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RE: A few Extra Pounds or More - 2/24/2008 1:01:59 PM   
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Just because I dont look like the cover girl on cosmo does not mean that I'm not sexy.~Lorelei


I just have to say , yaaaaaaaay Lorelei:)  Im a verrrrrry sexual creature and that doesnt change with the poundage, its firmly in my head, and it shows in many many ways. I didnt lose the ability to enjoy sex or fantasies and make them into reality once I hit a size 16(think I was 12 the last time I saw a size 14 so that doesnt count), my point is, my size has no impact on my desires and needs.
Just my clothing choices, which yes does bug the crap outta me , but it is getting better, slowly.
If you feel sexy, just be you:) thats more fascinating than what you feel you look like.
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RE: A few Extra Pounds or More - 2/24/2008 10:49:31 PM   
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As usual, ShaktiSama has said most of what I want to say with far more clarity than I would have said it. Thanks for saving me some time chica!

I will add to what she said that the western cultural ideal of beauty is relatively new, and is by no means shared by the rest of the world or even every subculture in the US.

I can't tell you how many times I have been approached by submissives (and even a few dominant men) who, after a little communication, eventually admit that they were afraid I'd never be interested in a big guy. This makes me sad. These guys take a look at my profile and see that I am tall and thin and assume they could not possibly measure up. I just. . .gah! I hate it so much and it happens to me all the time. I even put a specific note in my profile about it. I wish that nobody ever had to be insecure about talk. it's so sad that a lot of people automatically accept an inferior position on the sexiness scale for a reason that really doesn't matter to me.

I love that so many ladies, in this community(BDSM) especially, embrace their own sexuality. It was great to see this post. If more people got on board with rejecting the ridiculous body image ideal our culture provides then maybe we really can eventually change it. Don't just say it, please please please really believe it.

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RE: A few Extra Pounds or More - 2/24/2008 11:49:52 PM   
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i think the weight issue will haunt humanity for ever. Wether overweight or underweight will always effect the person who has it one way or another. (i know it effects me) What really worries me is the fact that it can effect our health more then anything and from what i've recently discovered with my ex Mistress it can have a bearing on me cause of Her ill health. Survival should be the utmost and take precedence in all of us. Keeping some reasonable control over our weight issue is part of our discipline. The most important one of all others. If W/were not in shape W/we will experience some complications. i do not and hate to think that W/we have to imitate and look like something that the media portraise us as "really cool"... That is absolutely ludicrous and crap!! And no one should be admired for there looks and that alone.. The person who does think like that is very short sighted and has low acceptability in my consideration. As individuals and unique human beings W/we should keep our unique way into how our body is formed as well.

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RE: A few Extra Pounds or More - 2/25/2008 12:13:03 AM   
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Warning ... this is a rant LOL!

One of the things that frustrates Myself and Master most is the familiar refrain "it's all about diet and exercise". Sorry, but We are living proof that it's not. For the past 2 years, under the care of dietitians, We have both been eating about half the general Australian adult recommended daily allowances of fats and carbohydrates. I lost a bit of weight at first, but now have remained frustratingly stable on a weight loss regime. Master has stayed stable throughout, as He has pretty much since His teens! We attribute that, in part, to the thyroid surgery for cyst removal He had when He was 10. We get moderate exercise, given issues with back injuries (from car accidents, not weight-related), knee injury (from playing cricket) and tendency to heel spurs. We are currently looking into getting an electric treadmill to allow Us to exercise more easily and regularly during Our wet season, but are frustrated by the inability to hire a machine capable of taking Our weight ... have to spend over $1500 buying one instead, and even that one won't take Master! Who do they design these damn things for? The skinny and trendy show-offs it seems! It doesn't seem unreasonable to Me that We want to find out first whether it works for Us, or whether it aggravates injuries, before outlaying that sort of dough.

