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Artery cutting? - 9/12/2005 5:38:49 PM   
olderbbwsub


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"I don't do those little "kitten scratches" that most people would consider "cutting". I cut deep, I cut long and I aim for arteries"

Cutting an artery could kill someone. I was surprised to see that here.
It may be consensual, but not safe or sane.

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RE: Artery cutting? - 9/12/2005 5:55:10 PM   
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ORIGINAL: olderbbwsub

This was allowed on a profile here:
"I don't do those little "kitten scratches" that most people would consider "cutting". I cut deep, I cut long and I aim for arteries"

Cutting an artery could kill someone. I was surprised to see that here.
It may be consensual, but not safe or sane.

Thoughts?


...arteries are basically the same thing as veins... whenever you get a cut or scrape that bleeds (accidently or purposefully) you've opened up an artery or vein. ....so even "kitten scratch" cuts (if they bleed) are opening arteries or veins... ~~~

umm... at least that's the way i understand it (but i'm not a doctor).

Maybe you are thinking all arteries are "coronary arteries"..? so that is why you think it is so dangerous?


edit/btw: my understanding could be wrong....! like i said, i'm no doctor!


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RE: Artery cutting? - 9/12/2005 6:00:59 PM   
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Status: offline 		Arteries are a little bit deeper than the veins. They also have more pressure to pump the blood. So if you were to cut an artery deeply, you could bleed to death quite easily.

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RE: Artery cutting? - 9/12/2005 6:11:36 PM   
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ORIGINAL: olderbbwsub

This was allowed on a profile here:
"I don't do those little "kitten scratches" that most people would consider "cutting". I cut deep, I cut long and I aim for arteries"

Cutting an artery could kill someone. I was surprised to see that here.
It may be consensual, but not safe or sane.

Thoughts?


I try to be as accepting as possible to different kinks, but unless this dom is working IN an operating suite, he's either a fantasy player or a complete idiot.

Arteries are the primary routes from the heart. This means they move a LOT of blood and they do it under significant pressure. Cutting an artery is a good way to die quickly. Useful consciousness is measured in seconds (particularly the femoral artery) or, at best, a few minutes. Blood does not flow; it spurts like a damned fountain, and getting it under control is difficult. Repairing the damage is work for a surgeon.

In my days as a Marine officer and later as a reporter I've had situations where I've been faced with a severed artery. Most of the people envolved did not survive. Those that did had massive and immediate expert medical help.

Sorry to be so blunt, but this is NOT something to play with.


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RE: Artery cutting? - 9/12/2005 6:35:15 PM   
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Status: offline 		Wow....doesn't sound like a good idea.

A very close friend of mine recently accidentally cut himself very badly. He cut through two tendons and at least two arteries. The doctor said if his roommate hadn't found him, he would have bled to death in less than a 1/2 hour.

So...uh...bad idea.

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RE: Artery cutting? - 9/12/2005 7:35:13 PM   
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Maybe my understanding of arteries is wrong...?? but... these websites seem to support my understanding??

http://sln.fi.edu/biosci/vessels/arteries.html
http://www.meddean.luc.edu/lumen/MedEd/GrossAnatomy/learnem/arteries/main_art.htm
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Artery

They seem to say that arteries are throughout the whole body, in the hands and feet and legs and arms and head and chest and trunk and everywhere... and that arteries are merely any blood vessel that carries blood away from the heart... while "veins" are any blood vessel that carries blood back to the heart...

...?
that's why i wondered if people are thinking of coronary arteries as though that were the only type? *puzzlin'* like i said.. i'm no doctor... but...????

i'm wondering what/where most of you are thinking arteries are...?
i'm really not trying to be argumentative or dense.... i'm just... wondering..?

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RE: Artery cutting? - 9/12/2005 7:39:03 PM   
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Status: offline 		An opened artery is otherwise known as a hemorhage (yeah, there are other kinds of hemorhages, too). It's very difficult to stop arterial bleeding and once stopped, it's easy to reopen the artery. The arteries carry blood from the heart, under pressure from the left ventricle. It spurts because it's your PULSE. This is not something anyone should be doing for "play". I'm not even close to being a doctor, but I am an EMT and blood spurting from an artery definitely gets my full attention right away.

