’s as good a time as ever to just take that step.” Honestly, if the person who presented this video documentary situation to Me was not someone I liked, I would have turned around and left, like so many others who showed up did. Although We knew it was coming and is now a part of Our realities, are You really ready to comply with U.S.C. 2257?

Do you even know what U.S.C. 2257 is and how it affects Us ALL???????

I invite you to express your thoughts.

More here in My Current Newsletter and a lot of other goodies!

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RE: My First Experience with U.S.C. 2257 - How is it af... - 9/6/2005 4:02:10 AM

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Thanks for bringing this to my attention. I have recently been offered some explicit photographic material for my website, and had not been aware of this requirement (my server is hosted in the US, so I try to comply with both US and UK legislation)

Do you know if sketches/cartoons are also covereed by this?

BTW, I agree that the act seems like legislative over-reach and a bad sign of the way things are headed.

What I hear about the trend in the US reminds me of "The Handmaidens Tale" by Margaret Atwood - very, very scary!

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RE: My First Experience with U.S.C. 2257 - How is it af... - 9/6/2005 8:58:27 AM

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Do you know if sketches/cartoons are also covereed by this?

no artwork is not covered only photos of real people

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RE: My First Experience with U.S.C. 2257 - How is it af... - 9/6/2005 4:47:40 PM

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Thank you so much for responding to the "art" question.

I didn't even think about that, but what is scary is that there may be some further restrictions on art coming up soon!

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RE: My First Experience with U.S.C. 2257 - How is it af... - 9/7/2005 12:09:24 AM

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ORIGINAL: LaughingDan

Thanks for bringing this to my attention. I have recently been offered some explicit photographic material for my website, and had not been aware of this requirement (my server is hosted in the US, so I try to comply with both US and UK legislation)

Do you know if sketches/cartoons are also covereed by this?

BTW, I agree that the act seems like legislative over-reach and a bad sign of the way things are headed.

What I hear about the trend in the US reminds me of "The Handmaidens Tale" by Margaret Atwood - very, very scary!

Bush is an idiot, who struts and frets his hour upon our nation and then (hopefully) is heard no more.
Please invade us and rid us of this nutjob!

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RE: My First Experience with U.S.C. 2257 - How is it af... - 9/8/2005 3:23:19 AM

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ORIGINAL: Ojedieu

Bush is an idiot, who struts and frets his hour upon our nation and then (hopefully) is heard no more.
Please invade us and rid us of this nutjob!

You make me happy in a very special place. If I wasn't already married to another lovely Lady I'd so totally propose.

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RE: My First Experience with U.S.C. 2257 - How is it af... - 9/8/2005 8:56:25 PM

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Just can't help but say it....bet this one hits on the GM case too!

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RE: My First Experience with U.S.C. 2257 - How is it af... - 9/8/2005 9:42:50 PM

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ORIGINAL: Ojedieu

Bush is an idiot, who struts and frets his hour upon our nation and then (hopefully) is heard no more.
Please invade us and rid us of this nutjob!

You make me happy in a very special place. If I wasn't already married to another lovely Lady I'd so totally propose.

Heehee *grin*

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RE: My First Experience with U.S.C. 2257 - How is it af... - 9/8/2005 11:53:33 PM

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well i suppose we could invade Yyous down there.... but we'd have to have a meeting (at least one), on it and then take a vote on it and have coffee and do the lunch thing and gee, thats an awful big expense and i think i gotta do my nails anyways that day and if we down there, who will walk our dogs???
point is, we dont wanna! its too much work!
lol
buffiyum, da cannuck

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RE: My First Experience with U.S.C. 2257 - How is it af... - 9/9/2005 9:46:53 PM

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well i suppose we could invade Yyous down there.... but we'd have to have a meeting (at least one), on it and then take a vote on it and have coffee and do the lunch thing and gee, thats an awful big expense and i think i gotta do my nails anyways that day and if we down there, who will walk our dogs???
point is, we dont wanna! its too much work!
lol
buffiyum, da cannuck

*chuckle* That reminds me, did you ever see the Canadian "Marry an American" website that came out shortly after the last election fiasco down here? They were trying to save as many single Americans from the tragedy as possible. I found it very sweet (even if it was a tongue-in-cheek joke). Same thing from the "Sorry, World!" website and the responses we got from the rest of the world to offer all the anti-Bush folk asylum should we need it. Doesn't stop Bush from ruining our country, nor is it likely even feasible that we would be taken in by the host country as asylum seekers, but heartwarming nonetheless.