What's often forgotten is the impact of Our genes, yes, those little bits of DNA We inherited. If only I'd inherited Dad's genes for metabolism ... a real meat and potatoes and don't put any of that orange or green crap on man, he ate lots of fried English meals like egg and chips, steak, egg and chips, egg, fried bread and chips, roasts dripping with fat, bread and dripping ... you get the idea! And he was skinny all his life, never even gained weight after he retired. Absolutely frustrating for Mum and all 3 kids, who all inherited her metabolic genes which are obviously very thrifty and believe in saving everything in case of famine! I remember only too well, when I was with my first hubby, when a Dr put me on a Very Low Calorie Diet of 600 kcal per day. I stuck to it religiously, and my hubby made sure of that (being a firm believer at that point that it was all about diet too! He recanted). I didn't cheat, not one morsel. I went back to the Dr ... and I had actually GAINED a couple of pounds. Accused of cheating, both myself and hubby hit the roof. As he says eloquently, the only thing I lost was my temper! I won't allow myself to be put back onto anything that restrictive again, because the worst part was that I ballooned even more afterwards.

Even more annoying in many ways, was when I needed venous surgery 20 years ago and was told the problem was weight related (so why was it only in my LEFT leg and not my right???) and was sent to an endocrinologist to hopefully lose a bit of weight prior to the surgery. He put me on a dietary regime, a bit odd as it involved eating a boiled egg every morning (oohh those fat grams!) ... and the weight fell off. It was bizarre, I felt it was totally beyond my control, I had no idea what I was doing that was so radically different, in some ways I was eating more than usual. I lost 6 stone (about 40kg) in 6 months ... and had the surgery. It was awesome ... I was down to Aust women's size 14-16, what should be an average womanly figure before everyone decided they wanted to look like prepubescent size 8-10 (those figures were intended to represent ages originally). It stayed off for a couple of years ... I stuck to the maintenance plan ... all seemed marvellous. Then it began to creep back on. Half a stone (about 3 kg) was enough to ring alarm bells ... I went back to the reducing plan ... no effect ... I stuck to it even more religiously than I had in the 6 months where I was losing ... I kept gaining. However it had "tricked" my metabolic genes the first time, they weren't having a bar of it this time around. The endocrinologist I'd seen had retired, I tried others ... no insights other than to eventually call it "adaptation" ... yeah well, I'd guessed that LOL! Slowly but surely I went back up ... to where I had originally been and then a bit beyond, as is apparently typical. Well, I still have some photos to prove I did once have a waistline LOL!

So, please don't thoughtlessly throw the "just diet and exercise" message at all and sundry. It's untrue and it's hurtful. If I could choose, if it was really that easy or straightforward ... do you think I would choose to make life harder for myself, getting diabetes etc, by being this size? NO! Though thank God, there's finally some decent clothes available. But very large people still have an extra hard time making it in this world. Too often the word "fat" is used with words like "lazy, stupid and ugly" ... and the correlation drawn isn't necessarily valid. Sure, there are some fat and lazy, fat and stupid people ... but there are also skinny and lazy and skinny and stupid people too! But they never get labelled as such, it's a real double standard! And honestly, we don't all sit around all day eating whole chickens, stuffing cream cakes into our mouths and eating 2 litres of icecream at a sitting! The media attention to binge eaters hasn't helped at all. Some of us eat less than skinny ones!

However, sometimes fat people make it more difficult for themselves, or allow the skinny world to totally control them. One final thing that makes My blood boil and that's all the ads for various weight loss programs that feature people, usually women, saying things like "now I am so much more confident" or "now my social calendar is full" etc. Confidence and social skills do not have to be linked with weight. They come from inside you, not outside. Being fat has only definitively stopped Me from doing one thing in My 51 years of life ... riding on a hire Waveski during a honeymoon in Bali. The operator was only too blunt - "No, you lady, you too fat". {The fact that the new hubby went on it anyway leaving Me feeling miserable on the shore should have been a big red flag! Yes, he's the ex}. It's stopped Master only once too, a seat weight limit for a helicopter joyride (which wasn't mentioned in all the glossy brochures, nor when I booked and mentioned We are big people). I've held high profile jobs. Both of Us are musos, We get up onstage, play, sing and shake the booty! And the audience enjoys it. Sure, Master probably finds it harder to get work being big, but potential employers aren't game to openly cite that as a reason. I refuse to be dictated to about who I can be because of what My body is.

