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RE: Faith to the faithless, a perspective - 2/4/2008 7:10:57 PM   
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CelticLord, how many non-believers do you think cry out "Help me GOD",
or "GOD" I am dying, or something similar as they leave this world?
 
What DO Non-believers say when something horrible happens or they or a loved
one is dying?

Does anyone know?
I mean WHO do they call on?
  seriously? Ghostbusters?
 
Who are ya gonna call?

< Message edited by MzMia -- 2/4/2008 7:11:41 PM >


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RE: Faith to the faithless, a perspective - 2/4/2008 7:12:59 PM   
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ORIGINAL: MzMia

CelticLord, how many non-believers do you think cry out "Help me GOD",
or "GOD" I am dying, or something similar as they leave this world?



The question is its own answer. By the terms you have established, the answer is necessarily zero in all cases.

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RE: Faith to the faithless, a perspective - 2/4/2008 7:13:19 PM   
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Quite. And thus logic requires that...

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RE: Faith to the faithless, a perspective - 2/4/2008 7:16:48 PM   
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lol
Come here my little lost sheep. {heathen}
Just don't try to feel my breast, as I comfort you!

MzMia:
If I don't get to play in the promised land then the deal is off.
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RE: Faith to the faithless, a perspective - 2/4/2008 7:19:38 PM   
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ORIGINAL: thompsonx

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ORIGINAL: MzMia

lol
Come here my little lost sheep. {heathen}
Just don't try to feel my breast, as I comfort you!

MzMia:
If I don't get to play in the promised land then the deal is off.
thompson



I imagine ONLY wonderful in HEAVEN.
I will play for eternity.
Can we get a CollarMe in Heaven? Celtic Lord?
I guess we need to bring Mod 11.

 


< Message edited by MzMia -- 2/4/2008 7:21:06 PM >


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RE: Faith to the faithless, a perspective - 2/4/2008 7:20:14 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: MzMia

CelticLord, how many non-believers do you think cry out "Help me GOD",
or "GOD" I am dying, or something similar as they leave this world?
 
What DO Non-believers say when something horrible happens or they or a loved
one is dying?

Does anyone know?
I mean WHO do they call on?
  seriously? Ghostbusters?
 
Who are ya gonna call?

MzMia:
I read someplace that the last words on the cockpit voice recorders of crashed airplanes are...."oh shit"
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RE: Faith to the faithless, a perspective - 2/4/2008 7:22:03 PM   
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I never believed in Santa. I was raised jewish. I am not religious but I do believe in a higher consciousness and higher power. I do believe in evolution. I do not believe the world was created in 6 days. Unless you say day is am arbitrary definition.

I have seen enough unexplainable things. Kismet, psychic phenomenon, energy exchange, ESP that gives pause as there can be no other reason than a higher power. How can random things line up in such a way that my mother knew something happened by gut and saved grandmas life.

The other thing is I teach science and anatomy. They are both marvelous things. Science does explain alot. But the fact that the body is such a miracle and makes perfect sense. The marvels of the immune system. cellular anatomy physhics.

Science makes too much sence to be random. Some power with an incredible consciousness had to create it. Thats what I believe.

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RE: Faith to the faithless, a perspective - 2/4/2008 7:24:13 PM   
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I never believed in Santa. I was raised jewish. I am not religious but I do believe in a higher consciousness and higher power. I do believe in evolution. I do not believe the world was created in 6 days. Unless you say day is am arbitrary definition.

I have seen enough unexplainable things. Kismet, psychic phenomenon, energy exchange, ESP that gives pause as there can be no other reason than a higher power. How can random things line up in such a way that my mother knew something happened by gut and saved grandmas life.

The other thing is I teach science and anatomy. They are both marvelous things. Science does explain alot. But the fact that the body is such a miracle and makes perfect sense. The marvels of the immune system. cellular anatomy physhics.

Science makes too much sence to be random. Some power with an incredible consciousness had to create it. Thats what I believe.


Thank you so much lucious!
When I look at the stars, moon, etc. at night, all the different animals,

the Solar System and all the different races on this earth, NO ONE
CAN TELL ME I DON'T HAVE A CREATOR.