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RE: My First Experience with U.S.C. 2257 - How is it af... - 9/15/2005 6:56:40 PM

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i guess they are going to expand this law to include much more ..

http://www.avn.com/index.php?Primary_Navigation=Articles&Action=View_Article&Content_ID=240477

Among other provisions, the bill targets adult citizens who record visual images of consensual sexual activity in the privacy of their own homes, adds nudity and clothed images of pubic areas to the definition of “explicit sexual activity” as defined in U.S.C. 18 §2256, and criminalizes the production and distribution of R-rated mainstream motion pictures that fail to comply with the record creation and notice provisions of 2257

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RE: My First Experience with U.S.C. 2257 - How is it af... - 9/25/2005 4:47:05 PM

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A few points...

#1 Every law spoke of in this thread can and is actually superseded by the Constitution. There are probably hundreds of laws on the books, that if taken to the supreme court to be argued, would probably be overturned.

#2 U.S.C. 2257 isn't that bad of a law in my opinion. If you read it carefully it only pertains to people who are making money on sexually explicit material. If you read it fully you see that if you don't fall under the stipulations of section A, then the rest of the law doesn't apply to you. Notice the word "commerce" in section A. If what your doing doesn't involve commerce or business then it does not apply to you. Putting a nude picture of your girlfriend/wife/sub on your website is still completely legal. As soon as money has changed hands over a picture of movie then you fall under the law.

#3 Child pornography destroys lives, and in reality in the nation we live in law enforcement officials have very little power. Many times child pornographers walk free because of technical legalities, or because law enforcement simply does not have the reach they need to prove these people guilty in court. My best friend just became a police officer, and if you ever had the chance to sit down and talk to a police officer about what they can and can't do, you would wonder how they do their jobs at all. Law enforcement is so strickly regulated it surprises me they are effective at what they do at all.

#4 Keeping records of actors/atresses in pornography is a quick and simply housekeeping procedure that doesn't involve large expense on the proprietors of the business and which does help protect children. After reading the bill fully I must admit that nothing stood out as being unreasonable or "over the top".

#5 When the news media makes statements such as "Among other provisions, the bill targets adult citizens who record visual images of consensual sexual activity in the privacy of their own homes, adds nudity and clothed images of pubic areas to the definition of “explicit sexual activity” as defined in U.S.C. 18 §2256, and criminalizes the production and distribution of R-rated mainstream motion pictures that fail to comply with the record creation and notice provisions of 2257" you would benefit from actually reading a copy of the bill yourself and making your own decision. THe news media rarely if ever strives to depict correctly the true situation if it isn't imflammatory or emotionally charged. I have personally been interviewed by the local news several times, and each and every time the video was edited to make me look like a fool, and the intention of my words completely reshaped into something grotesqeuly inaccurate.

#6 I am a Bush supporter, but I am also into kink as much as any any other man here. I am an intelligent person and don't blindly follow anyone without analyzing the situation first. I disagree with Bush on several points, and many republican politicians on other points. however the means justify the ends in this particular case. Any law that would help apprehend child molestors or exploiters I would support even if it did have some unwanted negative effects on my own life. I still stand by my opinion that the laws discussed in this thread are not that horrible by any stretch, and there is no real underground "Bush" movement to control the sexual behavior of Americans. The proof for it just isn't there. There is proof of some over-zelous lawmakers, but I believe their hearts to be in the right place if not their pens.

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RE: My First Experience with U.S.C. 2257 - How is it af... - 9/25/2005 4:55:54 PM

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and there is no real underground "Bush" movement to control the sexual behavior of Americans. The proof for it just isn't there. There is proof of some over-zelous lawmakers, but I believe their hearts to be in the right place if not their pens.

You might want to check on what your "never met a torture he didn't like" attorney general is requesting the FBI to set up.

But of course you are new here, I'm sure you found this old thread entirely by accident on which to place your first post and don't have any political agenda yourself.

Anyone wanna buy a bridge?

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RE: My First Experience with U.S.C. 2257 - How is it af... - 9/25/2005 4:57:41 PM

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and there is no real underground "Bush" movement to control the sexual behavior of Americans. The proof for it just isn't there. There is proof of some over-zelous lawmakers, but I believe their hearts to be in the right place if not their pens.

You might want to check on what your "never met a torture he didn't like" attorney general is requesting the FBI to set up.

But of course you are new here, I'm sure you found this old thread entirely by accident on which to place your first post and don't have any political agenda yourself.

Anyone wanna buy a bridge?

does it go from pt. arthur texas across to new orleans' 9th ward? i'd like that bridge.

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RE: My First Experience with U.S.C. 2257 - How is it af... - 9/25/2005 5:09:04 PM

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ORIGINAL: Behest

A few points...