And in terms of BDSM ... Master has a sexy slavegirl with lots to play with and i have a sexy Master with built-in buddha pillow ... and I know I am a sexy BBW Domme with built-in twin pillows waiting for a subby who will appreciate them! To quote one of My favourite Aussie women songwriters, Judy Small (who isn't!) ... Roly Poly People YEAH!

Maam Jay aka violet[A]

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RE: A few Extra Pounds or More - 2/25/2008 1:37:25 AM   
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This is more a response to Lady Hathor's request about my view of "the other side".I didn't want to run the risk of a topic whose heading would have beeb heaven....so here goes:First i believe in God and it's cool if some of you don't,i am only stating what i believe.However i have a ton of questions for this person.It pains me to see children starving on this earth,or dying from a disease we can't pronounce just as much as it pains me to see the elderly mistreated as they live out their final days,my parents among them.They say God is all loving..well at the risk of getting hit by lightning,then why are people across the globe suffering and why is there rampant killing and mass genocide all in the name of religion??And why on a more selfish note are two people(my parents)allowed to suffer to die when they lived clean lives??It is because of these questions and my faith being at a crossroads that i have a rather skewered sense of the after-life.Now if there is such a thing as hell and i might as well begin there,i would think that the person upstairs has a sense of humor too.Admittedly,i borrowed this from a Night Gallery episode but it makes sense.This young man dies but of course you don't know it and he is left in this room with two elderly people.Playing on a turntable is music from the 20's and 30's and after a brief how do you do,he gets up to change the record...and the record cover had a well known rock group on it so he pulls the album and begins to play it and lo and behold..its the same 20's and 30's music.And this is his hell..eternity with grandma and grandpa if you will and Al Jolson stuff to listen to....Yikes!!!Now heaven..well that is another story entirely and this my own.I want to think that no matter what i have done wrong in life(within reason)that the person upstairs is going throw an aem around me and say..good job chezzaroo,please follow this path.At the end of the path is a very long dining table and it is set with dishes and glasses and silverware and napkins.In the middle of the table sits large bowls filled with homemade pasta and salads and theres plenty of Italian bread and grated cheese(the good stuff not Kraft's)and Italian wedding soup and of course the vino.And sitting at each side of the table are all the deceased members of my mother's and father's sides of the family.And off in the distance is my Mom putting the coffe on and gathering up the Italian cookies for desert.She joins us as i finally reach my reserved seat and we all sit to enjoy a meal and each other's company.We tell stories and hug and kiss and cry again.Yes this is how i see the other side....it's beautiful is it not??

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RE: A few Extra Pounds or More - 2/25/2008 1:40:06 AM   
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i think i have to agree with the respectful and Dear Lady MaamJ. i feel exactly the same as i have cut down on all fats except my traditional extra virgin olive oil and bread which always comes with the mediterannean diet that i grew up and cannot go without. However my bitterness is pointed to my ex Mistress who is suffering from chronic pain and other issues which revolves around the weight problem and unfortunetly She decides to neglect the subject bringing worries firstly to Her family and secondly myself..

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RE: A few Extra Pounds or More - 2/25/2008 5:29:10 AM   
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As far as the other side goes. Read your bible people. It never mentions a heaven in there. By the way were are all the stick people. This post is to one sided.

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RE: A few Extra Pounds or More - 2/25/2008 8:59:08 AM   
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Since this is about a few pounds more, I wouldn't expect many responses from stick people.

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RE: A few Extra Pounds or More - 2/25/2008 9:40:47 AM   
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Mistress is plus sized and I hunger for Her like She is the last meal on earth!  She is beautiful, sexy, and gaining confidence every single day.  She's starting to realize that being sexy is for women of all sizes, not just the stick figures.  In fact, to me, women with meat on their bones are sexier than thinner women.  So I tell Mistress, "Have another slice of pizza or another piece of cake!"    She's beautiful and sexy to me, no matter what.

Squishy is sexy!!!

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RE: A few Extra Pounds or More - 2/25/2008 10:16:26 AM   
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When does a few pounds more start being a few pounds to much. I like a few more pounds on a woman but there is a limit.  