NO ONE!

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RE: Faith to the faithless, a perspective - 2/4/2008 7:25:12 PM   
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ORIGINAL: lusciouslips19

I never believed in Santa. I was raised jewish. I am not religious but I do believe in a higher consciousness and higher power. I do believe in evolution. I do not believe the world was created in 6 days. Unless you say day is am arbitrary definition.

I have seen enough unexplainable things. Kismet, psychic phenomenon, energy exchange, ESP that gives pause as there can be no other reason than a higher power. How can random things line up in such a way that my mother knew something happened by gut and saved grandmas life.

The other thing is I teach science and anatomy. They are both marvelous things. Science does explain alot. But the fact that the body is such a miracle and makes perfect sense. The marvels of the immune system. cellular anatomy physhics.

Science makes too much sence to be random. Some power with an incredible consciousness had to create it. Thats what I believe.


Adaptation, my darling. That is the real miracle, the human ability to adapt.

Our bodies are still adapting, still changing. We are anything but intelligently designed. Our poor lower back is a perfect example. We may be walking upright now, but our lower backs haven't quite gotten there yet.

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RE: Faith to the faithless, a perspective - 2/4/2008 7:28:13 PM   
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ORIGINAL: lazarus1983

quote:

ORIGINAL: lusciouslips19

I never believed in Santa. I was raised jewish. I am not religious but I do believe in a higher consciousness and higher power. I do believe in evolution. I do not believe the world was created in 6 days. Unless you say day is am arbitrary definition.

I have seen enough unexplainable things. Kismet, psychic phenomenon, energy exchange, ESP that gives pause as there can be no other reason than a higher power. How can random things line up in such a way that my mother knew something happened by gut and saved grandmas life.

The other thing is I teach science and anatomy. They are both marvelous things. Science does explain alot. But the fact that the body is such a miracle and makes perfect sense. The marvels of the immune system. cellular anatomy physhics.

Science makes too much sence to be random. Some power with an incredible consciousness had to create it. Thats what I believe.


Adaptation, my darling. That is the real miracle, the human ability to adapt.

Our bodies are still adapting, still changing. We are anything but intelligently designed. Our poor lower back is a perfect example. We may be walking upright now, but our lower backs haven't quite gotten there yet.


What did we adapt FROM?
I want to know what started this whole thing we call evolution?

NOTHING????

big bang theory?
logic please man

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RE: Faith to the faithless, a perspective - 2/4/2008 7:30:20 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: MzMia

CelticLord, how many non-believers do you think cry out "Help me GOD",
or "GOD" I am dying, or something similar as they leave this world?
 
What DO Non-believers say when something horrible happens or they or a loved
one is dying?

Does anyone know?
I mean WHO do they call on?
  seriously? Ghostbusters?
 
Who are ya gonna call?


How about you ask? There are enough of us here. And on this instance, I won't presume to know what people will scream out in their dying moments. Nobody can know for sure. How many believers have screamed something other than god? How many believers sit there in their dying moments, and wonder if god is so omnipotent, why does it allow pain?

Perhaps I will scream for my mother? Perhaps for my grandfather? Maybe for Spaceman Frank Hickey? Perhaps I really will scream for Ghostbusters.

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RE: Faith to the faithless, a perspective - 2/4/2008 7:31:02 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: MzMia

quote:

ORIGINAL: lusciouslips19

I never believed in Santa. I was raised jewish. I am not religious but I do believe in a higher consciousness and higher power. I do believe in evolution. I do not believe the world was created in 6 days. Unless you say day is am arbitrary definition.

I have seen enough unexplainable things. Kismet, psychic phenomenon, energy exchange, ESP that gives pause as there can be no other reason than a higher power. How can random things line up in such a way that my mother knew something happened by gut and saved grandmas life.

The other thing is I teach science and anatomy. They are both marvelous things. Science does explain alot. But the fact that the body is such a miracle and makes perfect sense. The marvels of the immune system. cellular anatomy physhics.

Science makes too much sence to be random. Some power with an incredible consciousness had to create it. Thats what I believe.