#1 Every law spoke of in this thread can and is actually superseded by the Constitution. There are probably hundreds of laws on the books, that if taken to the supreme court to be argued, would probably be overturned.

i have to wonder what can be done during the ensuing time and if the end result will depend upon who sits in those big chairs?

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#2 U.S.C. 2257 isn't that bad of a law in my opinion. If you read it carefully it only pertains to people who are making money on sexually explicit material. If you read it fully you see that if you don't fall under the stipulations of section A, then the rest of the law doesn't apply to you. Notice the word "commerce" in section A. If what your doing doesn't involve commerce or business then it does not apply to you. Putting a nude picture of your girlfriend/wife/sub on your website is still completely legal. As soon as money has changed hands over a picture of movie then you fall under the law.

how about selling a picasso nude (he did take photographs)?

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#3 Child pornography destroys lives, and in reality in the nation we live in law enforcement officials have very little power. Many times child pornographers walk free because of technical legalities, or because law enforcement simply does not have the reach they need to prove these people guilty in court. My best friend just became a police officer, and if you ever had the chance to sit down and talk to a police officer about what they can and can't do, you would wonder how they do their jobs at all. Law enforcement is so strickly regulated it surprises me they are effective at what they do at all.

we have this divison of the los angeles police department called the rampart division that got a bit of notariety....and i've forgotten the name of the ones in new york and chicago that were also doing their jobs kinda funny. and dang, a bunch of the police in new orleans went awol. it's also said that some of the police in florida contributed to something they called voter intimidation. i think they were pretty effective.

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RE: My First Experience with U.S.C. 2257 - How is it af... - 9/25/2005 6:21:48 PM

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I honestly have no agenda. I consider myself well educated and I keep up with current news and events. These subjects are of interest to me in my life. I even admitted that I was a Bush supporter in the interests of full disclosure. I read both sides of the arguments and the laws themselves and I honestly don't see any part of them that I would consider irrational.

I disagree with Bush and republicans on numerous issues. Abortion, stem cell research, and energy research apprpriations to name but a few.

As far as selling a Picasso nude... Well I highly doubt that any such transaction would ever be held up against these laws. Thats an extreme example put forth only to make a point and I don't believe that example would ever actually happen in the real world, however your intent is understood.

As far as accusations of voter intimidation in Florida, and the police that disappeared in New Orleans, these are both incidents the occured in extreme conditions. I frankly will not take the time to address the few exceptions to the rule. I was speaking of generalities. I can comfortably make the statement that a rock dropped from 10 feet will go down, and you can add on "Well what if you were in space?". I am focusing on the probable, not all of the possibles.

As far the Bush appointments of empty Supreme Court decisions, I will grant you that they are of phenomenol importance. However, when everything is said and done, even a mentally disturbed man can only deviate so far from what is stated very clearly in the constitution.

Politics in America had always been a pendulum, and if right now it seems to be swinging a bit away from the side you would like it on, I wouldn't worry too much. It will edge itself back your way in time.

My main thesis is that these are not worthy of a call to arms. They may perhaps be a bit exhuberant, but after reading them several times I honestly don't see how the average person interested in BDSM will be affected.

These are just my views. I don't claim to be omnipotent, and am frequently wrong on many things including politics. I just figured I would share my point of view since it happened to differ from the majority of the populace here.

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RE: My First Experience with U.S.C. 2257 - How is it af... - 9/25/2005 7:23:53 PM

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I honestly have no agenda. I consider myself well educated and I keep up with current news and events. These subjects are of interest to me in my life. I even admitted that I was a Bush supporter in the interests of full disclosure. I read both sides of the arguments and the laws themselves and I honestly don't see any part of them that I would consider irrational.

I disagree with Bush and republicans on numerous issues. Abortion, stem cell research, and energy research apprpriations to name but a few.

As far as selling a Picasso nude... Well I highly doubt that any such transaction would ever be held up against these laws. Thats an extreme example put forth only to make a point and I don't believe that example would ever actually happen in the real world, however your intent is understood.

As far as accusations of voter intimidation in Florida, and the police that disappeared in New Orleans, these are both incidents the occured in extreme conditions. I frankly will not take the time to address the few exceptions to the rule. I was speaking of generalities. I can comfortably make the statement that a rock dropped from 10 feet will go down, and you can add on "Well what if you were in space?". I am focusing on the probable, not all of the possibles.

As far the Bush appointments of empty Supreme Court decisions, I will grant you that they are of phenomenol importance. However, when everything is said and done, even a mentally disturbed man can only deviate so far from what is stated very clearly in the constitution.