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RE: A few Extra Pounds or More - 2/25/2008 10:27:42 AM   
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When does a few pounds more start being a few pounds to much. I like a few more pounds on a woman but there is a limit.  


Ray? it is probably best to keep off of the weight threads...::) it is a no win situation
and btw? those pants do not make your ass look big

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RE: A few Extra Pounds or More - 2/25/2008 10:37:30 AM   
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One of the things that frustrates Myself and Master most is the familiar refrain "it's all about diet and exercise". Sorry, but We are living proof that it's not. For the past 2 years, under the care of dietitians, We have both been eating about half the general Australian adult recommended daily allowances of fats and carbohydrates. I lost a bit of weight at first, but now have remained frustratingly stable on a weight loss regime. Master has stayed stable throughout, as He has pretty much since His teens! We attribute that, in part, to the thyroid surgery for cyst removal He had when He was 10. We get moderate exercise, given issues with back injuries (from car accidents, not weight-related), knee injury (from playing cricket) and tendency to heel spurs. We are currently looking into getting an electric treadmill to allow Us to exercise more easily and regularly during Our wet season, but are frustrated by the inability to hire a machine capable of taking Our weight ...


If you haven't already, please do hop onto alt_fitness over on Yahoo groups where there is help, support and detailed instructions on a possibly effective course of action for your specific situation that neither of you may have considered yet.  A question to that list should spark some good answers, and there's a lot of resources in the links and files areas.

The short version of what is very often the only effective and non drug or surgery related method for seriously refractory metabolisms with physical limitations is to drop the emphasis on cardio and stop severely restricting your calories, and instead focus on resistance exercise (weight training with dumbells), shorter sessions of light to moderate cardio, and a "normal" balanced diet of unprocessed foods fairly high in protein in 4-6 small meals over the course of the day.  There are dietary supplements that can help also, especially with thyroid issues, but they're secondary to the basic principles of resetting your "starvation/conservation" metabolism by eating at a normal caloric level spread out at regular intervals and gaining lean body mass as a further aid to fat burning.

The truth is that diet and exercise *does* generally work, but there is no one size fits all diet, and extreme caloric restriction plus cardio simply isn't a plan that works effectively for everyone or in the long term for anyone.  Not everyone can do all kinds of exercise, and some are simply better than others for different people or different situations.  It's kind of like drugs  - the same prescription is not going to work for everybody, and there are some prescriptions that are more effective than others. 

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RE: A few Extra Pounds or More - 2/25/2008 10:47:09 AM   
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Absolutely frustrating for Mum and all 3 kids, who all inherited her metabolic genes which are obviously very thrifty and believe in saving everything in case of famine! I remember only too well, when I was with my first hubby, when a Dr put me on a Very Low Calorie Diet of 600 kcal per day. I stuck to it religiously, and my hubby made sure of that (being a firm believer at that point that it was all about diet too! He recanted). I didn't cheat, not one morsel. I went back to the Dr ... and I had actually GAINED a couple of pounds. Accused of cheating, both myself and hubby hit the roof. As he says eloquently, the only thing I lost was my temper! I won't allow myself to be put back onto anything that restrictive again, because the worst part was that I ballooned even more afterwards.


Absolutely none of that surprises me.  VLCD's (very low calorie diets) don't work for most people most of the time, and because they tend to destroy lean body mass, you end up with a slower metabolism and are less fit than you started at the end of it, even if you did lose any weight, so that weight will invariably come boomeranging back on and bringing a few more pounds with it. 

Lean body mass is the key.  If you eat to nourish your lean body mass and do exercises (weight lifting or resistance bands) to increase your lean body mass, then you will lose fat and gain lean body mass, which ends up being a significant net loss of weight.  4-6 small healthy meals a day with a nice bit of protein, some slow-burning minimally processed carbs and a little healthy fat works much, much better than a deprivation diet.   You should be eating between 8 to 12 calories per day per lb of body weight at a minimum; much below that and you're going to kick in the "starvation conservation" metabolic response.  Oh, and lifting weights to signal your lean body mass that it's needed and it can't be eaten up by your body instead of burning fat.  Shame on your doctor for not doing the research. 