Don't do it or let it be done to you.

~edited to address the questions in the post above~

Yeah, they are all through the body. Legs, arms, neck, torso...everywhere. They carry lots of blood under significant pressure. Cut veins are not good, but they bleed more slowly than arteries. The big arteries in the legs and arms (femoral and brachial, respectively) are major pipes. To cut them is to inflict a major, life threatening injury on someone.

Bob

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RE: Artery cutting? - 9/12/2005 7:46:19 PM   
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Status: offline 		Okay.. dense question...

When you get a "paper cut" what type of "vessel" is bleeding???

When you get blood drawn at the hospital what kind of "vessel" is bleeding??

When depressed people "cut" their wrists (without the intention of suicide) what kind of vessels are they cutting?

.....errrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr??
i am almost positive that all blood vessels fall under the artery and vein catagory...??? even superficial vessels that are "pricked" in your finger when taking a diabetic sugar test are arteries...?? ...?

Again, another link
http://www.guidant.com/condition/heart/vessel_intro.shtml

this site says there are only -three- types of blood vessels in the body... "arteries" "veins" and "capillaries"..

it says this about arteries, veins and capillaries:

Arteries

Arteries carry oxygen-rich blood from your heart to the tissues and organs in your body, like your brain, kidneys, and liver. Because they carry blood with oxygen, arteries appear red. Blood flows through arteries with great force. So the walls of arteries are thick and flexible. The thicker walls help protect the arteries against damage from the high pressure.

Arteries get smaller and smaller as they get farther from your heart. At their smallest point, arteries become capillaries.

Capillaries

Capillaries connect arteries to veins. As the tiniest blood vessels, capillaries carry blood to and from every cell in your body. In an adult body, that means trillions of cells.

Capillary walls are so thin that oxygen and nutrients can pass right through them into your body's cells. Waste products and carbon dioxide from the cells can also pass through the walls of capillaries back into your bloodstream.

Veins

Capillaries get larger and larger as they leave each cell and quickly become veins. Veins carry the oxygen-poor blood back to your heart. Because they carry blood without oxygen, veins appear blue. The walls of veins are much thinner than artery walls—they don't have to be as thick because blood flows through veins at a lower pressure.

..i'm confused... about why people think arteries are so dangerous to cut...???

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RE: Artery cutting? - 9/12/2005 7:52:17 PM   
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Status: offline 		Well, let's direct our attention back to the original post. The profile in question allegedly speaks of cutting "deep" and "long" and aiming for arteries. If this is true, I don't think this person is talking about the same vessels we open when checking blood sugar. He is at least implying that he wants to spill some serious blood.

Bob

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RE: Artery cutting? - 9/12/2005 7:59:22 PM   
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ORIGINAL: DesertRat

Well, let's direct our attention back to the original post. The profile in question allegedly speaks of cutting "deep" and "long" and aiming for arteries. If this is true, I don't think this person is talking about the same vessels we open when checking blood sugar. He is at least implying that he wants to spill some serious blood.

Bob


that's true.
long and deep cuts can definitely be dangerous.... ~ i suppose i'm stuck on why the word "artery" seemed to be a concern (like the OPer put in the subject title "Artery Cutting)... ~

but yea... ~~~ long and deep (depending on what the person who wrote the profile meant) could definitely be dangerous. ~ i do agree with that... ~~~ ............... ^_^

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RE: Artery cutting? - 9/12/2005 8:10:35 PM   
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Status: offline 		The word artery is a concern because, as has already been stated, arterys are under higher pressure than other vessels. When one is compromised, you can lose a lot of blood very quickly and such injuries often require surgical intervention to keep a person with an arterial bleed from bleeding out. The high pressure makes it very difficult for such a wound to clot and the likelyhood of turning your play partner into a corpse is significant unless you have an ER handy.

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RE: Artery cutting? - 9/12/2005 9:07:34 PM   
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This was allowed on a profile here:
"I don't do those little "kitten scratches" that most people would consider "cutting". I cut deep, I cut long and I aim for arteries"


This guy sounds not only like a HNG and/or Wanker, but also maybe a Crazy Sociopath, who gets off on putting terror into any woman who may read his profile.
Yet again could be a teenager.
As it has been said... cutting deep and going for the arteries, can easily end in death.
Maybe you should let the Mods know of it's existance.

