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RE: Do Men understand Women? - 2/8/2008 6:21:41 PM

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So would you agree that the lack of understading is like seeing each other as a mystery?

No. Someone is mysterious to me if I don't know them. I can know someone but still not understand them.

I think we can become familiar with how someone operates. In other words, a man can learn a woman well enough to anticipate her, or in some cases women in general, but I don't believe there is much true, in-depth understanding. I think that lack of understanding is at the root of a lot of problems men and women have.

Don't get me wrong, I do think that the opposite sex does have the capacity to develop some understanding. But I think that most often our own perceptions get in the way and hamper us. And while this is a very broad generalization and by no means includes every single person, I believe that women are in some ways more receptive to trying to understand men; I've met few men who really cared about understanding women.

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RE: Do Men understand Women? - 2/8/2008 6:33:00 PM

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So would you agree that the lack of understading is like seeing each other as a mystery?

No. Someone is mysterious to me if I don't know them. I can know someone but still not understand them.

I think we can become familiar with how someone operates. In other words, a man can learn a woman well enough to anticipate her, or in some cases women in general, but I don't believe there is much true, in-depth understanding. I think that lack of understanding is at the root of a lot of problems men and women have.

Don't get me wrong, I do think that the opposite sex does have the capacity to develop some understanding. But I think that most often our own perceptions get in the way and hamper us. And while this is a very broad generalization and by no means includes every single person, I believe that women are in some ways more receptive to trying to understand men; I've met few men who really cared about understanding women.

In alot of ways I dont think its so much a lack of understanding . They may understand but they just dont empathize or identify. they are geared toward a more pragmatic reaction and dont identify with our emotional ones. My sir always says women are more emotional than men and women have feelings of being in love quicker than him and he is slow to commit his heart. he also says that even the colder women who dont express their feelings are still emotional. they just dont express it until they blow their top.

I remember recently watching an episode of Northern Exposure(love that show) In it 2 men were sitting around talking about how frustrating women are. The doctor and the ex Astronaut character. The Astronaut- Morris Miinnifield was talking about the difference between men and women. he said" men are ruled by 2 things. there penis and their stomach. Women have all of these conflicting and complicated emotions and thought processes and hormones. men are much simpiler"

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RE: Do Men understand Women? - 2/8/2008 6:40:35 PM

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I think a Man could understand a Woman and a Woman could understand a Man, if the desire is there to do so.

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No, not women in general. However any good Master has to learn the needs, and limits of his sub.

i guess i fall along these lines...i have understood a few men, and have had a couple who understood me. What really matters for me isn't whether a man understands ALL women...but if he gets my s**t...the quirks, the insecurities, the stuff that i would normally hide because it makes me seem (gasp!) weaker than people perceive me to be...my flaws...and the wonderfully delightful really lovely and intriguing parts as well(the majority of my s**t, of course...wink)

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RE: Do Men understand Women? - 2/8/2008 7:12:36 PM

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... They may understand but they just dont empathize or identify...

I think you and I are agreeing.

What you've termed as empathizing and identifying sounds like what I'm saying is a lack in depth of understanding. We may try to look through another's eyes and see their point of view, but in truth ... while we might get pretty close ... we're still viewing things through the veil of our own self-awareness.

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RE: Do Men understand Women? - 2/8/2008 8:45:59 PM

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Men understand that they will never understand women.
Isn't that why Dominant men and women were invented, so they could say, "because I said so! THWACK"

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RE: Do Men understand Women? - 2/8/2008 9:07:03 PM

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I am not quite sure how you expect opinions to such a large generalization. Is water wet?

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RE: Do Men understand Women? - 2/8/2008 9:24:35 PM

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~~~Men are logical beings; a + b should = c. Women seem to be more emotional beings; A is having a really rough day, and maybe her friends G,H, and J are all having babies and getting married, which means plussing B has just not been the same lately. And how will you feel once you have a bunch of little 'c's running around. Or how will B feel being reduced to a simple equation? Is C really what you want, or should you have put more focus on your career. Maybe what A needs is some Hagen Das and time alone to watch her stories.~~~

i must be a man, becuase everything past the first line made me feel carsick.

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RE: Do Men understand Women? - 2/8/2008 11:45:51 PM

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... They may understand but they just dont empathize or identify...

I think you and I are agreeing.

What you've termed as empathizing and identifying sounds like what I'm saying is a lack in depth of understanding. We may try to look through another's eyes and see their point of view, but in truth ... while we might get pretty close ... we're still viewing things through the veil of our own self-awareness.

Edited for a missing space.

Yea, I knew I was agreeing

Just bringing home the POV!