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RE: A few Extra Pounds or More - 2/25/2008 7:14:51 PM   
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Thank You NajakCharmer for that advice. Other than the weight training, the meal plan You suggest sounds fairly similar to what DID work that one time, but which failed to work thereafter. However, I hadn't considered that after all these years, it might be worth another try, working on the principle that I have probably re-set My metabolism to starvation/conservation mode by now. I'll take Myself off to do some research on simple and safe weight training or resistance exercises to begin with. I have kept up having some protein at every meal, but with the dietitians' insistence on dropping to low levels of fats and carbs, I've fallen back to 3 meals a day as there's not much room in the diet to eat more often! I will be seeing the dietitian soon and I know he was starting to despair last time (and was contemplating meal replacements which just brought back all those awful memories of the VLCD ... I will NOT go there again) ... it will be much better if I can go with a positive alternative. Thank You SO much for wading through My rant (the post just kinda touched on a raw nerve at the time!) and coming up with some of the most helpful advice I've had in years!

Maam Jay aka violet[A]

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RE: A few Extra Pounds or More - 2/25/2008 7:32:24 PM   
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with the dietitians' insistence on dropping to low levels of fats and carbs, I've fallen back to 3 meals a day as there's not much room in the diet to eat more often! I will be seeing the dietitian soon and I know he was starting to despair last time (and was contemplating meal replacements which just brought back all those awful memories of the VLCD ... I will NOT go there again)


Your nutritionist is a duuh and needs to be fired.  No Internet group or self proclaimed guru is an appropriate replacement for medical diagnosis and treatment, BUT you need to be getting your medical advice from a source that isn't a decade out of date.  VLCD's don't work for most people under most circumstances, and the data is definitely in on them now.  The data is also in on a few things that do work (like increasing your lean body mass to burn fat and tweaking your meal timing and maintenance calorie intake to turn off the starvation response, and your dude apparently doesn't know about any of them.  Fire his sorry ass and hire someone who actually keeps up on the current research.  

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RE: A few Extra Pounds or More - 2/25/2008 7:36:48 PM   
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I would if I could but he's the only one in this smallish country town ... maybe I'll have to make it My crusade to educate him! I've applied to join the group ... please let Me in

Maam Jay aka violet[A]

PS to remain qualified for all the other benefits that aid in My management of diabetes II (eg cheap testing equipment, free annual podiatry etc), I need to continue to see a dietitian ... but no one says I have to follow his advice!

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RE: A few Extra Pounds or More - 2/25/2008 9:23:22 PM   
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When i first came to Virginia,i went on a salad and meat diet and veggies.I lost about 25 pounds but every two weeks or so,i ate my kind of meal..pasta with sauce or pasta with oil and garlic.I made meatballs as well and found the best Italian sausage i could and enjoyed myself for two days.So now i don't deprive myself anymore..if i want pasta..i eat pasta..the trick is to eat it without bread..the bread is a killer.And i do love my salad.I make a pan-fried chicken and greens salad to die for.

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RE: A few Extra Pounds or More - 2/25/2008 9:33:57 PM   
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I'm not attracted to people who are overweight and don't want to see them naked or in revealing clothing. I've been athletic all of my life, and I am biased towards people of a similar proportion. I've made peace with the fact that it will take me a long time to find a mistress.

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RE: A few Extra Pounds or More - 2/26/2008 3:53:38 AM   
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misunderstood..perhaps your name should be shallowhal.I am "one of those people" and i am offended quite frankly.Was i always this way??No..in fact at one time i was a very svelte 151 pounds..and now 30 years later...i am almost 100 pounds over that.I want to lose weight because i am diabetic,not because to make myself into an Addonis.I am 55..i want to enjoy what's left of the rest of my life and if that means i get down to 215 with a lil paunch or hover around the 230 mark..so be it.

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RE: A few Extra Pounds or More - 2/26/2008 6:10:51 AM   
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ORIGINAL: Dnomyar

When does a few pounds more start being a few pounds to much. I like a few more pounds on a woman but there is a limit.  


Ray? it is probably best to keep off of the weight threads...::) it is a no win situation
and btw? those pants do not make your ass look big

Jeff


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