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Men and a few women dont understand these strong bonds that women can have whith each other. Women Feel so deeply and emotionally. Their love for each other is strong and so are all the feelings that are brought forth in us through others words and opinions.

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ORIGINAL: Darcyandthedark

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Wow! Thanks for disliking me in such a polite manner.
Really this discussion was based on the thread between you and kittensol. You said the thread made you wonder if you subconsciously stayed away from women because they are bitches. Again, I am paraphrasing. Because of course, you are so above that frey..of being a bitch. I'm sure saying you are not interested in me in the least was'nt being bitchy, just polite and honest.

Kittensol evoked a thought in you about maybe staying away from women friendship because of what you percieve as I guess their failings. What you had said about staying away from women consciously or subconsciously evoked quite alot of negative memory in me. it evoked the memory a some mean women. It evoked the memory of a woman bartender at a restaurant I worked at for a short period of time telling me to my face that she thought all women were bithces(except her). She thought women waitstaff were "sloppy". Yes, Its hard to look neat in a tuxedo shirt with those pesky breasts and the fact that women iron their own uniform.

Some women seem to think they have to seperate themselves from other women in an elitist attitude. The QueenBee syndrome of "I am better than all of you ",attitude. frankly, I think that stinks. So whether you intended it that way or not, the fact that you could even hint at the fact that you may seperate yourself from other women, it evoked a bad feeling in me and perhaps in others too.

i never said that men and women dont love having each other in their lives. We adore each other and I NEVER implied otherwise.

I do not very often post entire quotes when they are long, but as you are in the habit of going back and re-edditing your initial words, I have done so on this occasion.
Honestly, what you wrote about the queen bee?  You already have already done.
And here is another prime example of why I rarely respond to any of your posts and made an exception in this one thread.  Because you go off on one.  Because it always comes down to you, you, you.  But not because you are a woman.  Because you are you.  You have problems with someone in your past - what did I say before?  I don't care.  Use whatever excuse you want, it doesn't make you any less responsible for your behaviour.  I don't blame my past on what I do today.  It shaped me and moulded me, but use it as an explaination?
 
So, you made it personal and that is what it comes down to.  It wasn't -  I was repeating how your posts came across and discussing them with you -  which obviously was a waste of time - or maybe not, other people are reading this hey.
 
I have never once claimed not to be a bitch.  I have never claimed to be above any other female or seperated myself from them, if you go back, you will see the concluesion I reached in the discussion with kittin.  It isn't my thread as you implied, it was kittinsol and I simply responded, just like countless others.  As I have said before, I like both kittin and red and enjoy both their postings and the abilities they have.
 
You have called me a bitch.  Yes, I am perfectly comfortable to be called that.  I do not see it as such the horrid turn of phrase others do.  You believe what I wrote to be 'polite bitching'?  I don't do polite bitching, I do my own thoughts on a subject, I do directness, but not polite bitching.  If I do bitch - I do it.  Make no doubt there.
Just because I say I have no inclination to know you, that's 'polite bitching'?  What if I was a man saying that?  Or does it come down to the fact that because I am female you are imposing bitchiness on me?
 
So what it all comes down to - finally - is that bitchiness is simply another word for saying 'disagree'?
Now, that, I would disagree with - but would that make me a bitch?
Or does the fact that I said 'would that make me a bitch' - make others assume I was being bitchy?
 
The case continues...

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The fact of the matter is our relationships(with other women) can ( focus on can not is absolutely) be very contentious filled with great love and hate that circle back round to love. These bonds have been written about in countless books.

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Men and a few women dont understand these strong bonds that women can have whith each other. Women Feel so deeply and emotionally. Their love for each other is strong and so are all the feelings that are brought forth in us through others words and opinions.

This is Darcy
 
I have to say I think this statement is, pardon my French, complete bollocks.
 