*Brightspot

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RE: Artery cutting? - 9/12/2005 9:17:12 PM   
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Status: offline 		I know what arteries are, how they can cause someone to hemorrhage and die if cut.
The gent who wrote the profile is a student chemist, and "has a taste for blood."

It may not be illegal, but I just don't think it was a good idea for CollarMe to allow that in a public profile here. Having reported it, (early this morning), I have heard nothing back. May take more time.
The risk is just too high to take part in that kind of activity...(to me).

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RE: Artery cutting? - 9/13/2005 10:15:57 AM   
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Status: offline 		Ragdoll - When blood is drawn from your arm or hand at a hospital, that is a vein. That's why they tell you to apply pressure and keep the bandage on for a bit afterwards. Fingersticks connect with capillaries and they are also the vessels that bleed in the case of most not too deep cuts or scrapes. In the case of the typical "cry for help" cut wrists that goes horizontally across the wrist, unless it's deep, no veins are cut. But in more serious attempts that run vertically, those are meant to hit the arteries and veins.

Arteries are places where you can feel your pulse, which is why so much blood is lost through them. I know there are veins and arteries everywhere - my sister once accidentally cut a vein in her finger when she left a razor blade in her pocket. Venous (sp?) blood is darker because the blood in it is on its way back to the heart to then go to the lungs and get oxygenated.

And I haven't even started nursing school yet. Gods, I'm a nerd.

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RE: Artery cutting? - 9/13/2005 12:34:55 PM   
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Status: offline 		CalliopePurple,

That was a very good explanation, you should do well in Nursing school (and good luck by the way).

Ragdoll,

It can be difficult to understand because in a VERY technical sense, they are alike. The point is that, as everyone is trying to explain, ARTERIES are more important than veins or capillaries. The heart is called the coronary artery yes, but the body had many others. Your carotid artery in your neck for example. I'm sure you realize that if someone "slits your throat" that you could die almost instantly. That is because your carotid artery would be severed. That is the best illustration I can think of for explaining the difference between veins and arteries. The blood in your veins is "used up" so to speak because it is lacking in oxygen, while the blood in your arteries is oxygen rich.

As for the OP, I'm glad you reported it, although as of 3:30 Florida time, it was still there. CM sent me a warning about my profile because of a statement about men who get upset about "shit on their dicks". I would think someone saying he is looking for someone willing to possibly allow him to kill them would be of more concern!

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RE: Artery cutting? - 9/13/2005 2:22:39 PM   
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ORIGINAL: CalliopePurple

Ragdoll - When blood is drawn from your arm or hand at a hospital, that is a vein. That's why they tell you to apply pressure and keep the bandage on for a bit afterwards. Fingersticks connect with capillaries and they are also the vessels that bleed in the case of most not too deep cuts or scrapes. In the case of the typical "cry for help" cut wrists that goes horizontally across the wrist, unless it's deep, no veins are cut. But in more serious attempts that run vertically, those are meant to hit the arteries and veins.

Arteries are places where you can feel your pulse, which is why so much blood is lost through them. I know there are veins and arteries everywhere - my sister once accidentally cut a vein in her finger when she left a razor blade in her pocket. Venous (sp?) blood is darker because the blood in it is on its way back to the heart to then go to the lungs and get oxygenated.

And I haven't even started nursing school yet. Gods, I'm a nerd.


Thanks for the explaination!! that helps me understand a lot!!!... *smiles* .... i definitely am not a doctor and i didn't realise that blood was actually drawn from veins. i guess i assumed people cut and nicked arteries and veins all the time (like when kids get cuts and scrapes that bleed). ~ i didn't know arteries were deeper under the skin, even though they go everywhere in the body.. and that it's usually veins and capillaries that are injured :)

..so! thank you again... ^_^

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RE: Artery cutting? - 9/13/2005 3:33:50 PM   
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Status: offline 		Good grief anyone who would consider cutting someone artery is trying to commit murder. I thought everyone learned in health class what the difference between artery and vessels are. sum up Arteries are the vessels that carry blood to the outer reaches (the periphery) of the body. Arterial blood, freshly enriched with oxygen from the lungs and heart, is a bright red color. It surges along strongly with each beat of the heart. (This is why a cut artery spurts, and why the doctor takes your pulse by feeling an artery.)