Politics in America had always been a pendulum, and if right now it seems to be swinging a bit away from the side you would like it on, I wouldn't worry too much. It will edge itself back your way in time.

My main thesis is that these are not worthy of a call to arms. They may perhaps be a bit exhuberant, but after reading them several times I honestly don't see how the average person interested in BDSM will be affected.

These are just my views. I don't claim to be omnipotent, and am frequently wrong on many things including politics. I just figured I would share my point of view since it happened to differ from the majority of the populace here.

Nice to see someone here can state an opinion (which you have every right to do) with calm and grace. We as a people/country would get along better and maybe get more done if they took your approach. Name calling, personal attacks, children used as political weapons, pointless point, etc. to make a point in a debate doesn’t work, it only turns people off from your point of view. Thus, there is no victory on any issues and we all lose. ALL OF US!!

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RE: My First Experience with U.S.C. 2257 - How is it af... - 9/25/2005 7:26:59 PM

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all. Law enforcement is so strickly regulated it surprises me they are effective at what they do at all. we have this divison of the los angeles police department called the rampart division that got a bit of notariety....and i've forgotten the name of the ones in new york and chicago that were also doing their jobs kinda funny. and dang, a bunch of the police in new orleans went awol. it's also said that some of the police in florida contributed to something they called voter intimidation. i think they were pretty effective.

I was a police reporter in the 1960s. Police are as a whole are probably the least watched "branch of government" in this country and as a result corruption runs rampant. Sadly, it's not the "cop for sale" kind, but officers enforcing what they THINK should be the law.

On a large scale that lead to the FBI's clearly unconsitutional CoInTelPro operations where breaking and entering and worse were sanctioned the highest level to the framing by Boston police of Joseph Salvati for the murder of Eddie Deegan which was actually committed by the brother of a prominent Boston politician.

I regularly saw officers beating up unresisting protesters and anyone who didn't fit into their narrow Catholic viewpoints because "they deserved it" or to get confessions.

Of course now in the post-911 age, all that isn't illegal any more; just ask the Attorney General.

What you may not know too is the police aren't required to help individual citizens in trouble. They have gone to court regularly arguing their task is to protect "society" and they can't be held responsible when officers know or see crimes being committed and do nothing.

The police really aren't here to protect us. In many cases we need protection from them.

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RE: My First Experience with U.S.C. 2257 - How is it af... - 9/25/2005 8:34:00 PM

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Well John, usually I think you are right on, but being realistic you gotta see whats up daddio.....

You can't expect us to be complacent like the old days and police our people; well hell; John we got WMD in -- ok maybe not here but we sure got em in--, ok try this on..........so its really important that we check the terrorists shoes or anyone that doesn't agree with governmental policy because they wear shoes--certainly you see that right? and those people that rot our country to the core (since we can't find any pinko commie bastards or WMD or even poor russians to fight) all wear shoes, you see?

So indeed, those that are in the para-military organizations who will use deadly force as a first measure also wear shoes so they understand what you are going through but cannot help you becsuse shoes are not included in the freedoms of the constitiution, now, John here is where it gets important. We can not have Osama Bin Louden running around Iraq bombing people every 9/11 just before christmas, nor can we afford people just running around not talking english in Afganistan...... if we could get these things under control then we could look to our own future..........I mean goddamit, John you are old enough...had we not went into Viet Nam and so forth well hell, it would be like............
Oh, yeah that again.....Ugly American...........

But anyway, never mind. What's important is that we never have another president in there who just wanted a little air start every morning(and here we go on with our day-to-day lives like nothing is going on), we need one who is gonna be close to jesus and get this country straight
Because thats what makes this country great and this is what this country means, Know whadda' mean Vern? AWwwwwww Vern, now, don't do that, my daddy---Uh Uh Vern!!!!!!!!!!!!!1

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RE: My First Experience with U.S.C. 2257 - How is it af... - 9/26/2005 9:14:36 PM

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You might want to check on what your "never met a torture he didn't like" attorney general is requesting the FBI to set up.

But of course you are new here, I'm sure you found this old thread entirely by accident on which to place your first post and don't have any political agenda yourself.

Anyone wanna buy a bridge?

Shame on you sir - what a lame post.

You said nothing of substance, nothing in response to anything the postwer said, and only offered a backhand insult by impugning the poster's motives.

I'll agree with Behest on two points:

1) The Constitution is the law of the land, and legislators can't trump it.

2) I prefer primary sources when I want to make up my own mind. Reading the text is really only way to make an informed decision. No doubt thoughtful commentary from a secondary source can help as an addition - but I can't imagine for example writing a positin paper on something I hadn't actually read - just read someone else's feed.

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