I am a man, and I understand perfectly the bonds that exist between friends, and have bonds and emotional ties with friends, both male and female, than run very, very deep and are are very strong. I am closer to these friends than to my own family, and as much as I love, cherish and adore the.dark.  if one of my friends really needed me to be there then I would, unquestioningly and unconditionally.
 
There is a popular misconception that all women are soooo close to their friends, and that all men are only capable of shallow bonds with their friends, and that they can only be friends with a woman if they secretly want to shag them, but this is simply not the case.
 
I'm sure you're an intelligent woman, but statements like the one quoted suggest that you don't really understand men at all, as not all of us are the same, in the way that not all women are the same. Some men are morons, it's true, and don't get the strength and depth that true friendships can deliver, but equally there are women who have trouble walking and talking in tandem, let alone understand anything beyond the complications of opening a bottle of nail polish or changing the TV channel. We can't, male or female, all be tarred with the same brush.
 
I can't speak for any other man on this board, but my friendships run every bit as deep and strong as any women's, and I'm not afraid to declare my love for my friends, and that I would die, lie or even kill for the closest of them.
 
This isn't a personal attack, I don't know you well enough to judge whether you are worthy of my interest or not, merely an observation on your statement. My regards to your Master.

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Many of us seem to loose much time battling with one another instead of pursuing our individual goals, I completely agree.

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Now that I'm getting older, I FEAR the signs of ageing, whilst my brother and other youngish males don't even think about it.

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Many of us seem to loose much time battling with one another instead of pursuing our individual goals, I completely agree.

Actually, this is one of the things I have forwarded as one of the explanations as to how patriarchy was established in the first place.

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(...) low-intensity violence is first and foremost a way to "get something out of your system" for men; a catharsis thing. For more serious things, duels have been common throughout history, while murder and firing people tends to fill that role nowadays. Hardly admirable from a humanist position, but certainly something that has worked.

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Women tend to get locked into a conflict more easily, and try to gain the upper hand by taking the other person down, rather than by elevating themselves.

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There is something curiously illustrative about a theme we often see here on CollarMe: someone posts about how they are in a relationship with a man, and he has another woman on the side, or some variation thereof. Instead of realizing that he is the bastard they should be ganging up on, the vitriol is reserved for the other woman.

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Similarly, as noted in the Slut Manifesto and other places, the objectification of the female genitalia originates with women themselves, as they make it an object of commerce and try to control the market through culture. (Labels like "slut," "whore" and so forth are mimicked by men, but not originated by them.)

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It took women working together to realize suffrage, while men did that all along.

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(...) did men suddenly decide to rise up and overturn the social order completely in some grand design on power, or did women just drop the ball at some point, and then stood around arguing about it for a few millenia before somebody noted that they should get on with the ballgame?

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I abhor it, and wish women could show more solidarity and friendship towards each other.

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Or... people can show solidarity and friendship with people.

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Right... and men can show solidarity and friendship with each other.
Or... people can show solidarity and friendship with people.

Not exactly a novel idea, but it doesn't seem to be catching on among people of either gender. Perhaps because not nuking each other into the stone age is as good as solidarity and friendship gets, unless there is some common ground upon which to build that. And being a woman doesn't seem to provide a lot more common ground than being a human (incidentally, I think that can be interpreted as a good thing, as it lends a certain credibility to that whole "I am a human" idea).

Health,
al-Aswad.

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ORIGINAL: LaTigresse

I don't NEED to try and humiliate them, they do such a good job all by themself.

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if all women are born to be bitches then all men are born to be sex offenders, sure there's probably a rather high percentage of potential ones on either sides but you shouldn't say all women are it ,some of us get offended"!!!!!

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ORIGINAL: mnottertail

I've peaked at not building pipe bombs.

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Reminds me of something I noted in the thread about Hilton going to jail or whatever: everyone was ecstatic about seeing her "taken down a notch." To me, that always seems petty and vindictive.

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I thought men would punch each other then get a beer.  Everyone knows that men are physical; chicks are verbal.