Veins are the return network. Through them, blood travels back to the lungs and heart—an uphill trip against gravity from the legs and feet. Blood in the veins has spent its oxygen load, and so appears bluish in color. At the periphery, these two highway systems are linked through a vast network of tiny back roads—little vessels called capillaries that do the work of delivering oxygen to the body's tissues.


SO If you cut a artery then the blood lose is quick because the heart is pumping it out also this is a thicker vessle wall so its takes longer to repair itself. Also will result more in scaring. A vein cut usually oozes and will clot easily unless of course the person is on blood thinners baby asprin or hey lets throw in diabetic all good reasons to not slice someone. And if you dont know what hemophilia is then put the knife down :)

when they talked about scratches most likely all that is opening up Capillaries. Usually not serious you bleed a bit and it clots fast.


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RE: Artery cutting? - 9/13/2005 4:44:11 PM   
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ORIGINAL: CalliopePurple

Ragdoll - When blood is drawn from your arm or hand at a hospital, that is a vein. That's why they tell you to apply pressure and keep the bandage on for a bit afterwards. Fingersticks connect with capillaries and they are also the vessels that bleed in the case of most not too deep cuts or scrapes. In the case of the typical "cry for help" cut wrists that goes horizontally across the wrist, unless it's deep, no veins are cut. But in more serious attempts that run vertically, those are meant to hit the arteries and veins.


And I haven't even started nursing school yet. Gods, I'm a nerd.

the typical case of someone trying to "cry for help" or actually think they will slit their wrists to commit suicide results in no severed arteries, but instead severed median nerve and flexor (bending) tendons that control the fingers. the radial artery is actually on the side of the wrist (think of your thumb facing up and you've got it) while the ulnar artery is on the opposite side of the wrist and deep. it's often not even caught right in the ER as docs sew the remnants of the severed nerve to the flexor tendons.
aside from that, cutting any artery, even the ones to the hands, will result in death in a relatively short amount of time if the bleeding is not stopped. if you've ever cut your finger on the side deeply, and it won't stop bleeding for hour(s) even with direct pressure and elevation, you've likely cut the nerve and artery, as the two tend to run alongside one another in the body.
okay, enough med school preaching for the day. but cutting arteries, carotid, femoral, coronary, or radial is a quick route to the morgue. the only variance is time.

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RE: Artery cutting? - 9/13/2005 5:47:17 PM   
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Status: offline 		Having seen a case or two of arteries (and veins) being the focus of a mishap.............

I would think it rather fair that the person advocating this shit should at least be a barber, have a bamboo steamer and give you a cell phone that can not be traced with movie capability on it................

Then at some predetermined time, say halloween night he calls you and sticks a fuckin ice pick in his femoral artery, having saran wrap and a length of rope and a kotex at his fingertips (you know; shit you find around the house) Have him read the thread "the funniest safe words" to you, at the end he may suture the wound if he has needle and thread or see what he can do with the other goods around the household and if he can finish that out and call you the next day........then I would say if he want's to do the texas chainsaw massacre fantasy with you you ourghta do it!!!!!!!!!!! I would then find this not only SSC but RACK as well under those circumstances.

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RE: Artery cutting? - 9/13/2005 6:35:54 PM   
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It may be consensual, but not safe or sane.


Each has there own. There are safe measures in artery play but you best be ready for the worst and have 911 near by. In this type of play, I'm more concerned with infection and nerve damage rather than bleeding to death. After all, if the artery is cut wrong, you can still stop the bleeding by cutting off the blood flow of the site and make it to the hospital.

This type of play may be crazy or perhaps very thrill seeking but I'm not going to judge if this person should be allowed to be on collarme. Whoever wants to be involved with this individual better start asking questions and be ready for first aide treatment.

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