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RE: Do Men understand Women? - 2/9/2008 3:12:49 AM

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I just don't understand humans in general.....every one is so different and interesting...even enemies and friends.
Guess that makes life so interesting.....to try to understand the ones close to you.

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RE: Do Men understand Women? - 2/9/2008 4:15:21 AM

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I just don't understand humans in general.....every one is so different and interesting...even enemies and friends.
Guess that makes life so interesting.....to try to understand the ones close to you.

How right you are. When in conflict with someone I always try to remember what I learned from the teachings of the Religious Science doctrines.....

Your greatest nemesis, is your greatest teacher.

Also one from the interpertations of the torah called the Mishna....

If your best friend's and your worst enemies donkey and cart breaks down, you are commanded to help your enemy.

Very thought provoking and things to live by.

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RE: Do Men understand Women? - 2/9/2008 4:22:03 AM

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I am not quite sure how you expect opinions to such a large generalization. Is water wet?

Who said expect?

No one has made you answer, and you didnt.

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RE: Do Men understand Women? - 2/9/2008 5:33:59 AM

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Some men understand some women, and vice versa, no one understands everybody. In general i think men understand women more than people think.

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RE: Do Men understand Women? - 2/9/2008 8:56:56 AM

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Some men understand some women, and vice versa, no one understands everybody. In general i think men understand women more than people think.

yea? How so????

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RE: Do Men understand Women? - 2/9/2008 10:19:48 AM

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Some men understand some women, and vice versa, no one understands everybody. In general i think men understand women more than people think.

yea? How so????

You asked for opinions and you got mine. I like to think i understand how a woman feels. I also dont here every man i meet saying " I dont understand women " The generalisation that men dont understand women is in my experience untrue.

Whats the point of you asking for an opinion and leaving silly comments like how so ?

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RE: Do Men understand Women? - 2/9/2008 10:20:50 AM

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Some men understand some women, and vice versa, no one understands everybody. In general i think men understand women more than people think.

yea? How so????

Well, I for one understand that women scream when flogged and moan when fucked. Does that count any?

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RE: Do Men understand Women? - 2/9/2008 10:29:47 AM

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The statement plain and simple is Men dont understand women(their emotions, way of thinking etc)

This is Darcy

By this statement do you mean that all men do not understand women, or that generally men do not understand women? This may seem pedantic, but there is a world of difference between the two statements.

If you mean the former, then I would say your statement is wrong. There are some men that understand women, and who are able to empathise and sympathise and completely 'get' what is going on, but usually only with the women, or woman, closest to them. How do I know this? Because I know that I empathise with and 'get' 100% the.dark.

I don't think that anyone can in general terms understand everybody else, male or female, as each and every person is unique, and anyone who claims to be able to do this with more than one other person is either sadly deluding themselves, or is calling themselves a psychiatrist.

I also don't think that women have any more of an insight into the 'understanding' of women, or men for that matter, than men do. I think that some women would like to think that they are more insightful, or empathic, or just plain smarter than the male of the species, but the truth is, you have as little an idea of the inner workings of other people as the rest of us.

Some women like to think they have these 'special insights' or 'deeper bonds' but we men are capable of insights and bonds just as special and deep, but we just don't feel the need to rattle on and on about it, we just get on with it.

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RE: Do Men understand Women? - 2/9/2008 10:52:03 AM

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Women are such a diverse group. I don't even understand majority of women. When a male friend of mine said after a bad conversation with his girlfriend "aaaaaaarrrrgggg women!!!!!!!!!!!!! " .. all I could say was "I agree with you there..." But then again I'm not a girly girl and only have 2 female friends... I gave up on my own gender a long time ago...

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RE: Do Men understand Women? - 2/9/2008 11:00:42 AM

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To the OP, Why even bother asking the question. Isn't the real question that matters to you whether your dominant understands you and you understand him ? You do not need nor probably want him spending time with other subs or females and talking to them about what they want to talk about just to prove he understands them. Unless of course he is in the psychologist and earns his money that way. But for him to turn away from you to talk to a stranger just to empathixe with her is not what you nor any other sub would probably want from their dominant.

I will toss in that age does play a part also. I might know somebody for 5 years and really understand them but after 20 years, without proper discussions, we may have both changed our ideas about life and what it is we want from the other.

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RE: Do Men understand Women? - 2/9/2008 11:22:23 AM

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Am I the only one who thinks that men and women aren't all that different?

I mean, really, the difference from person to person seems to me to be greater than from a man to a woman.

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RE: Do Men understand Women? - 2/9/2008 11:27:52 AM

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Am I the only one who thinks that men and women aren't all that different?

I mean, really, the difference from person to person seems to me to be greater than from a man to a woman.

if you had read other posts..you would have seen that more think like you ;)

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