Thank you so much lucious!
When I look at the stars, moon, etc. at night, all the different animals,

the Solar System and all the different races on this earth, NO ONE
CAN TELL ME I DON'T HAVE A CREATOR.

NO ONE!



Yes! A seed is planted and something grows.
I just feel that something planted the seed or enacted the cycle.

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RE: Faith to the faithless, a perspective - 2/4/2008 7:33:17 PM   
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i want to go crying out "HARRY CARAY"


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RE: Faith to the faithless, a perspective - 2/4/2008 7:34:46 PM   
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MzMia:
Can we puleeeezzzz get back to you clutching my head to your bosom and consoling this heathen?
thompson

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RE: Faith to the faithless, a perspective - 2/4/2008 7:35:10 PM   
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And as usual, I find myself shaking my head, at the fact that one side is so convinced that the other is full of it...and yet adopts the same logical fallacies and BS debate tactics in support of their assertions...

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RE: Faith to the faithless, a perspective - 2/4/2008 7:37:22 PM   
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ORIGINAL: MzMia

quote:

ORIGINAL: lazarus1983

quote:

ORIGINAL: lusciouslips19

I never believed in Santa. I was raised jewish. I am not religious but I do believe in a higher consciousness and higher power. I do believe in evolution. I do not believe the world was created in 6 days. Unless you say day is am arbitrary definition.

I have seen enough unexplainable things. Kismet, psychic phenomenon, energy exchange, ESP that gives pause as there can be no other reason than a higher power. How can random things line up in such a way that my mother knew something happened by gut and saved grandmas life.

The other thing is I teach science and anatomy. They are both marvelous things. Science does explain alot. But the fact that the body is such a miracle and makes perfect sense. The marvels of the immune system. cellular anatomy physhics.

Science makes too much sence to be random. Some power with an incredible consciousness had to create it. Thats what I believe.


Adaptation, my darling. That is the real miracle, the human ability to adapt.

Our bodies are still adapting, still changing. We are anything but intelligently designed. Our poor lower back is a perfect example. We may be walking upright now, but our lower backs haven't quite gotten there yet.


What did we adapt FROM?
I want to know what started this whole thing we call evolution?

NOTHING????

big bang theory?
logic please man


We evolved from some form of primate.

Logic? You point out to me the logic in religion. And here's our good man Robert A. Heinlein on religion:

The most preposterous notion that H. sapiens has ever dreamed up is that the Lord God of Creation, Shaper and Ruler of all the Universes, wants the saccharine adoration of His creatures, can be swayed by their prayers, and becomes petulant if He does not receive this flattery. Yet this absurd fantasy, without a shred of evidence to bolster it, pays all the expenses of the oldest, largest, and least productive industry in all history.
The second most preposterous notion is that copulation is inherently sinful.



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RE: Faith to the faithless, a perspective - 2/4/2008 7:37:47 PM   
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This one? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Harry_Caray

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RE: Faith to the faithless, a perspective - 2/4/2008 7:38:01 PM   
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MzMia:
Can we puleeeezzzz get back to you clutching my head to your bosom and consoling this heathen?
thompson


lol
I think there is hope for you!
I mean, WHO does not want to go to heaven?

As this planet is getting worse and worse, and we destroy it
at the very least we are eventually going to need to find a new planet
to destroy.


One day, I want to hear from a "non-Believer" their theory of creation.
A theory that will explain the other planets, stars, moons, galaxy, and all the
creatures, nature, human beings, etc. on this earth.

I would think logically, IF I were a Non-Believer, I would want really good facts and
evidence to back up my Non-Belief.

< Message edited by MzMia -- 2/4/2008 7:42:47 PM >


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RE: Faith to the faithless, a perspective - 2/4/2008 7:38:46 PM   
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i want to go crying out "HARRY CARAY"




Good one. Off the wall, but all's the better. I think I'll go out screaming "KHAAAAAAAANNNNNNNNNNNNN!!!"

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RE: Faith to the faithless, a perspective - 2/4/2008 7:39:02 PM   
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yep

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